Catholic Mega-Churches

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Apparently, some US dioceses have successfully implemented the mega-church concept.
Anyone have experience with this worship-model within a Catholic context?

Are these types of high-tech Catholic Worship Communities on the right track?

Are there tangible benefits for the diocese, the clergy, the faithful?

Is there a downside?

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Maggie.

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Maggie, our parish is the second largest (congregation-wise) in the U.S. with over 25,000 parishioners. It’s a “mega-church” by necessity as no parishes have been built (yet) in the vicinity that would absorb some of those attending; the diocese is growing with many transplants from the Northeast as well as from the West (such as my family), so I don’t foresee the consolidation of parishes here because of loss of members. The diocese owns land for a future parish within the present parish boundaries.

Our parish, however, has embraced much of what is associated with mega-churches and that is a mixed-bag, indeed. We have many, many programs/ministries which offer something of interest for anyone wanting to get more involved in parish life, but the liturgy tends towards a-less-than-optimal expression; large video screens supplementing the seasonal felt banners, all accompanied by the too-usual lack of worthy music. Did I put that nicely enough? 😉
 
Maggie, our parish is the second largest (congregation-wise) in the U.S. with over 25,000 parishioners. It’s a “mega-church” by necessity as no parishes have been built (yet) in the vicinity that would absorb some of those attending; the diocese is growing with many transplants from the Northeast as well as from the West (such as my family), so I don’t foresee the consolidation of parishes here because of loss of members. The diocese owns land for a future parish within the present parish boundaries.

Our parish, however, has embraced much of what is associated with mega-churches and that is a mixed-bag, indeed. We have many, many programs/ministries which offer something of interest for anyone wanting to get more involved in parish life, but the liturgy tends towards a-less-than-optimal expression; large video screens supplementing the seasonal felt banners, all accompanied by the too-usual lack of worthy music. Did I put that nicely enough? 😉
My home diocese is Charlotte. Its members are the most active and devout that I have met in the various stateside parishes to which I have belonged throughout my life.
I prefer smaller parishes and the intimacy that can develop between members. The larger parishes often offer programs not available in the smaller churches. While my home parish is small, I often attended programs in the nearby larger churches.

Currently I work in a country with only one Catholic church. There are over 40,000 registered parishioners. There are 15 Obligation Masses offered over the weekend in 8 different languages. Confession is offered 1/2 hour before every Mass. Those attending overflow into the courtyard. Yes, there are screens providing the readings and prayers to help everybody participate more fully. Novenas are offered on a regular basis, including Our Lady of Perpetual Help every Wednesday and St. Anthony every Tuesday. There is a small Adoration Chapel. Active groups include Couples for Christ and the Legion of Mary. There is a monthly Enrichment program and weekly Bible study. There are a abundance of volunteers for the various ministries within the Church.

The success of a parish, and the programs offered regardless of size is more often than not the result of its leadership. This includes both the pastor and laity.
Programs do take time to develop. The larger churches in the diocese of Charlotte tend to be newer churches. One of the parishes in my home town just rebuilt its church to accommodate the increase in its membership.

FCGCM–Have you been able to attend the annual Eucharistic Congress offered by the diocese? Go, if you get a chance.

Need to go. I am on the roster to read this morning, the first time in this parish.
 
I grew up in a very large parish. May be not as large as some of the one’s referenced, but with a couple of thousand families. We had a lot of programs that benefited a lot of people/families. Looking back, it was a parish that was very V2, but did work very hard to be faithful.

I think that if the priest/vicar is faithful and orthodox, and the parish follows as such, that a “mega-church” could be very helpful. As a pp mentioned, larger parishes are often able to offer more programs because they have a better attendance level.
 
Is there a downside? Depends on the ratio of priests to parishioners. If the purpose of a mega-church is to have 1-2 priest run a parish with a large number of parishioners, then its a bad idea. Sometimes its just a necessity to have a mega-church in a densely populated area, as long as there are enough priests then its fine.
 
“The church is a good neighbor to its residential community,” Holz says. “The materials and familiar forms are respectful to the design aesthetic of the neighborhood.” While the size of the church is a very big statement on the landscape, the landmark structure uses materials that suggest permanence. “It is truly a call to worship for the entire city of Fond Du Lac,” Holz says.
Read more: blog.beliefnet.com/deaconsbench/2008/09/A-Catholic-megachurch.html#ixzz19nqfhbW9

I find this statement very interesting. how far do they go to please people without any concern how God feels about all this.
 
My home diocese is Charlotte. Its members are the most active and devout that I have met in the various stateside parishes to which I have belonged throughout my life.
I prefer smaller parishes and the intimacy that can develop between members. The larger parishes often offer programs not available in the smaller churches. While my home parish is small, I often attended programs in the nearby larger churches.

Currently I work in a country with only one Catholic church. There are over 40,000 registered parishioners. There are 15 Obligation Masses offered over the weekend in 8 different languages. Confession is offered 1/2 hour before every Mass. Those attending overflow into the courtyard. Yes, there are screens providing the readings and prayers to help everybody participate more fully. Novenas are offered on a regular basis, including Our Lady of Perpetual Help every Wednesday and St. Anthony every Tuesday. There is a small Adoration Chapel. Active groups include Couples for Christ and the Legion of Mary. There is a monthly Enrichment program and weekly Bible study. There are a abundance of volunteers for the various ministries within the Church.

The success of a parish, and the programs offered regardless of size is more often than not the result of its leadership. This includes both the pastor and laity.
Programs do take time to develop. The larger churches in the diocese of Charlotte tend to be newer churches. One of the parishes in my home town just rebuilt its church to accommodate the increase in its membership.

FCGCM–Have you been able to attend the annual Eucharistic Congress offered by the diocese? Go, if you get a chance.

Need to go. I am on the roster to read this morning, the first time in this parish.
Deb, yes I’ve attended the Eucharistic Congress here for the past three years; it’s a wonderful experience and especially moving to see the thousands processing with our Eucharistic Lord through uptown Charlotte. Charlotte is definitely a very “happening” place for Catholics! 🙂
 
Is there a downside? Depends on the ratio of priests to parishioners. If the purpose of a mega-church is to have 1-2 priest run a parish with a large number of parishioners, then its a bad idea. Sometimes its just a necessity to have a mega-church in a densely populated area, as long as there are enough priests then its fine.
Don’t want to wear out the priests.
My WI parish had over a 1,000 families. The pastor had an amazing memory for names. He would become embarrassed when he didn’t remember. While he did have an assistant for a short period of time, most of the time he was the only priest. Finally he was given a deacon to help.
 
Are there tangible benefits for the diocese, the clergy, the faithful?
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Benefits:

Priest can leave together
Priest can provide opportunity for confession all the time on weekend
Priests can chosen to ministries according to their qualities

I grew up in a parish with 14 priests (for some 18 thousand parishioners), and attend Masses now in a parish where there is two resident and a visiting priest for 350 families. The number of the priests is more important than the priest/family ration.

Almost certainly the future will be mega Churches for the densely populated areas, even for the suburbs. The present 2-3 mile radius for a parish will be extended to 8-12 mile radius.

The downside is the call for the dying will be served poorly, especially for the rural areas.

Also the personal relationship between some faithful and the priest will loosen, but even now this is involving may be 10% of the faithful. The priests will have each other in better level than now; the lonely laity will suffer. This problem could be helped by permanent deacons and even deaconesses. if the Church decides so.
 
I love telling Evangelicals that I belong to a “Mega Church.” It’s always a provocative statement and I love the puzzled look as they try to figure out what church it could possibly be as I tell them that my Mega Church has 70 million members in the US alone.

I"ve been told that St. Catherine of Siena in Kennesaw Ga is 56th biggest in the world. The biggest challenge I face is getting quality time with a priest. It’s like seeing a doctor these days… you barely sit down and start to open up before he stands up to shake your hand, thank you for stopping by and show you to the door for his next appointment.
Do you think God is concerned about building architecture?
I’m thinking that he does…

The Dwelling itself you shall make out of sheets woven of fine linen twined and of violet, purple and scarlet yarn, with cherubim embroidered on them. The length of each shall be twenty-eight cubits, and the width four cubits; all the sheets shall be…

For the entrance of the tent make a variegated curtain of violet, purple and scarlet yarn and of fine linen twined. Make five columns of acacia wood for this curtain; have them plated with gold, with their hooks of gold; and cast five bronze pedestals for them…

Etc.

-Tim-
 
I love telling Evangelicals that I belong to a “Mega Church.” It’s always a provocative statement and I love the puzzled look as they try to figure out what church it could possibly be as I tell them that my Mega Church has 70 million members in the US alone.

I"ve been told that St. Catherine of Siena in Kennesaw Ga is 56th biggest in the world. The biggest challenge I face is getting quality time with a priest. It’s like seeing a doctor these days… you barely sit down and start to open up before he stands up to shake your hand, thank you for stopping by and show you to the door for his next appointment.

I’m thinking that he does…

The Dwelling itself you shall make out of sheets woven of fine linen twined and of violet, purple and scarlet yarn, with cherubim embroidered on them. The length of each shall be twenty-eight cubits, and the width four cubits; all the sheets shall be…

For the entrance of the tent make a variegated curtain of violet, purple and scarlet yarn and of fine linen twined. Make five columns of acacia wood for this curtain; have them plated with gold, with their hooks of gold; and cast five bronze pedestals for them…

Etc.

-Tim-
Are we the temples of the Holy Spirit?
Jesus didn’t exactly leave blueprints to the Apostles the way the Israelites were instructed on how to make the temple. If Jesus preferred a certain way a church is made, why did he made no mention to the Apostles?
 
You also have to remember that the Catholic Church invented the concept of the “megachurch”. When Hagia Sophia was built in the 500s in Constantinople, it could hold something like 20,000 worshipers. Later, medieval cathedrals would be built to an enormous scale as well.
 

I grew up in a parish with 14 priests (for some 18 thousand parishioners), and attend Masses now in a parish where there is two resident and a visiting priest for 350 families. The number of the priests is more important than the priest/family ration.

Almost certainly the future will be mega Churches for the densely populated areas, even for the suburbs. The present 2-3 mile radius for a parish will be extended to 8-12 mile radius.

The downside is the call for the dying will be served poorly, especially for** the rural areas.
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Also the personal relationship between some faithful and the priest will loosen, but even now this is involving may be 10% of the faithful. The priests will have each other in better level than now; the lonely laity will suffer. This problem could be helped by permanent deacons and even deaconesses. if the Church decides so.
WI is mostly rural. I lived in a rather large town of 7,000. The next Catholic church was 15 miles away and the diocesan cathedral was 25 miles away.
My thoughts had been comparing the number of priests in rural areas with the number of doctors. It is in the rural areas that you find the greatest shortage of both.
There also tended to be fewer laity willing or able to volunteer their time for the various ministries. I read or acted as EMCH almost every weekend.
The parish priest did talk about small community groups that meet in homes to discuss faith matters. This is one of the things that large churches do to minimize the isolation and lack of intimacy that can be found in smaller churches.
I love telling Evangelicals that I belong to a “Mega Church.” It’s always a provocative statement and I love the puzzled look as they try to figure out what church it could possibly be as I tell them that my Mega Church has 70 million members in the US alone.

I"ve been told that St. Catherine of Siena in Kennesaw Ga is 56th biggest in the world. The biggest challenge I face is getting quality time with a priest. It’s like seeing a doctor these days… you barely sit down and start to open up before he stands up to shake your hand, thank you for stopping by and show you to the door for his next appointment.

I’m thinking that he does…

The Dwelling itself you shall make out of sheets woven of fine linen twined and of violet, purple and scarlet yarn, with cherubim embroidered on them. The length of each shall be twenty-eight cubits, and the width four cubits; all the sheets shall be…

For the entrance of the tent make a variegated curtain of violet, purple and scarlet yarn and of fine linen twined. Make five columns of acacia wood for this curtain; have them plated with gold, with their hooks of gold; and cast five bronze pedestals for them…

Etc.

-Tim-
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Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand persons were added that day. [Acts 3:41]
The early Church was a megachurch with only 12 “priests” to serve everybody.
Its also the manifestation of the talents of a man, and interpreted by the taste of another
The Church is the people of God. We are the Body of Christ, temples of the Holy Spirit.
The talents of man are given to him by God. They can be used to glorify Him.
By analogy from those who teach dress for success, our clothing reflects our inward disposition. If we feel good about ourselves we will dress according. We will not be sloppy even if our clothing is not “haute couture.” Our posture likewise reflects our attitude.
I was watching a story on either Euronews or Aljazeera about a man in Italy who has been building a church for the last 50 years. It is about half completed and made from mostly leftover/scrap materials. He does have one helper. There is concern that this man’s uncompleted labor of love will be destroyed after he dies.

My small church in NC is the mother church for the other churches in the city. It is over 100 years old. An individual paid to build one of the churches in 1956. Before I moved to the city, the diocese asked the Marian priests to take over, to “rebuild” the disinterested parish. It is now back in diocesan hands. While the church is beautiful architecturally, it is not the church where I am most comfortable praying. I prefer the organic feel of wood of my church to the marble of the larger church. More people were involved in raising the funds for the new church in a nearby parish giving them greater ownership. This new larger church replaces one built in the 1970s that simply could not hold everybody. All three churches/parishes are within a few miles of one another. The city also has two other churches. One is a small church run by the Vincentians in the “poor” part of town, close to my downtown parish and another large parish on the western outskirts of town. The city could definitely use a church to the northeast.
There is a fairly new “megachurch” about 10 miles from where my daughter lives. It is the closest Catholic church. The crucifix is suspended in such a way that when you walk in, it does not appear at an angle. This same architect responsible for this church was chosen for the new church in my city. I still need to see final construction.
 
Don’t want to wear out the priests.
My WI parish had over a 1,000 families. The pastor had an amazing memory for names. He would become embarrassed when he didn’t remember. While he did have an assistant for a short period of time, most of the time he was the only priest. Finally he was given a deacon to help.
**Our Parish has 8,500 members and two priests and 3 deacons…there is a lot going on and Masses are always standing room only…get there early…no TV screens and Father moans about the sky light…it leaks when it rains.

stormy**
 
Apparently, some US dioceses have successfully implemented the mega-church concept.
I guess it depends on what exactly is meant by the mega-church concept. Weren’t cathedrals and such in populous locations since the Middle Ages set up to be such mega-churches? Isn’t the new LA Cathedral, for example, set up to worship amongst with faiths?

That said, I heard a report that the Crystal Cathedral in California, which always attracted millions of TV viewers as well as actual churchgoers, went bankrupt. I hope the Catholic churches don’t go this route.
 
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