Catholic or Just Christian?

[evans77]

I consider my self just a Christian. I go to church where we believe you are born again if you accept Jesus in your Heart and let the holy spirit change. They celebrate Jesus dying on the cross for us and we are covered by the blood of Jesus. When I go to Mass or Catholic church I feel most people are just bench warmers and have not even studied the bible or really now why Jesus died.

My question is do Catholics believe we are saved because we are covered by the blood of Jesus so even we are saved and live a homosexual lifestyle/have addictions/ or just sin are we still saved?

My Christian friend said we are and there is no where in the bible that says we are not saved except the only mortal sin is blasphemy of the Holy spirit and denying Jesus Christ as Lord.

So we are catholics so hung up on Sin? Do they study the bible? Do they celebrate Jesus dying on the cross and our gift of Grace? What is mortal sin? thanks

 

[pablope]

I consider my self just a Christian. I go to church where we believe you are born again if you accept Jesus in your Heart and let the holy spirit change. They celebrate Jesus dying on the cross for us and we are covered by the blood of Jesus. When I go to Mass or Catholic church I feel most people are just bench warmers and have not even studied the bible or really now why Jesus died.

My question is do Catholics believe we are saved because we are covered by the blood of Jesus so even we are saved and live a homosexual lifestyle/have addictions/ or just sin are we still saved?

My Christian friend said we are and there is no where in the bible that says we are not saved except the only mortal sin is blasphemy of the Holy spirit and denying Jesus Christ as Lord.

So we are catholics so hung up on Sin? Do they study the bible? Do they celebrate Jesus dying on the cross and our gift of Grace? What is mortal sin? thanks

Welcome to the forums.

I would suggest you divide your questions into single threads…forum rules…otherwise, you would be overwhelmed.

I will try respond to your queries initially, and start new ones for single subjects you feel you want to tackle first.

When I go to Mass or Catholic church I feel most people are just bench warmers and have not even studied the bible or really now why Jesus died.

The mass in an ancient Liturgy from the time of the Apostles. Here is the Biblical basis for the Mass…ewtn.com/library/liturgy/zlitur144.htm

and here…catholicbridge.com/catholic/mass.php

Biblical references of the Mass…catholicbridge.com/catholic/catholic_mass_bible_references_full_text.php

My question is do Catholics believe we are saved because we are covered by the blood of Jesus so even we are saved and live a homosexual lifestyle/have addictions/ or just sin are we still saved?

chnetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/salvation.pdf

 

[pablope]

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So we are catholics so hung up on Sin?

 

[Michael_Allen]

Just a quick answer to one of your questions.

I am happy to report that, as a Catholic, I read and study the bible every day - usually a couple of chapters of the Tanakh, a psalm, and a chapter from the New Testament.

I also try to familiarize myself with the different ways people have interpreted scripture, and not just Catholic thought. I learned a lot from Rabbi Jonathan Sacks on the Torah, and N.T.Wright on Paul. At the moment I’m learning more about how emerging non-Catholic groups are interpreting scripture by reading Rob Bell, Marcus Borg, and Brian McLaren.

Hopefully that might challenge some stereotypes

 

[zz912]

My Christian friend said we are and there is no where in the bible that says we are not saved except the only mortal sin is blasphemy of the Holy spirit and denying Jesus Christ as Lord.

Your personal theology is severely flawed, and unbiblical. Let’s take a look at the relevant Bible passages:

*1 John 5:16 If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly.

Matthew 12:31 Therefore, I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.*

Your last contention is blatantly contradicted by Matthew, as speaking against the Son of Man (Jesus) WILL be forgiven. So maybe your understanding of these passages is incorrect.

Second, look a little more into your belief that the only mortal sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. 1 John doesn’t say that. 1 John doesn’t specify this singular mortal sin, he instead tells about mortal sin as containing all multiple types of mortal sin, hence there is many types of mortal sin. And looking at Matthew, I would describe blasphemy against Jesus as mortal sin, wouldn’t you?

You should stay and research more on the forums, and open your eyes to the true fullness of the Christian faith! Welcome.

 

[Jaysuitical]

I consider my self just a Christian. I go to church where we believe you are born again if you accept Jesus in your Heart and let the holy spirit change. They celebrate Jesus dying on the cross for us and we are covered by the blood of Jesus. When I go to Mass or Catholic church I feel most people are just bench warmers and have not even studied the bible or really now why Jesus died.

My question is do Catholics believe we are saved because we are covered by the blood of Jesus so even we are saved and live a homosexual lifestyle/have addictions/ or just sin are we still saved?

My Christian friend said we are and there is no where in the bible that says we are not saved except the only mortal sin is blasphemy of the Holy spirit and denying Jesus Christ as Lord.

So we are catholics so hung up on Sin? Do they study the bible? Do they celebrate Jesus dying on the cross and our gift of Grace? What is mortal sin? thanks

I highly suggest the new encyclical, “The Light of Faith”, just issued by Pope Francis, which is lucid and simple on all these matters, especially on how we receive faith. It’s on the Vatican website, as is the much shorter “Credo of the People of God” issued by Paul VI –

vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/motu_proprio/documents/hf_p-vi_motu-proprio_19680630_credo_en.html

“What do you have that you have not received?” St. Paul asked the people of the Church at Corinth. “And if you have received it, why do you boast as if you did not?” (1 Cor. 4:7)

 

[JerryZ]

I consider my self just a Christian. I go to church where we believe you are born again if you accept Jesus in your Heart and let the holy spirit change. They celebrate Jesus dying on the cross for us and we are covered by the blood of Jesus. When I go to Mass or Catholic church I feel most people are just bench warmers and have not even studied the bible or really now why Jesus died.

My question is do Catholics believe we are saved because we are covered by the blood of Jesus so even we are saved and live a homosexual lifestyle/have addictions/ or just sin are we still saved?

My Christian friend said we are and there is no where in the bible that says we are not saved except the only mortal sin is blasphemy of the Holy spirit and denying Jesus Christ as Lord.

So we are catholics so hung up on Sin? Do they study the bible? Do they celebrate Jesus dying on the cross and our gift of Grace? What is mortal sin? thanks

I don’t want to sound uncharitable but you stated: " I feel most people are just bench warmers and have not even studied the bible"
Then you ask what is mortal sin as this was an invention of the Catholic Church.

Let me show you:

I John
5:16 Anyone who realizes that his brother has sinned, with a sin that is not unto death, let him pray, and life shall be given to him who has sinned not unto death. There is a sin which is unto death. I am not saying that anyone should ask on behalf of that sin.
5:17 All that is iniquity is sin. But there is a sin unto death.

So you see, WE are not hung up on sin, we recognize it for what IT IS.
First of all we need to recognize that we are all sinners in need of help.
This help comes from Jesus who said “pick your crosses and follow me”
It is a daily struggle to become more like Him, to conform to His will.

Not all sins are “mortal” John teaches us that, what is a mortal sin?
Well I am so blessed I have a Magisterium with 2000 years of tradition that can teach me that. The CCC will help with that:

1855 Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God’s law; it turns man away from God, who is his ultimate end and his beatitude, by preferring an inferior good to him.
Venial sin allows charity to subsist, even though it offends and wounds it.

1856 Mortal sin, by attacking the vital principle within us - that is, charity - necessitates a new initiative of God’s mercy and a conversion of heart which is normally accomplished within the setting of the sacrament of reconciliation:

When the will sets itself upon something that is of its nature incompatible with the charity that orients man toward his ultimate end, then the sin is mortal by its very object . . . whether it contradicts the love of God, such as blasphemy or perjury, or the love of neighbor, such as homicide or adultery… But when the sinner’s will is set upon something that of its nature involves a disorder, but is not opposed to the love of God and neighbor, such as thoughtless chatter or immoderate laughter and the like, such sins are venial.130

1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."131

1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."132 The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.

1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God’s law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart133 do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.

You can access the the Cathechism of the Catholic Church for free here:

vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

I would highly recommend that you take a read at it. It is full of Bible references that show you where all the relevant verses support each statement.

Peace

 

[Deconi]

I consider my self just a Christian. I go to church where we believe you are born again if you accept Jesus in your Heart and let the holy spirit change. They celebrate Jesus dying on the cross for us and we are covered by the blood of Jesus. When I go to Mass or Catholic church I feel most people are just bench warmers and have not even studied the bible or really now why Jesus died.

My question is do Catholics believe we are saved because we are covered by the blood of Jesus so even we are saved and live a homosexual lifestyle/have addictions/ or just sin are we still saved?

My Christian friend said we are and there is no where in the bible that says we are not saved except the only mortal sin is blasphemy of the Holy spirit and denying Jesus Christ as Lord.

So we are catholics so hung up on Sin? Do they study the bible? Do they celebrate Jesus dying on the cross and our gift of Grace? What is mortal sin? thanks

Whilst everyone else demonstrate to you how well Catholics know the Bible, I’ll say two things you need to know.

The Bible is a Catholic Book! It was compiled by The Church and the Canon set by The Church in about 387AD and CLOSED by Pope Damasus in 401AD and confirmed ‘closed’ at the Council of Trent! Jesus is THE WORD of God, not Scriptures! The Word Lives!!..whilst The Scriptures attest to Him and The Church he started.

If you’re ‘warming the bench’ you’re not listening and appreciating what is happening around you! In 3-years, during Mass, every Catholic hears the Bible in it’s entirety almost! The Mass is the actual Bible in motion because it is Scriptures being lived out as set out by The Apostles from the teaching of their Rabbi, Our Master!

Learn more on the two points above - as well as take heed of what the others are pointing out - and you will appreciate your Faith better and begin to understand what Catholic means and why we seem ‘different’ to all others.

 

[Nita]

My question is do Catholics believe we are saved because we are covered by the blood of Jesus so even we are saved and live a homosexual lifestyle/have addictions/ or just sin are we still saved?

Catholics believe we are saved by receiving the saving grace merited for us by Jesus’ passion and death on the cross. We receive this grace through faith and the sacrament of Baptism (“washing of regeneration”).
Romans 3:24 they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,

Eph. 2:5&8 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved)…
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is a gift of God.

Titus 3:4-7 …He saved us, …by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit, which He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that we might be justified by His grace and become heirs in hope of eternal life.
We can lose this supernatural life of saving grace through willed, grave sin. If we die in that state without repenting and seeking forgiveness, we will not be saved.

My Christian friend said we are and there is no where in the bible that says we are not saved except the only mortal sin is blasphemy of the Holy spirit and denying Jesus Christ as Lord.

Show your friend these passages.
(Keep in mind that Paul is speaking to baptized, believing Christians in these passages.)
1 Cor 6:9-10 … Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, Nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are plain; immorality, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry,m sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, envy, drunkeness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 5:5 Be sure of this, that no immoral or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolator) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for it is because of these things that the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.

2 Thess 1:7-10 …when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance upon those who do not know God and upon those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They shall suffer the punishment of eternal destruction and exclusion from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, 1:10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, …

So we are catholics so hung up on Sin? Do they study the bible? Do they celebrate Jesus dying on the cross and our gift of Grace? What is mortal sin? thanks

Not sure what you mean by “hung up on Sin”. We’re aware of how displeasing it is to God and how we can risk our salvation by deliberately living in serious sin and refusing to repent and try to change. I call that being wise, not “hung up”.

The word “mortal” means fatal, causing death, deadly, etc.
Mortal sin is sin that causes us to lose the supernatural life of grace (saving/justifying/sanctifying grace) that we received in Baptism. When that grace from God is not present in our soul, our soul is “dead” in sin.

Catholicism teaches that things are require in order for a sin to be mortal.
Here are some paragraphs from the Catechism of the Catholic Church regarding mortal sin.
1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is** grave matter** and which is also committed with** full knowledge** and** deliberate consent**."131

1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."132 The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.

1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God’s law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart133 do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.

(You can read the whole section on mortal sin here:
vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P6C.HTM#6)

 

[Tantum_ergo]

I consider my self just a Christian. I go to church where we believe you are born again if you accept Jesus in your Heart and let the holy spirit change. That’s a fairly recent teaching of men. They celebrate Jesus dying on the cross for us and we are covered by the blood of Jesus. When I go to Mass or Catholic church I feel most people are just bench warmers and have not even studied the bible or really now why Jesus died. And you discern these people’s minds and hearts and souls just how now? You think that we don’t know why Jesus died? did you even LISTEN to what was said at Mass because it makes it QUITE clear. Did you listen to Catholics making a profession of faith at every Mass? Praising God (Gloria) in every Mass? Celebrating His Death and Resurrection in every Mass? Praying the Our Father in every Mass? Asking Him to heal our souls in every Mass? Reaching out to our fellow Catholics in a sign of peace at every Mass? Going forth to love and serve the Lord with thanks at the end of every Mass? My gosh, what do you base your FEELINGS on, friend??? What gives you the RIGHT to make such a broad (and wrong) generalization and to stand in condemnation of your fellow Christians?
My question is do Catholics believe we are saved because we are covered by the blood of Jesus so even we are saved and live a homosexual lifestyle/have addictions/ or just sin are we still saved? We have been saved, we are being saved and we will be saved, provided that we cooperate with Christ (as St. Paul says) by accepting our salvation. We are not ‘once saved always saved’ because this is not an authentic Christian teaching.

My Christian friend said we are and there is no where in the bible that says we are not saved except the only mortal sin is blasphemy of the Holy spirit and denying Jesus Christ as Lord. And other notable Christians disagree with him. Now, how do you know that your Christian friend hears the REAL Spirit, and those other Christians didn’t?

So we are catholics so hung up on Sin? If you mean ‘why’, um, we aren’t ‘hung up’. We are simply striving to do God’s will. God does not will us to sin.Do they study the bible? yes indeed and we always have. In fact, we were the ones who under the guidance of the Spirit decided what went INTO the Bible.Do they celebrate Jesus dying on the cross and our gift of Grace? Every day and minute, and especially at Mass.What is mortal sin?Just what John said it was, a sin unto death. thanks you’re welcome.

 

[QNDNNDQDCE]

I would urge you to reconsider how the phrase “born again” is used in the Bible. The most famous passage is John 3.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:3-7)

Jesus Christ explains that to be born again is to be born of water and the Spirit, by which is meant baptism (cf. John 3:22).

St. Peter also speaks of being “born again.”

“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.” (1 Peter 1:23)

I don’t know about you, but that reminds me of Romans 6.

“Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.” (Romans 6:4)

 

[Miriam1947]

See how Catholics proclaim we are saved:

By believing in Christ (Jn 3:16; Acts 16:31)

By repentance (Acts 2:38; 2 Pet 3:9)

By baptism (Jn 3:5; 1 Pet 3:21; Titus 3:5)

By eating his flesh and drinking his blood (Jn 6)

By the work of the Spirit (Jn 3:5; 2 Cor 3:6)

By declaring with our mouths (Lk 12:8; Rom 10:9)

By coming to a knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4; Heb 10:26)

By works (Rom 2:6-7; James 2:24)

By grace (Acts 15:11; Eph 2:8)

By his blood (Rom 5:9; Heb 9:22)

By his righteousness (Rom 5:17; 2 Pet 1:1)

By keeping the commandments (Matt 19:17)

By our words (Matt 12:37)

By enduring to the end…Matt.24:13

Thanks PRmerger

 

[CarolNoel]

/QUO

Great Answers Tantum ergo:thumbsup:

 

[melekali]

I consider my self just a Christian. I go to church where we believe you are born again if you accept Jesus in your Heart and let the holy spirit change. They celebrate Jesus dying on the cross for us and we are covered by the blood of Jesus. When I go to Mass or Catholic church I feel most people are just bench warmers and have not even studied the bible or really now why Jesus died.

My question is do Catholics believe we are saved because we are covered by the blood of Jesus so even we are saved and live a homosexual lifestyle/have addictions/ or just sin are we still saved?

My Christian friend said we are and there is no where in the bible that says we are not saved except the only mortal sin is blasphemy of the Holy spirit and denying Jesus Christ as Lord.

So we are catholics so hung up on Sin? Do they study the bible? Do they celebrate Jesus dying on the cross and our gift of Grace? What is mortal sin? thanks

God’s peace and grace be with you.

You have many questions. Too many ideas in one post really make it difficult to keep the conversation focused. I will just focus on one area. I hope that’s okay with you. I’m sure many will respond to differing areas of your questions.

As Catholics we rely upon God’s mercy which is greater than judgment (see James). This does not get us off the hook from striving to live lives pleasing to God (perhaps what you perceive as being “hung up on sin”). Our Church teaches us that even our desire to please Him (even if we fail miserably in lived reality) truly pleases Him.

The idea of mortal sin comes in Scripture from 1 John, the sin that leads to death in contrast to the sin that does not lead to death, venial (recommend you read the letter). There are two conditions for every sin: you have to 1) know it is wrong and 2) want to do it anyway. What makes a sin mortal is the third condition: 3) serious matter (like murder or willfully missing mass).

If you wish to continue the conversation privately, please feel free to message me. God bless you.

 

[fhansen]

I consider my self just a Christian. I go to church where we believe you are born again if you accept Jesus in your Heart and let the holy spirit change. They celebrate Jesus dying on the cross for us and we are covered by the blood of Jesus. When I go to Mass or Catholic church I feel most people are just bench warmers and have not even studied the bible or really now why Jesus died.

My question is do Catholics believe we are saved because we are covered by the blood of Jesus so even we are saved and live a homosexual lifestyle/have addictions/ or just sin are we still saved?

My Christian friend said we are and there is no where in the bible that says we are not saved except the only mortal sin is blasphemy of the Holy spirit and denying Jesus Christ as Lord.

So we are catholics so hung up on Sin? Do they study the bible? Do they celebrate Jesus dying on the cross and our gift of Grace? What is mortal sin? thanks

Sin is what separated man from God to begin with-sin is opposition to the very will of God! He didn’t suddenly decide to ignore sin, as if His will no longer matters! Rather the purpose of the Atonement is to restore all things, to restore righteousness to God’s kingdom by turning man back to God and enabling him to live as he was created to live-that’s the New Covenant, whereby God becomes the God of man again and begins a work in him-of placing His laws on our hearts and writing them in our minds (Jer 31), to not only forgive sin but to help us ‘go, and sin no more’. God didn’t create us to sin, after all. If sin isn’t important Jesus might as well have stayed home in heaven-there was no need for all the pain and drama; God could’ve just forgave and forgot both past as well as future sins with no need for repentance of either. We’re to die to sin as well and begin living as Jesus did, according to the will of the Father. He helps us to achieve this to the extent we remain in communion with Him. “Apart from Me you can do nothing”.

 

[Eldee]

I want to be known first as a Christian, as a follower of Christ, Savior of the world.
Am I happy to be a member of the community called Catholic Christian? Yes, indeed.

 

[steve_b]

I consider my self just a Christian. I go to church where we believe you are born again if you accept Jesus in your Heart and let the holy spirit change. They celebrate Jesus dying on the cross for us and we are covered by the blood of Jesus. When I go to Mass or Catholic church I feel most people are just bench warmers and have not even studied the bible or really now why Jesus died.

Maybe some there don’t. But the fact they are at mass, they are doing exactly what Our Lord commanded providing they are without mortal sin on their soul. Because they receive the Eucharist, which is His body blood soul and divinity.
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My question is do Catholics believe we are saved because we are covered by the blood of Jesus so even we are saved and live a homosexual lifestyle/have addictions/ or just sin are we still saved?

Catholics do NOT believe what’s highlighted.

Didn’t you just finish judging Catholics for not studying the bible? I don’t know which bible you’re reading from but mine condemns the homosexual lifestyle i.e. acting out one’s sin.

Notice the passage in red. I put the Greek word there for clarification just in case some translations leave the passage ambiguous.

If one is living in these sins and dies in them they will go straight to hell.

• Titus 3: 10 Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, 11knowing that such a man is )perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.
• Ephesians 5: 3-5 fornication, covetousness……5 Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
• Hebrews 10:25-26 missing mass deliberately, no sacrifice for sin for THEM but a fiery judgement that consumes the adversaries of God.
• Hebrews 12: 16 - 17 immoraliy, is selling your inheritance
• Galatians 5: 19 - 21 sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, will not inherit heaven
• Romans 16:17… dividers don’t serve our Lord but themselves. Stay away from them. Satan will soon be crushed under your feet
• Colossians 3: 5-6 immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry, …rath of God is coming
• 1 Corinthians 6: 9 - 10 no sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexual offenders ,ἀρσενοκοίτης *arsenokoitēs] *10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
• Matthew 15: 19 - 20 murder, adultery, false witness, slander…defile a man

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My Christian friend said we are and there is no where in the bible that says we are not saved except the only mortal sin is blasphemy of the Holy spirit and denying Jesus Christ as Lord.

Now you know differently.
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So why are catholics so hung up on Sin? Do they study the bible? Do they celebrate Jesus dying on the cross and our gift of Grace? What is mortal sin? thanks

Allow me to educate you on a few things.

That list of sins above, mentioned in the epistles and letters, came from the HS inspiring the apostle to write that, and the HS received it from Jesus [John 16:12-15 (Douay-Rheims Bible, John Chapter 16) Which means Jesus, the one who will judge all souls, is telling you how He will judge those sins…understand? He takes it very seriously. After being educated, only a fool would think otherwise

 

[mdc6070]

Whilst everyone else demonstrate to you how well Catholics know the Bible, I’ll say two things you need to know.

The Bible is a Catholic Book! It was compiled by The Church and the Canon set by The Church in about 387AD and CLOSED by Pope Damasus in 401AD and confirmed ‘closed’ at the Council of Trent! Jesus is THE WORD of God, not Scriptures! The Word Lives!!..whilst The Scriptures attest to Him and The Church he started.

If you’re ‘warming the bench’ you’re not listening and appreciating what is happening around you! In 3-years, during Mass, every Catholic hears the Bible in it’s entirety almost! The Mass is the actual Bible in motion because it is Scriptures being lived out as set out by The Apostles from the teaching of their Rabbi, Our Master!

Learn more on the two points above - as well as take heed of what the others are pointing out - and you will appreciate your Faith better and begin to understand what Catholic means and why we seem ‘different’ to all others.

Not entirely…The catholic Church of Pope Damascus was a very different Church than the current Catholic Church. Hence why Protestantism came into existence - too many believed that the original Church had gone astray.

 

[Randy_Carson]

Folks,

The OP has not followed up with any of the responses in the past two weeks.

I’m guessing this was a one-hit wonder, and the matter can be dropped.