Catholic opinions about Sedevacantism?

[gorman64]

You seem more interested in taking life, rather than giving your own for the redemption of any.

I am certain that that is not your intention. It is obvious how much you love the Church. But you are not proving your love to be self-sacrificial.

Can you explain what you mean here?

 

[maurin]

You are calling our Popes heretics, you have stated that “B[enedict] XVI and others cannot be and could not have been true Popes.”

You are usurping, by these declarations, authority that Jesus did not give you. This is why it seems we are back in the 1500’s. Someone named Luther said similar things.

My explanation of my statements follows this. You do not seem to be looking within and above in order to discern God’s purpose in allowing these things to happen. Instead of picking up this cross and offering your sufferings inflicted on you by this current state of the Body of Christ to God, you seem to toss the Cross aside and resort to pointing fingers and passing judgments that are not yours to make.

I continue to be of similar mind as you when it comes to the Novos Ordo: I do not see how it can be intended by God that we celebrate such a low Christology.

But I have wisdom enough to accept that which Peter has bound, and appreciate the choices he has given me. I wait, I pray and I ask for understanding of these issues which are rending the Body of Christ. And not behaving so rashly as to further rend Him.

 

[alih]

i don’t often get into these of late but: “Moreover, in order to check the daily increasing audacity of many modernists who are endeavoring by all kinds of sophistry and devices to detract from the force and efficacy not only of the decree ‘lamentabili sane exitu’ (so called syllabus), issured by our order by the Holy Roman and Universal Inquisition on July 3 of the present year, but also of our encyclical letters ‘Pascendi dominici gregis’ given September 8 of this same year, we do by our apostolic authority repeat and confirm both that decree of Supreme Sacred Congregation and those encyclical letter of ours, adding the penalty of excommunication against their contradictors, and this we declare and decree that should anybody, which may God forbid, be so rash as to defend any one of the propositions, opinions or teachings condemned in these documents he falls ipso facto, under the censure contained under the chapter “Docentes” of the constitution “Apostolicae Sedis” which is the first among the excommunications latae sententiae simply reserved to the Roman Pontiff. This excommunication is to be understood as salvis poenis, which may be incurred by those who have violated in any way heretical saries of both these documents, expecially when they advocate the errors of the modernists that is, the synthesis of all heresies” (Praestantia Scripturae, Nov. l8, 1907) author St. Pius X. (also part of cannon law of 1917 which was in force to 1983) make your own judgements as to whom it covered, when and how. this, in my opinion, is one of the explainations used to bolster the arguments by the sedevacantists. best to all. alih.

 

[guanophore]

To accept such a view is to believe hell had prevailed against the Church despite Christ’s promise that it wouldn’t in Mt 16:18. that of course is a lie.

That is, in fact, a heretical belief.

I think the Sedavacantists would perceive this like the Orthodox, in that Satan had prevailed against Rome, and that the true Church of Christ exists with themselves.

 

[guanophore]

I went to the website link you provided. After reading their FAQ’s it’s very clear that this site is rubbish.

Why bother reading this kind of stuff?

As a convert, I came to realize, through careful study of the Catechism and other readings, that the Catholic Church is always right. Always.

If you are confused that the Church is Truth, please study the Catechism and reflect on it, preferably in front of the Blessed Sacrament, after asking the Holy Spirit for guidance. I guarantee you’ll never doubt again.

This is very interesting. I was just given the EXACT same advice by a Sedavacantist! With the addition that I needed to pray to the Blessed Mother. She also told me that Luther did not venerate Mary, because if he did, he would never have protested. She said that the new mass is “Luther’s Mass”, which I did not understand.

 

[JesuXPIPassio]

I really don’t think the Orthodox see it that way, at least not in the mainstream. There are a handfull who do think of us negatively (for example there were a bunch of monks in Mount Athos who refused to submit to the Ecumenical Patriarch because of his work to improve their relationship with Rome).

Some protestants view the Church that way. Seventh Day Adventists do and some American fundamentalists do (oddly, it doesn’t look as if that happens anywhere else in the world today, although the European ones did 400 years ago).

But I think it’s safe to say that the Orthodox certainly don’t think that. If they did, the Popes would not have such a good relationship with the Patriarch of Romania, nor would the Pope have visited the Patriarch of Constantinople last November, nor would many Orthodox leaders have attended the funeral for the last Pope, nor would there have been the Joint Declarations between Benedict XVI and the Ecumenical Patriarch or with Paul VI and the Ecumenical Patriarch at that time.

I think the Sedavacantists would perceive this like the Orthodox, in that Satan had prevailed against Rome, and that the true Church of Christ exists with themselves.

 

[guanophore]

Hi Unitas,

Re: Mary

I think the similarities between the law and Christ (grace) is this:

• God gave both to humans through someone. (Moses & Mary)

But the big difference is that Jesus suffered terribly on the Cross, while the commandments were written by God himself.

I think Protestants can’t accept Mary’s level of praise because she wasn’t crucified or beaten or mocked.

Therefore to elevate her to similar staus/adoration with Jesus seems unthinkable to a Protestant.

Warm Regards,
Rev13_16

What do protestants think it means when it says “and a sword shall pierce your own heart also”? I can’t imagine how any mother would feel, standing at the foot of a cross, watching her son die.

 

[Godefridus]

Sedevacantists have soiled the good name of traditional Catholicism. They are heretics.

If you ask me, whatever their status vis-a-vis salvation, sedevacantists are logically more consistent and honest than defenders of SSPX. You can’t reject teachings of Vatican II and believe that any of the Popes who affirm Vatican II are valid.

 

[TNT]

If you ask me, whatever their status vis-a-vis salvation, sedevacantists are logically more consistent and honest than defenders of SSPX. You can’t reject teachings of Vatican II and believe that any of the Popes who affirm Vatican II are valid.

Exactly.
If yur gonna jump ship, please let go of rope.