Catholic mom abandoned family - mental illness

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@Xantippe - agree on all of your points. Very, very well stated.

I guess, somewhere, it seems to me that there’s a widow with children out there with corresponding and complementary needs.

And, so as not to be dismissive of others’ perspectives regarding the annulment process, I agree that would be a necessary first step
 
And, so as not to be dismissive of others’ perspectives regarding the annulment process, I agree that would be a necessary first step
Right.

If you want a practicing Catholic wife, she’s not going to marry you outside of the Church and she probably won’t even have a cup of coffee with you, knowing you don’t have an annulment.
 
Step mom not best “tool”.

The best tool would have been your wife in a functional position. That tool is no longer available. You are trying to replace it with a tool that 1) you don’t have access to and 2) is outside of your price point 3) likely would not do the job you are hoping that it would do, or would do it at the expense of some of the rest of your 'project".

but these are people, not tools.

Your reasons for wanting to remarry seem to have changed over the course of this thread. From your first post:
“My question is whether I have a responsibility to be open to and seek out partnership with a woman to help influence and shape my childrens’ lives as they complete elementary school and, subsequently, puberty/social issues/homework/etc.”

When we responded collectively “no, you do not have that responsibility, look to other role models” you mentioned: " That, however, won’t be sufficient to teach the children how to emulate a Christian relationship between two loving adults. It also won’t teach my girls how to use maxi pads, deal with social issues at school, etc" We then pointed out that you had a different, but equally valid Christian relationship with your wife, and had stuck with her through the hardest of times, and still spoke positively of her and cared for her the best you could with the “tools” that you had, and this was a sacrificial marriage. Explained puberty resources.

You then explain that you don’t think it is right that you should be alone, and yet married, when your wife is alive, but incapable of engaging in a marriage relationship. That is painful, but no one here can change these rules, and faith requires sacrifice. We all discussed that saying you believe your marriage is valid, and then you are considering going for annulment anyway, because you have been told you have a good chance, is disingenuous.

then:" In other words, this isn’t about sex, or loneliness, It’s a function of working 9-6, and the children not being as connected to the fabric of the community as their mother and I would have liked."

At this point, as someone that has responded several times in this thread, it feels like the more I try to address your concerns, the more shifting there is. This feels frustrating, like I am not really helping.

I am going to go with your first post.

No, you do not have the responsibility to remarry. Your responsibility is to your children and your current, by your own words, valid marriage. Your children do not need a stepmother, and there are other ways to get these needs met without as much trauma. There is no solution that would come close to having your wife not sick and participating in your marriage.

You seem like a very kind, loving, attentive father and husband and a man of faith. I hear you concerns, and you and your family have been dealt a difficult hand. I think highly of you. I wish you and your family the very best. I don’t think there is anything else I can say that will be helpful.

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Okay.

It won’t actually help your kids to see their father find a “better” wife because their mom got sick.

How will your daughters ever learn to trust a man? “I better be healthy and perfect or he’ll leave me!”

There will be consequences that reverberate through the generations to come
 
Maybe… but, what’s it for a child to learn that marriage 600 miles apart and not seeing one another for years at a time with zero phone/internet is healthy? I mean, yes, it can be placed in an empathetic wrapper, but that’s also imperfect.

In fact, if I had a decree of nulity issued years ago, I would still support and love her. I would continue sending photos, and chocolate, and presents. I doubt anyone who truly believes in the sacrament of marriage ever stops loving their spouse, whether married, separated, divorced, widowed, or never married by virtue of a decree of nulity.
 
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Maybe… but, what’s it for a child to learn that marriage 600 miles apart and not seeing one another for years at a time with zero phone/internet is healthy? I mean, yes, it can be placed in an empathetic wrapper, but that’s also imperfect.
They learn that “in sickness and in health” really means something.
 
I sense that you are strongly looking for an “out”. I can’t even blame you for having these feeling, because you really, truly got dealt a crappy hand.

At the same time, you signed on for this possibility–we all did, in our marriage vows. We simply can’t know what the bad times will look like or the forms illness can take.

You’re hurting really bad–your whole family is. You need loving people around all of you.

But a new sexual relationship is not the answer. Even if you got an annulment, a new wife won’t and can’t make everything better. Your current wife will always be in your children’s hearts, if not actively in their lives. This will still be an issue, even if you do everything above board and ethical.

I’m so sorry. It’s a real loss. :pray:t2::pray:t2::pray:t2: For you all
 
Thank you kindly! My kids don’t really remember her. I share little tidbits and pictures to help them ‘know’ her… Like her favorite foods, how she likes to make home made green bread on St. Patrick’s Day, her love of sailing and flying kites. We planted her favorite flowers (peonies and hydrangeas).

Oddly, the most painful parts are getting kids to sports, clothes shopping and coordinating summer camp schedules…

I’m an adult and I guess I’ve had years to process it, but it’s tragic for the children.
 
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Oddly, the most painful parts are getting kids to sports, clothes shopping and coordinating summer camp schedules…
Hire a good nanny to handle that, those are things that you can have staff for.

Also, get to know the parents in your neighborhood and parish. Develop a village that will help you.
 
I know I’m in the minority here, but, could your wife’s mental illness have been caused by a chemical imbalance? If so, you and she could have grounds for annulment, based on the fact that, at the time you took your vows she (and you, possibly) would not have been able to fully consent to the marriage, not having this information. I believe that, in most of these illnesses, it cannot be determined just when the chemical imbalance began. Many do begin at birth.

However, it doesn’t sound like your reasons for wanting to remarry are valid…many children have been successfully raised by one parent.

If you do decide you want an annulment, speak to your pastor and to a christian counselor. I wish you and your kids the very best. God Bless.
 
I know I’m in the minority here, but, could your wife’s mental illness have been caused by a chemical imbalance? If so, you and she could have grounds for annulment, based on the fact that, at the time you took your vows she (and you, possibly) would not have been able to fully consent to the marriage, not having this information.
Can. 1097 §2. Error concerning a quality of the person does not render a marriage invalid even if it is the cause for the contract, unless this quality is directly and principally intended.
 
Can. 1097 §2. Error concerning a quality of the person does not render a marriage invalid even if it is the cause for the contract, unless this quality is directly and principally intended.
I suspect sanity is “directly and principally intended” by almost all spouses.

I also suspect there are some other relevant points of canon.

Legend, our OP believes that his wife was in her right mind when they got married.
 
I was just pointing out a possibility. and, the OP is not going to do anything lightly.

This part of my reply is not directed toward any one person…but, I have noticed, that in the opinion of many posters in these forums, that an annulment is more easily approved for a woman in situations similar to this, than to a man.
 
This part of my reply is not directed toward any one person…but, I have noticed, that in the opinion of many posters in these forums, that an annulment is more easily approved for a woman in situations similar to this, than to a man.
Who says that?

Also, cite?
 
I don’t single anyone out here. So, I haven’t any examples offhand.

However, the first response (usually, with good reason), to a woman who claims she is being abused in any way, is to leave the premises. In this case, this man ended his (civil) union with this wife, when she expressed a desire to ‘give their children back to Jesus’. A very smart action, IMO. But, he doesn’t seem to have inspired much appreciation for doing so. Yes, it was years ago. But still, he may have saved his children’s lives.

I know that this isn’t exactly an answer, but the climate, or attitude, has always been for the woman to leave the man. Granted, women have, in the past, been , by far, the more likely to post on this subject. Does the OP have grounds for an annulment? I don’t know. That is why I advised him, and am still advising him, to speak to his priest, and a good counselor, before making any moves. In most cases, If a man wanted to ‘give his children back to Jesus’ his wife would have been advised, wisely, to legally do anything to keep them away from him!

I didn’t post this to start a debate. Every situation is different, and probably, also the solution for it. I made a comment on what I have seen on these forums. So, this will be my last comment on it here. As you can read in my own comment, I expect to be in the minority. But, I feel that a situation like this would warrant further investigation into an annulment, if the party should seek one. It may not be possible, any way. I’m certainly not trying to appear to be an expert!
 
However, the first response (usually, with good reason), to a woman who claims she is being abused in any way, is to leave the premises.
This lady is loooong gone. As the OP has pointed out a number of times, she’s 600 miles away and doesn’t respond to packages or letters, and even when people make the effort to drive to see her (a full-day trip), she only has a few minutes to spare from full-time being crazy.

She isn’t so much abusive as absent. Also, I’ve been one of the posters encouraging the OP to pursue an annulment case, as I believe there may be better grounds than he thinks.

If people in this thread are not encouraging pursuing an annulment as much as you’d like, bear in mind that that is mostly because the OP himself has repeatedly asserted that their marriage is valid and he believes it is valid. I personally suspect that some of her psychological issues probably existed in much more subtle form at the time of their marriage or that there are other things going on, but you can’t blame other people for believing the OP.
But, he doesn’t seem to have inspired much appreciation for doing so.
I don’t think people have discussed that much, because it wasn’t the focus of his attention. He wants to know if he can remarry and focusing on how much his kids could benefit from a loving step-mom, so those are the issues we have been talking about.
If a man wanted to ‘give his children back to Jesus’ his wife would have been advised, wisely, to legally do anything to keep them away from him!
Hopefully the OP has appropriate legal safeguards in place and has given appropriate instructions to the children (don’t go anywhere with mom), but his wife has not shown any interest in being in touch with the family for a long time.
 
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Okay.

It won’t actually help your kids to see their father find a “better” wife because their mom got sick.

How will your daughters ever learn to trust a man? “I better be healthy and perfect or he’ll leave me!”

There will be consequences that reverberate through the generations to come
This. I grew up with a mentally ill mother and experienced lot of mental illness in the exteneded family. One thought never left: being cold and strong and hating weakness in order to find maybe someone who loves me because in my eyes, No one would stay with a sick wife. I feared I would be sick one day because of genetic familiar reasons.
I’m glad I was able to leave this point of view before I got married. Don’t plant this seed of fear in your daughters heart.
 
If you feel that you should get married again for whatever reason then you will have to get an annulment for the first marriage.
 
@alice24 Would this feel the same, even if your father (or I) had a Decree of nulity in hand?
 
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