Catholic opinions towards Putin and his recent actions.

[Prodigal_40s]

Oy vey. ** I didn’t change the discussion! **You asked about U.S reactions to internal terror threats and how they would compare to Putin’s. I answered.

I maintain that Putin is nefarious. And I iterate my statement of dismay that people are willing to excuse his history and rationalize his actions in the Ukraine as somehow justifiable.

Yes you did. The US “internal terror threat” is comparable to Russia’s? Get a grip

People see a government who were voted in being removed by a lunatic right wing faction so I do think their removal is a good thing

 

[Prodigal_40s]

They are substantially different from one another in many ways.

What if Scotland votes for independence–would it be o.k. for England to send soldiers across the border to protect Scottish citizens of English descent from violence, even when there is no threat of violence? Would it be o.k. for England to annex parts of Scotland that are predominantly ethnically English?

I’m sure if they did Obama wouldn’t impose sanctions on them. Scottish citizens who want to remain British; it’s irrelevant if they’re of English descent.

 

[Prodigal_40s]

I just posted a list with more than **300 books **about this issue. I take that you’ve not studied and verified each one of them before saying that this is “paranoid garbage”.

1. Don’t you remember Russia and China being against military innervation on Syria? Don’t you remember Russia and China warning the world about the Arab Spring? Don’t you know about the 2001 Sino-Russian Treaty of Friendship?
2. Are you talking about the Islamic Group? Terrorism for them is just a tool to achieve the universal caliphate. For what I know, I say that this is the most dangerous group, because Islam will fill the void left by secularism in many countries of Europe.
   René Guenon once said, either the Catholic Church recompose and get a hold of the Europe, or Islam will conquer everything. And he was working for the Islamic when he said that.
3. Some of them are, some of them aren’t. The fact is that they know very well that allowing abortion and promoting immorality will not make people “happy”. They are doing this because they know that it create chaos and destruction. But how much destruction they want? I don’t know… Some of them are involved in Satanism and are willing to do anything.

Yes, the Bildenberg is not working alone. There is the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations and other groups. Now, I don’t know enough about the so called “Illuminati”, but I must say to you that this group is deeply involved in satanic rituals.

If it contains the nonsense in the rest of your post, I won’t read any of them. What an absolute load of nonsense.

 

[on_the_hill]

If the US or the UK had all the internal threats that he has to contend with, they would both be governed in a different way.

The reason we don’t have the internal threats is *because *of the way we are governed. When an internal threat arises, we deal within the bounds of the U.S. Constitution.

You’ve completely ignored my arguments and talked about the US as if it can be compared to Russia. Don’t be ridiculous

You asked if the US would be governed differently if we faced internal threats of the same magnitude that Russia does. I answered that we don’t have the same internal threats that Russia does because of the way we are governed. So you’re asking about a situation that doesn’t exist.

It’s strange how you tried to change the argument by ignoring the original topic under discussion.

Oy vey. I didn’t change the discussion! You asked about U.S reactions to internal terror threats and how they would compare to Putin’s. I answered.

Yes you did. The US “internal terror threat” is comparable to Russia’s? Get a grip

 

[Captain_America]

Beats me how catholics can be enamored of Putin. He’s a thug, writ large. His leadership pretty clearly says to me that his Christianity is a veneer to provide him respectability among the votership, not something that profoundly shapes his principles. Russian daily life has been slowly slipping back into totalitarian control for years. Media freedom is largely squelched (troublesome reporters tend to disappear or the ownership of the entire network is suddenly convicted of nebulous crimes), ownership of economic assets is increasingly restricted to Putin’s political allies, he invaded Georgia to take what he wanted for Russia and now he’s invading Ukraine to take what he wants.

These are simply not the actions of a devoted Christian leader. Catholics should have learned from the whole Franco debacle not to give their devotion to the first guy who comes along professing devotion to Christ and tossing a few token crumbs for the faithful’s consumption. It’s the BIG picture that matters, not a few small things.

Good stuff and worth reading over! Two thumbs up.

 

[Prodigal_40s]

Oh still confused I see. The original point was around whether or not Putin was “bad”. I believe he has the right to deal with threats that are internal effectively and involve his country’s own citizens. I used the evidence of his difficulty of dealing with a fairly lawless country compared to a country that’s unarguably had a stable political system for nearly 300 years. You’ve tried to assert that he’s bad because he doesn’t operate within a similar geopolitical system as the USA. You went on to contradict yourself by admitting that the US has got involved in external affairs in other countries, using a “rule of law” which I also dismantled with the intrusion into Grenada. However I helped you by pointing out that it was in fact next to you and it was no one’s business.
In short you’re not concentrating and too busy trolling the thread. It’s not tedious…really…honest…well maybe a little.

 

[on_the_hill]

You’ve tried to assert that he’s bad because he doesn’t operate within a similar geopolitical system as the USA.

No, I didn’t.

You went on to contradict yourself by admitting that the US has got involved in external affairs in other countries,

I didn’t contradict myself.

I also dismantled with the intrusion into Grenada.

Don’t flatter yourself, sweetie. :kiss4you:

In short you’re not concentrating and too busy trolling the thread.

You finally got one half right, but I’m not the one trolling. :takeoff:

 

[VeritasLuxMea]

Why should we be judging him on whether he’s an Orthodox Christian or a communist in name? Why not judge his actions? Being an Orthodox Christian or a communist doesn’t necessarily mean you have high or low character. Your actions should speak for you.

 

[Prodigal_40s]

Why should we be judging him on whether he’s an Orthodox Christian or a communist in name? Why not judge his actions? Being an Orthodox Christian or a communist doesn’t necessarily mean you have high or low character. Your actions should speak for you.

True but comparatively speaking, is he any worse than any other World leader? It’s the judgement of good and evil based on politicians