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I’m still curious what it means to Orthodox that Jesus prayed specifically for Peter while Satan wanted to “sift them all like wheat.” What is the significance of His switch from plural to singular?

Luke 22:31 "Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, { The Greek word for b you b ( twice in this verse ) is plural; in verse 32, all four instances are singular } that he might sift you like wheat,

32 but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers. "
 
dronald said:
I’m still curious what it means to Orthodox that Jesus prayed specifically for Peter while Satan wanted to “sift them all like wheat.” What is the significance of His switch from plural to singular?

Luke 22:31 "Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, { The Greek word for b you b ( twice in this verse ) is plural; in verse 32, all four instances are singular } that he might sift you like wheat,

32 but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers. "
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Because Peter is infallible and the other apostles are not 😃
 
joe371 said:
Post 155 is an example of being anti something. I do not see any Catholics being anti-Orthodox. You and I (all Catholics) believe that the Orthodox Churches have apostolic pedigree with valid sacraments. I wish it was reciprocated. 😦
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I see nothing “anti” about post 155.
 
Paul_Edwards said:
The key word is S at the end of “dyptych”, if there is more than one at the same time then it doesn’t seem like unity
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Do you know what a diptych is, Paul? They vary according to whatever church you are looking at. The Roman communion does not have one diptych, either (and the Latin church specifically doesn’t even maintain the liturgical recitation of the diptych, so how is commemorating/recognizing patriarchs, bishops, and saints somehow a sign of disunity while not recognizing them at all, as in the Latin case, such a greater show of unity?).
 
Paul_Edwards said:
The key word is S at the end of “dyptych”, if there is more than one at the same time then it doesn’t seem like unity
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This makes no sense at all to me. I don’t think you understand what dyptychs are. Furthermore, having more than one of something does not mean lack of unity.
 
joe371 said:
Post 155 is an example of being anti something. I do not see any Catholics being anti-Orthodox. You and I (all Catholics) believe that the Orthodox Churches have apostolic pedigree with valid sacraments. I wish it was reciprocated. 😦
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I see nothing in post 155 that suggests being against anything.
 
P.S. But, in all seriousness, I don’t see much use for this conversation unless we can put it in some kind of museum. I’m not about to have a conversation about whether diptychs implies disunity.
 
He’s talking about the ecclesiastical principles of his own church…who could know better? :confused:
 
dzheremi said:
Do you know what a diptych is, Paul? They vary according to whatever church you are looking at. The Roman communion does not have one diptych, either (and the Latin church specifically doesn’t even maintain the liturgical recitation of the diptych, so how is commemorating/recognizing patriarchs, bishops, and saints somehow a sign of disunity while not recognizing them at all, as in the Latin case, such a greater show of unity?).
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When did I claim the diptych is the visible unity? The Pope is our visible unity
 
A diptych is an object.

Just looked it up.

Well an object was not the type of unity I was talking about, I’m talking about heirarchal unity, proper visible unity.
 
Paul_Edwards said:
A diptych is an object.

Just looked it up.

Well an object was not the type of unity I was talking about, I’m talking about heirarchal unity, proper visible unity.
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The diptych being discussed in this thread is not an object. It refers to the list of patriarchs commemorated in the Divine Liturgy, so it certainly is a sign of unity.
 
RyanBlack said:
The diptych being discussed in this thread is not an object. It refers to the list of patriarchs commemorated in the Divine Liturgy, so it certainly is a sign of unity.
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It is not universal unity, you might aswell say: Bishops are a sign of unity, which is also true
 
Paul_Edwards said:
A diptych is an object.

Just looked it up.

Well an object was not the type of unity I was talking about, I’m talking about heirarchal unity, proper visible unity.
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Were the diptychs truly so unimportant as a sign of unity, one should have to wonder why the bishops of Rome always seemed quite concerned when bishops in other sees in would remove them from their diptychs.

But actually, diptychs have always been and still are in Orthodoxy the visible sign of hierarchical unity. To find out, for example, if Metropolitan Isaiah of Denver is in communion with Metropolitan Hilarion, all that I must do is check to see who each bishop commemorates. Since Metropolitan Isaiah commemorates Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, who commemorates Patriarch Kirill, who commemorates Metropolitan Hilarion, I know then that the two are in communion, by following merely the lines of hierarchical and administrative unity which are readily found in the diptychs.
 
Cavaradossi said:
Were the diptychs truly so unimportant as a sign of unity, one should have to wonder why the bishops of Rome always seemed quite concerned when bishops in other sees in would remove them from their diptychs.

But actually, diptychs have always been and still are in Orthodoxy the visible sign of hierarchical unity. To find out, for example, if Metropolitan Isaiah of Denver is in communion with Metropolitan Hilarion, all that I must do is check to see who each bishop commemorates. Since Metropolitan Isaiah commemorates Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, who commemorates Patriarch Kirill, who commemorates Metropolitan Hilarion, I know then that the two are in communion, by following merely the lines of hierarchical and administrative unity which are readily found in the diptychs.
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I NEVER said they are “unimportant as a sign of unity”, there is no doubt that they are “more” unity than “less”. But they are not complete universal unity.

All Bishops are important of unity.

I’m sick of people thinking I mean these positions are un-unity
 
Paul_Edwards said:
It is not universal unity, you might aswell say: Bishops are a sign of unity, which is also true
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Of course they are a sign of universal unity. In a patriarchal Divine Liturgy, the patriarch commemorates all the other patriarchs. Furthermore, in every Divine Liturgy, the people pray for the entire Church–bishops, priest, deacons, monastics, and laity. I don’t know how more “universal” you can get.
 
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