Catholic Mystics

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I’m really engulfed right now in the mystical dimension of the Church, adopted by so many of the saints blesseds: John of the Cross, Christina, etc.

Can anyone provide some names (and possibly a brief description) of some of the great mystics in the Church’s history?
 
I too have taken a big interest in the mystical life in the past 9 months or so.

I was first introduced to mystical spirituality by Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange’s book “Christian Perfection and Contemplation According to St. Thomas Aquinas and St. John of the Cross.” His main point is that each and every one of us is called to the mystical life and that a high (but not the highest) degree of perfection is not only attainable in this life but is in the normal way of things… that is, we each are called to strive for this this state of perfection and it is within our grasp (only with God’s grace of course), and thus we ought to attain to it. This book is pretty densely philosophical and theological but it’s very good.

A book that is absolutely phenomenal is “The Fulfillment of All Desire” by Ralph Martin. He writes about the progression of the spritual life as told by seven doctors of the church (who were also mystics): Aquinas, Augustine, Therese of Liseux, Teresa of Avila, John of the Cross, Francis DeSales, and Bernard of Clairvaux. Much of the book is quotes from their writings with Mr. Martin’s commentary to explain it. If you are looking to learn about the spiritual life, this is an awesome place to start. I HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend it. From here, you can branch out into the works of these seven saints (and others).
 
I’m really engulfed right now in the mystical dimension of the Church, adopted by so many of the saints blesseds: John of the Cross, Christina, etc.

Can anyone provide some names (and possibly a brief description) of some of the great mystics in the Church’s history?
Hello St. Aloysius, I’d recommend you read St. Faustina’s Diary. Has to be one of the very best book I’ve ever read without a doubt.
A book that is absolutely phenomenal is “The Fulfillment of All Desire” by Ralph Martin. He writes about the progression of the spritual life as told by seven doctors of the church (who were also mystics): Aquinas, Augustine, Therese of Liseux, Teresa of Avila, John of the Cross, Francis DeSales, and Bernard of Clairvaux. Much of the book is quotes from their writings with Mr. Martin’s commentary to explain it. If you are looking to learn about the spiritual life, this is an awesome place to start. I HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend it. From here, you can branch out into the works of these seven saints (and others).
Hello Paladin, thanks for the recommendation! That sounds like just the kind of book I’m after.

God bless you both,
Noel.
 
Someone on here recommended Fire Within by Fr. Thomas Dubay, and I haven’t been able to put it down. I’ve found it very helpful in understanding the spirituality of St. Teresa and St. John of the Cross. It’s helped me to understand where I am spiritually, and where I may be going.

Also, before reading that book, I read Prayer Primer and Deep Conversion/Deep Prayer by the same author. I would not have been ready for Fire Within had I not started a consistent prayer/meditation life as suggested in those books.
 
Hello St. Aloysius, I’d recommend you read St. Faustina’s Diary. Has to be one of the very best book I’ve ever read without a doubt.
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Thanks!

I’ll look into some of these.

Keep the suggestions coming if you have them…
 
Another great book is “The Story of a Soul” , the autobiography of St. Therese of Lisieux.

I have read this book several times in my life, and it is always a source of much inspiration.

St. Therese died when she was 24, and a priest (forgot his name) said she reached perfection at 15 years old.

We can learn so much from her “little way of love and self surrender.”
 
Another great book is “The Story of a Soul” , the autobiography of St. Therese of Lisieux.

I have read this book several times in my life, and it is always a source of much inspiration.

St. Therese died when she was 24, and a priest (forgot his name) said she reached perfection at 15 years old.

We can learn so much from her “little way of love and self surrender.”
Hello Dorothy, I must read that book again. As far as I remember, it had a very good piece on charity.
 
Another great book is “The Story of a Soul” , the autobiography of St. Therese of Lisieux.

I have read this book several times in my life, and it is always a source of much inspiration.

St. Therese died when she was 24, and a priest (forgot his name) said she reached perfection at 15 years old.

We can learn so much from her “little way of love and self surrender.”
I always thought St.Therese was a declared (by The Church) saint, mystic and Doctor of The Church and was going to mention her in this thread. But quick research before posting seemed to indicate that she was not declared by The Church as a mystic and so did not post. Can anyone set me straight on this please? I am not too sure of the official Church ruling or defintion re “mystic”, though I certainly think personally of St. Therese as a mystic. I am intrigued by this and why I thought she was a declared mystic, I dont know. It has occured to me too if we all share a common definition of “mystic” although this may be taking this thread off course too:o
St. Therese is my patron saint.

New Advent entry re mysticism: New Advent Entry “Mysticism”
is far too complex for such as I to understand.

If I am taking this thread off course:o , let me know and I will try Apologetics, who may be able to inform me.

Barb:)
 
Maybe I don’t understand definitions, but I would think St. Therese had a deep contemplative prayer life, and that would be equivalent to “mystic”. I don’t think it is necessary for one to have constant visions and revelations to be considered “mystic”.

Love of God is the aim of all prayer, and she can certainly teach a lot about that!
 
I always thought St.Therese was a declared (by The Church) saint, mystic and Doctor of The Church and was going to mention her in this thread. But quick research before posting seemed to indicate that she was not declared by The Church as a mystic and so did not post. Can anyone set me straight on this please? I am not too sure of the official Church ruling or defintion re “mystic”, though I certainly think personally of St. Therese as a mystic. I am intrigued by this and why I thought she was a declared mystic, I dont know. It has occured to me too if we all share a common definition of “mystic” although this may be taking this thread off course too:o
St. Therese is my patron saint.

New Advent entry re mysticism: New Advent Entry “Mysticism”
is far too complex for such as I to understand.

If I am taking this thread off course:o , let me know and I will try Apologetics, who may be able to inform me.

Barb:)
Is there an “official” Church declaration that somoene is/was a mystic? I have never heard of that as something official. Certainly, as one who achieved communion with God in this life, Therese is considered a mystic. But then we are all called to this communino personarum with God and it can be achieved by ordinary people. We have mystics in our midst that we may not know about as they don’t go around telling everyone they are experiencing God in a unique and intimate way. Then again, everytime we receive Communion we should be expereincing God in a unique and intimate way. Mystical experiences do not have to be visions or locutions or voices from heaven. I think we all have mystical experiences, but we just might not recongnise them or be open to them when they happen. I don’t think Therese or any of the other saints thought of themselves as mystics. It was only in hindsight when their writings were discovered and pondered over that their true identity as mystics was uncovered. I think we will soon discover that JP II was a mystic.
 
Is there an “official” Church declaration that somoene is/was a mystic? I have never heard of that as something official. Certainly, as one who achieved communion with God in this life, Therese is considered a mystic. But then we are all called to this communino personarum with God and it can be achieved by ordinary people. We have mystics in our midst that we may not know about as they don’t go around telling everyone they are experiencing God in a unique and intimate way. Then again, everytime we receive Communion we should be expereincing God in a unique and intimate way. Mystical experiences do not have to be visions or locutions or voices from heaven. I think we all have mystical experiences, but we just might not recongnise them or be open to them when they happen. I don’t think Therese or any of the other saints thought of themselves as mystics. It was only in hindsight when their writings were discovered and pondered over that their true identity as mystics was uncovered. I think we will soon discover that JP II was a mystic.
Hello Joanmm…you may be right and there is no formal declaration of “mystic”…I thought that there was and I may well be wrong.

The definitions of “mystic” I think are very broad according to whomsoever may hold such a definition. Visions, locutions and ecstacies can be sort of by-products of mysticism to my definition but not the essence of. They are not integral to mysticim as I understand it.
I agree with most of your comments above and I think probably also there are mystics in our midst who do not know it.

I am most curious now if anyone can state for sure whether there is a formal classification of mystic in The Church…perhaps I am entirely wrong, and hence claiming my human right.😉 Perhaps someone will come into this thread with some good source reliable information to clarify the matter…I have no idea nor hence certainly any source to quote why I had arrived at a conclusion that The Church did so declare at times.

I have always thought of St. Therese, or anyway once I fell over in my teens some book about mysticism (and wondered as I flicked through the pages - and later bought it - what on earth they were on about), and I sure think that Pope JPII was.
I think we all have mystical experiences, but we just might not recongnise them or be open to them when they happen.
Distinct possibility.

“Mystic” after all is only a noun or a “tag” to attach to put another into a compartment…albeit “mystic” is a most respectable compartment indeed in Catholic culture. I daresay St. Therese thought of herself as “Therese”, St. Teresa of Avila as “Teresa” and JPII as “JPII” etc. etc.

Thanks heaps for the reply…Barb:)
 
I am most curious now if anyone can state for sure whether there is a formal classification of mystic in The Church
Somewhere I’ve read that the difference between a contemplative and a mystic is that the mystic has been given a special gift of understanding by which they are able to communicate something of the experience of God in prayer to others. By this criteria, St. Therese certainly qualifies as a mystic. There are contemplatives all around us . . . in our parishes, in our work environments, on these forums . . . but that doesn’t necessarily mean they can communicate.

Also, as others have noted, it’s a misnomer to equate mysticism with extraordinary phenomena like visions, locutions and so on as is so often the case. For the most part, the “extraordinary” was not the way of St. Therese. However, there’s no doubt she had abundant experience with the “ordinary” way of contemplation described so wonderfully by St. Teresa of Avila as the prayers of recollection, quiet and union.

Also, her “style” of contemplation was typically arid and dry in contrast to the joyful and consoling type we often (wrongly) associate with mysticism. All it takes is a quick glance at St. John of the Cross or St. Teresa of Avila to see that these style differenced aren’t what makes a mystic . . . for they are but opposite sides of the same coin.

Dave.
 
Dave wrote:
Originally Posted by BarbaraTherese
I am most curious now if anyone can state for sure whether there is a formal classification of mystic in The Church.
Somewhere I’ve read that the difference between a contemplative and a mystic is that the mystic has been given a special gift of understanding by which they are able to communicate something of the experience of God in prayer to others. By this criteria, St. Therese certainly qualifies as a mystic. There are contemplatives all around us . . . in our parishes, in our work environments, on these forums . . . but that doesn’t necessarily mean they can communicate.

Also, as others have noted, it’s a misnomer to equate mysticism with extraordinary phenomena like visions, locutions and so on as is so often the case. For the most part, the “extraordinary” was not the way of St. Therese. However, there’s no doubt she had abundant experience with the “ordinary” way of contemplation described so wonderfully by St. Teresa of Avila as the prayers of recollection, quiet and union.

Also, her “style” of contemplation was typically arid and dry in contrast to the joyful and consoling type we often (wrongly) associate with mysticism. All it takes is a quick glance at St. John of the Cross or St. Teresa of Avila to see that these style differenced aren’t what makes a mystic . . . for they are but opposite sides of the same coin.

How does the story go? Was it St Philip Neri (or some other saint) who encountered an old man in his church day after day spending hours sitting before the Blessed Sacrament, and who finally asked him what he was doing there day after day, to which the old man replied, “I look at Him; He looks at me.”

That, in a nutshell, is contemplation. Whether the old man was then able to explain further and in more detail his experience of this looking at and being looked at in return we are not told. Had he done so, in an understandable way, then as Dave says, he would have been a mystic as well.

St John of the Cross refers to his own writings as Mystical Theology and has the title, whether official or not, of the Mystical Doctor of the Church, though many people who have attempted to read him complain of not being able to understand him. But that cannot be blamed on St John. We understand only as we are able, according to our readiness to perceive. Which is exactly why our Lord spoke in parables, which is why Truth must often be conveyed by indirection, by symbol and imagery, because seeing and seeing we often do not perceive, and hearing and hearing do not understand when told things directly. Besides, everybody loves a story.

As a priest friend of mine, a former university professor, once put it, if he told his students that reality is not as it seems this would make no impact. However, if he were to say, “There was once an emperor who needed new clothes…” he would get their attention. And this story, this parable, would lead the students, hopefully, to the conclusion that “Hey, reality is not as it seems.”

A mystic is someone who sees reality as it is. And anyone who really wishes to “see” need only look to the One who said, “You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free,” the One, that is, who also claimed to be the Truth.
 
Quoting DBT HERE
Somewhere I’ve read that the difference between a contemplative and a mystic is that the mystic has been given a special gift of understanding by which they are able to communicate something of the experience of God in prayer to others. By this criteria, St. Therese certainly qualifies as a mystic. There are contemplatives all around us . . . in our parishes, in our work environments, on these forums . . . but that doesn’t necessarily mean they can communicate.
Well said!
Also, as others have noted, it’s a misnomer to equate mysticism with extraordinary phenomena like visions, locutions and so on as is so often the case. For the most part, the “extraordinary” was not the way of St. Therese. However, there’s no doubt she had abundant experience with the “ordinary” way of contemplation described so wonderfully by St. Teresa of Avila as the prayers of recollection, quiet and union.
Well said again! Sometimes I wonder too as I read the writings of saints, what indeed has not been said for whatever reason…sometimes there is a hint “between the lines”.
Also, her “style” of contemplation was typically arid and dry in contrast to the joyful and consoling type we often (wrongly) associate with mysticism. All it takes is a quick glance at St. John of the Cross or St. Teresa of Avila to see that these style differenced aren’t what makes a mystic . . . for they are but opposite sides of the same coin.
This is an excellent point too – that styles of writing and ways of expressing can differ, yet essentially each author is often saying the same thing. Perhaps utilizing different nouns to categorize a concept that is shared by other authors using different nouns of categorization. Where contemplation and mysticism are concerned, there can sometimes be a problem of difference in definition and possibly not only in spiritual texts, but in the understanding of the reader etc. It always helps (in meetings too especially) to ensure that all can agree on and share a common definition of some particular noun pertinent to what is under discussion. This can be the very first task to be undertaken before proceeding further.

An aside: Although my prime and central query was and is for myself – in the canonization of some person does The Church have and declare a public statement that the person was a mystic. As when some saint is declared say “virgin and religious”. I always thought there was such a declaration e.g. “virgin, religious, mystic”…………but am now starting to think that perhaps I have been incorrect.


Quoting Gabrielis HERE
though many people who have attempted to read him complain of not being able to understand him. But that cannot be blamed on St John.
Good point! When I first read St. John, I was totally unable to understand what he was talking about, but did conclude that obviously since The Church and others did, it was the poverty of my own understanding, which it was. I simply was not ready to read St. John………nor St. Teresa of Avila and probably at that time no mystical writings at all…………and left them alone for many years indeed. They were all just outside my comprehension. Now and then I would be so curious, but poverty of understanding remained totally intact.

I may be incorrect in this also, but I think the term Dark Night or perhaps darkness and night connected in some way does predate St. John of The Cross and talking about the same spiritual passage, although probably none has explained it in such detail and with such perception and indeed in such insightful and clear terms as St. John. But as I say I am not sure of this.

“Hey, reality is not as it seems.”
A mystic is someone who sees reality as it is.
  • And anyone who really wishes to “see” need only look to the One who said, “You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free,” the One, that is, who also claimed to be the Truth.

Good points!..and I particularly like the story of the Emperor’s new clothes…wonderful story that does make one stop…think…ponder…ponder.
Story of The Emporer’s New Clothes

Anthony de Mello in a Chaper on “Authority” in one of his books had a slightly different twist:

A young boy is sitting in a picture theatre with a very tall man in front and he could not see.

The tall man turns to the young boy: “Can you see, Sonny?”

“No Sir, I am sorry, but I cannot see”

Tall man “Oh that’s ok, just laugh when I laugh and you will be fine”.
 
*A mystic is someone who sees reality as it is. *

I never heard of that. A mystic is someone with a deep communication with God in prayer that cross the barrier of faith. Saint Therese of Lisieux never had that, that is why she said she would have to find a new way to be saint (and I think that is what makes her so great). She was always distracted in prayer, she never experienced supernatural graces from God as Saint Therese of Jesus and Saint John of the Cross, she wasn’t in “arrobamientos”. She had faith. She was an ordinary woman seeing God in ordinary experiences from everyday life. She is a great Saint but not a mystic.
 
*A mystic is someone who sees reality as it is. *

I never heard of that. A mystic is someone with a deep communication with God in prayer that cross the barrier of faith. Saint Therese of Lisieux never had that, that is why she said she would have to find a new way to be saint (and I think that is what makes her so great). She was always distracted in prayer, she never experienced supernatural graces from God as Saint Therese of Jesus and Saint John of the Cross, she wasn’t in “arrobamientos”. She had faith. She was an ordinary woman seeing God in ordinary experiences from everyday life. She is a great Saint but not a mystic.
I agree, although I kind of think that she prayed to not have extraordinary mystical experiences in order to be like the ordinary person rather like she said she had prayed to not be incorrupt so as to be as a “regular” person. I think her faithful prayer/attitude to be similar to Bro Lawrences who is not a mystic (as far as is known) either. However, she did have a vision of Mary as Our Lady of the Smile and hence her recovery from her illness at ten.🤷
 
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