Catholic Miracles in the East

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We hear about many Orthodox miracles in the east and many Catholic miracles in the West. But are there any Catholic miracles in the east. I would think that God would allow the true church to trump the false church, the way Moses and Aaron trumped Pharoahs priests.

Please do not say something like ‘Catholic and Orthodox are equally good.’ I have heard too much of this already. This cannot be the church tradition and does not agree with the Bible. Only one church can be right.
 
I want to comment but I’m not sure just how much sarcasm to use.
 
nightrider009,

You are already starting on the wrong foot on this thread, and so this thread, like several others that have popped up in this Eastern Catholic sub-forum over the years, will just end up being a polemical Catholic vs. Orthodox mudslinging deathmatch.

Oy vey 😦

Rony
 
But are there any Catholic miracles in the east.
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Well… to answer the topic question of this thread… yes, there are.

One example of an Eastern Catholic miracle would be the miracles associated with the holy Maronite saint of Lebanon, Mor Charbel.

Some info: charbel.org/saint/charbel/miracles/

God bless,

Rony
 
nightrider009 said:
We hear about many Orthodox miracles in the east and many Catholic miracles in the West. But are there any Catholic miracles in the east. I would think that God would allow the true church to trump the false church, the way Moses and Aaron trumped Pharoahs priests.

Please do not say something like ‘Catholic and Orthodox are equally good.’ I have heard too much of this already. This cannot be the church tradition and does not agree with the Bible. Only one church can be right.
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There are eastern Catholic miracles. One for example is how St. Sharbel (Maronite, born 1828) body was perfectly preserved after death. Thousands of miracles have been associated with him since his death. He was canonized in 1977.

Another Maronite was canonized as Saint in 2000, Saint Rafka (or Rafqa) (born, 1832). Many miracles are attributed to her intercession.
 
Miracles happen every day, and all around us, east, west, north and south.

The main issue is, IMH, not where they happen, but are they approved by The Church. It is not up to us to proclaim them valid or not. The recipe to be a good Christian is to do Gods will, and listen to The Church. And with so many false apparations it is a hard task, and far from our skill.

Here is no need for sarcasm or sneer comments. I think this is a good question who indeed are worth a answer. However, I don’t have one, so I would be gratefull if someone knowing more then me, would give a good and thorough one.
 
Lasting_faith said:
Here is no need for sarcasm or sneer comments. I think this is a good question who indeed are worth a answer. However, I don’t have one, so I would be gratefull if someone knowing more then me, would give a good and thorough one.
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It is a great question, just phrased in the most offensive way possible. As fairwinds said, an “our miracles are better than your miracles” kind of thing.

At any rate, the greatest miracle of all occurred in the East - the death and resurrection of Christ, nothing else anywhere at any time comes close. So if anyone is really interested in determining the veracity of the True Faith through miracles I suggest spending time proving that one uniquely belongs to one church.
 
Lasting_faith said:
Miracles happen every day, and all around us, east, west, north and south.

The main issue is, IMH, not where they happen, but are they approved by The Church. It is not up to us to proclaim them valid or not. The recipe to be a good Christian is to do Gods will, and listen to The Church. And with so many false apparations it is a hard task, and far from our skill.

Here is no need for sarcasm or sneer comments. I think this is a good question who indeed are worth a answer. However, I don’t have one, so I would be gratefull if someone knowing more then me, would give a good and thorough one.
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what we don’t need are argumentative questions like the OP’s. this division between orthodox catholics is reason for great sadness, not an opportunity for cheer leading the franchise. our Orthodox friends might explain how they approve miracles, but don’t start adding them up like an olympic scorecard.

Might as well be frank, monsieur. It would take a miracle to get you out of Casablanca, and the Germans have outlawed miracles. - Senor Ferrari
 
smad0142 said:
onthewaytoithaca.wordpress.com/2010/10/19/the-holy-light-of-jerusalem-debunked/#contents02

I would like to hear your comments on this man’s critique Constantine because I have yet to know anybody, either personally or virtually, who believes in the Holy Light Phenomenon in Jerusalem. Thanks dear brother!!
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To be honest, I myself am not a big fan of miracles, especially trying to wave miracles in front of other people to prove your Church or denomination is the true one. I mean, Jesus raised Lazarus in front of many people and what happened after it? They plotted to kill both of them.

Last year my daughter was born and there was some complications in the delivery. At the end of it everything was fine and mom and baby were safe. I prayed the whole time and wondered if there was a miracle or not. At first I wanted to pursue it, ask questions, and make sure that the circumstances point to some divine intervention. But not soon after I realized, what is the point? Do I not have enough faith in God that whatever happened is by His will? Why do we think that God only works through ways that is beyond science or outside of the normal rules of the material world? God created the universe and made all the rules of it, why does He have to keep bending and breaking those rules just to prove He exists? I have an analogy in my work as an IT professional. I used to be a system administrator for our business systems. Some people come to me to do something they can’t do, because they know I have the ability to bypass the system rules or to modify data where the UI doesn’t allow them. Think of that as prayer. But I come back to them and say, we set up these rules precisely so that everyone will follow them, because this is the good order and there is a good reason for those rules. I can intervene in an extraordinary way when it is absolutely necessary, but not when everyone just asks me to do so. I believe God is that same way. If breaking the rules would glorify Him, He would. But he’s not going to break the rules just because. It should be for the good of all and for His glory.

So I’m not going to read into that article and speculate on matters that is beyond me. If I get to spend Pascha in Jerusalem, I will go to the Holy Sepulcher. What good does it contribute to my faith to try to prove and disprove the Holy Fire? I would believe in God regardless, I believe in Jesus Christ and the Resurrection regardless. So why waste my time? As fairwinds has beautifully put it, all these is just becoming a cheerleading for each one’s own franchise. What does that serve us or how does that glorify God?
 
Thanks for the response. It is good to be back on here and still see you here.
 
I know that the Oriental Orthodox receive the Fire from the Holy Sepulchre, but do the Eastern/Latin Catholics receive it as well?
 
There are many miracles on the behalf of St.Mary in South India, as well as miracles from Syro Malabar Saints/Blesseds/etc. An important one being St.Alphonsa healing the club-foot of a child.
 
I appreciate your replies guys. Particularly those who spoke about the miracles in India and Lebanon.

I would especially like to know: does anyone know of Catholic miracles done in Egypt or Israel.
 
Eastern catholic miracles have always been there and you can find history of them over the internet. Saint Rafka (or Rafqa) (born, 1832). and St. Sharbel (Maronite, born 1828) are some of the famous examples.
 
Pray tell…what makes a miracle “Catholic”? I didn’t know that God had Catholic and non Catholic miracles.
 
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