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Paul_Edwards said:
So it’s democracy among the synods?
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Each church has its own synod, with rules as to the makeup of the synod. A group of bishops who are not members of the synod can’t just declare themselves to be the synod, anymore than a group of Catholic bishops could declare themselves to be, say, the College of Cardinals. It has nothing to do with democracy, but adherence to established rules.
 
RyanBlack said:
A group of bishops who are not members of the synod can’t just declare themselves to be the synod, anymore than a group of Catholic bishops could declare themselves to be, say, the College of Cardinals.
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That’s because the Pope is above Bishops and Cardinals in the Catholic Church. But in the Orthodox Church nothing is above a synod.
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Paul_Edwards said:
That’s because the Pope is above Bishops and Cardinals in the Catholic Church. But in the Orthodox Church nothing is above a synod.
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Not so. The synods are bound by canon law and the laws of their particular churches.
 
Paul_Edwards said:
So other synods have to recognise that synod in order for it to not be in schism and not excommunicated? That doesn’t make sense if all synods are equal. If all synods are equal other synods can’t logically say “yours is not a valid synod” it would seem.

Unless there was a supreme synod which could say “your synod is not valid” that this doesn’t seem to make sense
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A synod which has no legitimacy cannot be said to be equal. The legitimacy of the Synods matters quite a bit. A group of Bishops don’t have legitimacy just because they have proclaimed they are a synod.
 
Nine_Two said:
A synod which has no legitimacy cannot be said to be equal. The legitimacy of the Synods matters quite a bit. A group of Bishops don’t have legitimacy just because they have proclaimed they are a synod.
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???

There is no bases for saying it’s not legitimate unless there is something required to make it legitimate. And if there is it must logically be higher than a synod. Unless it’s based on democracy (whether most already existing synods accept it) or something else you could mention maybe
 
Nine_Two said:
No, it is consensus.

It is also worth noting that in a Democracy everyone has a vote. Even if it were the matter of a vote between the synods, that would not be democracy.
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I meant democracy between the synods
 
Paul_Edwards said:
Who makes canon law?
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And with this question you’ve exhausted me as a source. What do you think?

Sorry Paul, but it seems you’re just trying to come up with gotcha scenarios.to prove the inferiority of our own system. You refuse to step out of a Latin mindset when dealing with something which is quite clearly not Latin.

If you are actually interested I’d suggest reading a book on the subject of Orthodox Ecclesiology. I’m sure there are many who could recommend them if you were to ask.
 
Nine_Two said:
And with this question you’ve exhausted me as a source. What do you think?

Sorry Paul, but it seems you’re just trying to come up with gotcha scenarios.to prove the inferiority of our own system. You refuse to step out of a Latin mindset when dealing with something which is quite clearly not Latin.

If you are actually interested I’d suggest reading a book on the subject of Orthodox Ecclesiology. I’m sure there are many who could recommend them if you were to ask.
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I was curious about how certain things work and got confused :crying:

God Bless You
 
Paul_Edwards said:
???

There is no bases for saying it’s not legitimate unless there is something required to make it legitimate.
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Yes, that would be logical. We’ve been over this.
And if there is it must logically be higher than a synod.
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No, we’ve been over this.
Unless it’s based on democracy (whether most already existing synods accept it) or something else you could mention maybe
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No.
 
Paul_Edwards said:
I was curious about how certain things work and got confused :crying:

God Bless You
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Again, if you are really interested you need to be willing to accept a different mindset. You’re just superimposing the Latin mindset on us when you’ve been told repeatedly that isn’t how things are viewed.
You insist that we must have a Latin hierarchical structure because apparently that is the only sort of structure that you believe can possibly work, nevermind Western based examples which have been given to you which suggest otherwise.

As I say, if you really want to understand drop your supposition that it must follow the same structural axioms of a Latin system and read a book.
 
Thankyou for teaching me the difference between democracy and consensus 🙂
 
RyanBlack said:
Neither do I agree with your assessment of thread, or with your characterization of the Orthodox.
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For the record, I literally just converted to the Catholic Church from the Orthodox Church. I have a pretty good idea on how Orthodoxy works.
 
RyanBlack said:
And I think this thread is a testament to the problem of western Catholics who won’t even attempt to understand Orthodoxy on its own terms, insisting that everything be discussed on Catholic, western terms.
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Is it as shocking when Orthodoxy does the same to Catholicism? Insisting everything be discussed on Orthodox, eastern terms?
 
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