Catholic Mormon - The Middle Way

[thecourt]

Drop the dude

 

[xixxvmcm85]

Drop the dude

I seriously don’t know what you’re talking about. You’ve jumped from being a proud LDS, to being regretful of attending a Mass, to accusing us of being anti-Boy Scouts.

Your posts seem to be the bantering of someone who has lost his mind.

 

[thecourt]

I am in sound mind and am exiting this thread due to other work.

Have a great weekend.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Questions for you:

Any of you still attend occational sacrement meetings, as well as the Daily Mass, and Sunday Mass ?

I attend Sunday Mass. No Sacrament mtg. I used to go to the occasional family things. You know, trying to not be or feel excluded from what are important to Mormons…baby blessings, missionary farewells, etc. But the last one I went to I sat there thinking all I wanted was out of there. I don’t go to them any longer.

Certainly, I am excluded from these parts of my family’s life, but I can’t pretend like it has any meaning to me. But I understand how it is trying to be a part of their lives by being a part of their religious occasions. It took me a good 15 years of not being Mormon to be able to let that aspect go.

Do you still have family that are still Mormons?

Yes, my entire extended family and in-laws are LDS. My husband’s stepmother was raised Catholic but she has no love for the Catholic Church.

Prior to my checking out the Catholic Church I knew exactly ZERO Catholics.

Are there any of the Mormon teachings you still follow?

Not any of the unique Mormon teachings, no.

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I still follow the Word of Wisdom to a point, since I do drink Mountain Dews, but basically don’t smoke or drink,

Many Catholics do not drink or smoke (other than the cup at communion, which is a minimal qty of alcohol).

also I am very much still attached to the preexistence concept, due to the very large amount of NDEs on the internet that seem to support some form of preexistence, even if it is not as detailed as what mormons describe it.

I am curious how you equate NDEs to a preexistence.

 

[rmcmullan]

There’s two uniquely Protestant teachings that the Mormons and Catholic do agree on: Once Saved Always Saved is just wrong and we are not Saved By Grace only. Those are ideas that were introduced by Calvin and Luther respectively and despite what appears to be a strong Protestant tradition in Mormonism, we reject them soundly.

 

[Robert_in_SD]

There’s two uniquely Protestant teachings that the Mormons and Catholic do agree on: Once Saved Always Saved is just wrong and we are not Saved By Grace only. Those are ideas that were introduced by Calvin and Luther respectively and despite what appears to be a strong Protestant tradition in Mormonism, we reject them soundly.

Catholics believe we are saved by grace alone. The teaching we reject is the teaching of “faith alone” or sola fide. Is that what you meant? If so, then yes, Catholics and Mormons are in agreement in their rejection of OSAS and sola fide. We also both reject the doctrine of sola scriptura. Neither Catholics nor LDS accept the teaching that scripture alone is doctrinally sufficient (although some may hold to the notion of the material sufficiency of the scriptures).

Peace of Christmas,
-Robert

 

[RebeccaJ]

I am loyal and will continue to be to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Now, I suppose some are thinking — YOU NEED TO BE KICKED OUT OF THE CHURCH because I come to the forums here regularly.

Why do you believe that participating in a non-Mormon forum would be cause for the LDS Church kicking you out?

Attend Mass occasionally.

My reasons is relative to understanding of people in general, whether on a faith journey or not or otherwise.

Just curious, what do you learn about people at Mass.

Yes, I sustain Thomas Monson as the prophet,seer, and revelator called by the Lord Jesus Christ. This man, I offer to you, did not seek, campaign, or prepare from a academic standpoint to be where he is.

Is this what you believe about non-Mormon clergy? That they campaign?

Again the head of the Church is Jesus Christ

Yes, this we agree on. Christ is the head of the Church that He established during His ministry. Which is, the catholic church.

FOR THOSE FURTHER CONFUSED, ANGRY ,OR WHATEVER EMOTIONALLY, you are welcome to contact me privately since I will not explain my conviction relative to the truth, respecting how it was created and why, in detail here.

Okee dokee.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

That’s correct. There have been Mormons who have posted to this forum who claim to be active in both faiths. That’s not rational, but that’s the claim.

I too have Mormon friends, some from childhood. I too have attended meetings, even classes, at Mormon churches with my Mormon friends. I’ve attended weddings, and have attended the funerals of the parents of my Mormon childhood friends, all at Mormon churches. I don’t see any problem with that.

But the idea that one can somehow blend the two faiths into some sort of hybridized Mormon/Catholic faith is preposterous. To attend a Mormon meeting with family ~ even a sacrament meeting ~ is fine ~ assuming of course the Catholic abstains from taking the Mormon sacrament. To attend social functions, weddings, funerals, etc. ~ no problem.

But to be active in both faiths ~ not possible because the faiths are utterly incompatible. And I submit that a Catholic priest, and probably a Mormon bishop, would agree.

**Anglicanism is far closer to Catholicism than is Mormonism. So: **​

• **Can one be Catholic (in the CC sense) & Anglican ? If not - why not ? **
• **If it’s possible to combine CCism w/ Mormonism, to combine CCism w/ Anglicanism should be even less problematic. **
• If OTOH it’s possible to combine CCism w/ Mormonism, but not possible to combine CCism w/ Anglicanism: what theological principle or principles will allow the former while not allowing the latter ?
  Newman tried** to find a “middle way” between Canterbury & Rome. His attempt broke down. So he was faced with a choice; STM this “middle way” will not be any more sustainable. **

 

[rmcmullan]

Catholics believe we are saved by grace alone. The teaching we reject is the teaching of “faith alone” or sola fide. Is that what you meant? If so, then yes, Catholics and Mormons are in agreement in their rejection of OSAS and sola fide. We also both reject the doctrine of sola scriptura. Neither Catholics nor LDS accept the teaching that scripture alone is doctrinally sufficient (although some may hold to the notion of the material sufficiency of the scriptures).

Peace of Christmas,
-Robert

You’re right, it’s sola fide. I can’t count how many faith vs. works discussions I had as a missionary. And thank you for pointing out the sola scriptura, that’s important too.

 

[why_me]

**Anglicanism is far closer to Catholicism than is Mormonism. So: **​

• **Can one be Catholic (in the CC sense) & Anglican ? If not - why not ? **
• **If it’s possible to combine CCism w/ Mormonism, to combine CCism w/ Anglicanism should be even less problematic. **
• If OTOH it’s possible to combine CCism w/ Mormonism, but not possible to combine CCism w/ Anglicanism: what theological principle or principles will allow the former while not allowing the latter ?
  Newman tried** to find a “middle way” between Canterbury & Rome. His attempt broke down. So he was faced with a choice; STM this “middle way” will not be any more sustainable. **

I think that you will find that in many matters the lds are far closer to catholics than anglicans, especially now that the anglican church is very liberal in its religious teachings. For most mormons, the catholic moral teaching is very close to mormonism. And it is here that most mormons could find a home. Also, both churches claim truth and for most mormons truth is either with the catholics or with the lds. Very few mormons would claim that any protestant faith could have the truth. And so, we find catholic/mormons on this forum or mormon/catholics.