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I would humbly discourage people from pursuing a blend of Catholic prayer with meditation methods from the East. Forgive me, but for reasons I won’t go into here, there’s far too many red flags that go up for me. Furthermore, I find arguments with regard to the “ancientness” of some forms of modern “Catholic” meditation to be rather spurious. I’m not an expect, but those are my opinions.

I would recommend this book: amazon.com/Mental-Prayer-Vitalis-Lehodey-O-C-R/dp/0895551780/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1462147803&sr=1-1&keywords=ways+of+mental+prayer.
“Mental Prayer.” is a term St Teresa of Avila used, but its used in all forms of prayer, both verbal active prayer and quiet interior prayer.

Essentially. its praying with the awareness of being in God’s presence.

But the topic of this thread is about meditation, or, “Contemplative Prayer,” as we call it today.

Jim
 
But the topic of this thread is about meditation, or, “Contemplative Prayer,” as we call it today.
The book I linked to, I’m fairly sure, discusses all of St. Teresa’s nine grades of prayer. 🙂
 
The book I linked to, I’m fairly sure, discusses all of St. Teresa’s nine grades of prayer. 🙂
Nine grades of prayer ?

First time I’ve heard that term used.

My wife and myself are Discalced Carmeltites, Secular, OCDS and have studied St Teresa’s works along with St John of the Cross.

Personally, I prefer St John, he’s easier to read.

Jim
 
Sure! Maybe some older forms of spiritual theology are being ignored these days in favor of “even older” forms of meditation? 😛

ocarm.org/en/content/ocarm/st-teresas-teaching-grades-prayer

catholic-church.org/grace/growing/9grades/9grades.htm

amazon.com/Spiritual-Theology-Stagbooks-Jordan-Aumann/dp/0722085184
OK, I know of St Teresa’s teachings on the levels of prayer, but the number 9, is a term others came up with.

“The Interior Castle.” St Teresa describes seven different mansions the soul moves through as she moves toward total union with Christ.

I liked the Interior Castle much better than “The Way of Perfection.”

My favorite however is The Living Flame of Love, by St John of the Cross.

The “Center,” is used by St John several times, explaining that the deepest part of the soul is its center, and it is at the center where God dwells.

This poem with St John’s commentary is what touched me most in my years in the Discalced Carmelites.

Jim
 
OK, I know of St Teresa’s teachings on the levels of prayer, but the number 9, is a term others came up with.
I thought it might just be a terminology thing. 🙂

… in fact, there is a part of me that suspects that a lot of confusion on this topic might be “a terminology thing.” But I’m more of a Lou Costello than a St. Teresa of Avila, and I’ll have to wait a few years before I can comment adequately.
 
I thought it might just be a terminology thing. 🙂

… in fact, there is a part of me that suspects that a lot of confusion on this topic might be “a terminology thing.” But I’m more of a Lou Costello than a St. Teresa of Avila, and I’ll have to wait a few years before I can comment adequately.
Well, I was surprised that after all my reading of St Teresa and St John of the Cross, two years ago I came to learn that neither of them used the term, “contemplation.” The word didn’t come about until centuries later.

Jim
 
OK, I know of St Teresa’s teachings on the levels of prayer, but the number 9, is a term others came up with.

“The Interior Castle.” St Teresa describes seven different mansions the soul moves through as she moves toward total union with Christ.

I liked the Interior Castle much better than “The Way of Perfection.”

My favorite however is The Living Flame of Love, by St John of the Cross.

The “Center,” is used by St John several times, explaining that the deepest part of the soul is its center, and it is at the center where God dwells.

This poem with St John’s commentary is what touched me most in my years in the Discalced Carmelites.

Jim
I think what scares people is that Carl Jung discovered the same thing, but wrote about it in psychological terms. People are afraid of Jung’s ideas because he also studied Alchemy and his ideas have been used by New Age groups.

The Truth he discovered, though, that at the very center of the Human Soul is the very stamp of God’s nature. When we look at the deepest part within, we find Him, as He intended us to do.
 
Is there a process to this or an app/website that offers guided meditations?
I second the vote for Ways of Mental Prayer by Vital Lehodey. It’s a thorough and systematic presentation drawing on the saints.
 
Immerse yourself in huge chunks of Scriptures for years on end with their traditional meanings as given by Christ and the Apostles, preferably in company.

Vast chunks of the wisdom literature in the Bible reiterate the value of dwelling on the treasure in God’s calling.

The word “meditate” means consider, neither less nor more.

Some friends of mine advised, after listening to Scripture and catechesis for about an hour, sitting comfortably but simply, with eyes shut thinking “Lord Jesus Christ Son of David have mercy on me a sinner” for up to 15 minutes (the whole thing in company). What gives it the value is the Scripture and reliable catechesis.

It’s vital you and all of us get quality of catechesis and in very substantial amounts.

I meditate in effect when I am doing all sorts of things because I work to keep my mind on all sorts of real things.

People who say “forget about your concerns” are profoundly anti-Christian.

Buddhists had to react to an old system much of the assumptions of which they retained. Anyone who is cunningly out to build a following is projecting a “sanitised” version. In the Orient they can’t cope with trauma so they freeze (zone out) rather than face with serenity.

A statement of some part of truth may have been made by a person of whatever religion. But their method doesn’t and mustn’t bind us.

Christ calls us to act extra normal and extra concrete, extra down to earth and extra feet on the ground.
 
Vic. I hope you don’t mind me correcting you on one misunderstanding of Easten meditation. You talk about the Eastern tradition ‘zoning out’ rather than facing suffering with serenity. The Eastern tradition is very much about facing suffering with serenity. Rather than trying to escape suffering, the meditator sits with suffering, learning to feel it fully and accept it. An extreme case is meditation in the charnel grounds - where carrion would eat corpses (in parts of the country where burial and cremation were difficult). The meditator faces his or her own mortality face on - thee is no escape from the knowledge that this life is impermanent.

And that is one of the clinical benefits of mindfulness meditation - people learn to sit with their emotional and physical discomfort. They explore it and learn to accept it. Mindfulness does not reduce pain or change circumstances of life, but good quality clinical evidence shows that people, through learning not to run from it, become less distressed by pain or the circumstances of their life. An example anyone can try is the next time you experience pain, rather than immediately seek to avoid it, sit with it and explore it - take the mind fully to the site of the pain and for 5 minutes fully concentrate on exploring the pain - is it absolutely constant? Where is the pain exactly? What is the response elsewhere in the body (e.g. breathing shallower? Muscles tighter?). Then trying ‘breathing loving kindness’ into the site of the pain and look to soften the reaction to the pain. Can you slow and deepen your breathing, can you relax the muscles you are now aware are tightening as a response? Can you, in short, learn to be fully with that pain? At the end of the 5 minutes you may find that after being so fully (mindful) with the pain it is actually less distressing than it was when your first response was avoidence.

On another note, like the desert fathers, all meditators know what it is like to face their ‘demons’ (compulsive thoughts) head on. The idea of meditation being an easy escape from reality is soon rejected as soon as anyone starts on a serious course of meditation. There is no escape - the meditator faces reality, and their own nature, very directly, and through that better understands the cause of suffering (often by learning clearly about their own compulsive attachments and aversions - lust, greed and anger). The meditator observes their own thoughts coming and going, and so deepens their own knowledge of their thought patterns (not always a comfortable thing!). The meditator learns that they control little in life, and that serenity cannot be achieved by trying to match the world to their own wishes, but rather they must learn to see the world as it is, accept the world (and other people) as it is, and have compassion and loving kindness for the world (and other people) as it is.

All of the above transcends religious and faith boundaries. The meditator is simply learning to sit and face reality as it is, to get a fuller experience of their own reality. Buddhists can do that, Christians can do that. Muslims, Jews and atheists can do that.

Michael
 
This sure has been an interesting thread. Thank you to all those who have posted, you have provided a lot of food for thought.

For those interested, I have decided to start with the Lectio Divina. Seems like a good place to me and who knows where this will lead me.

God bless.
 
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