Catholic Persecutions

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I had a Baptist Friend really rail on me on how the Catholics persecuted and killed many people hundreds of years ago "Bloody Mary, ect…) I did not know what to say. I am a former Baptist converted to Cathilicism not so long ago, I am begining to study more in depth. Any one have any refrences or counterclaims. I want to give him a response, but I have no materials.
 
Does your friend know that e.g. Anabaptists were persecuted by Protestants and Catholics alike? How come he only mentions Catholics en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabaptist

What about persecutions of Catholics in England?newadvent.org/cathen/05445a.htm (long reading)

Catholics were persecuted also in Scandinavia.

I’m not a historian but there has been lots going on on both sides pretty much. Strangely enough, it is the denominations that didn’t exist at that time that like to bring up persecutions and at the same time forget about their our modern-day persecutions of Catholics which are subtler and physically non-violent but still are there. Take a look at Chic Publications for example - that is something that any Christian should be ashamed of spreading - is that really in accordance to what Jesus said in his Sermon of the Mount?
 
So the Church has some history that isn’t very pretty. I can’t think of a religion that doesn’t have some bad history. I’d be more curious to know what his point is?

Is he suggesting that Catholicism doesn’t teach the truth, because some of the people in the Church make mistakes? That’s kind of the pot calling the kettle black. 🤷
 
Well, He is Baptist, therefore he does have a biased oppinion. I can tell you from personal experiece from being a former Baptist that they hate the Catholic Church. Now, since I have converted to Catholicism I see the truth in the Church. The Church Doctrine itself is without error, but people can fall into sin, that was what I say.
 
Religious bad behavior is in the Old Testament too; check out Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Malachi.

Re Reformation, folks often assume it was driven only by religious fervor. I would say that there were economic and political factors too behind it, that folks behind the scenes used people’s religious fervor to accomplish their ends. It gets pretty muddled.
Certain rulers wanted power and money, and saw the Church as a great source of this.
 
There’s a lot of biased and revisionist thinking going on with some (not all) Baptists and other protestants who accuse the “Catholic Church” of mass murders, often citing for example “Bloody Mary”. Of course, because under Mary–a Catholic queen of a kingdom in which the majority of the people were Catholic at the time–certain subjects were tried for the state crime of heresy and found guilty and executed, she personally is presented as the wicked agent of Catholic criminals. Her sister, Elizabeth, who ruled for 45 years as opposed to Mary’s 5, is considered the sine qua non of ‘advanced’ Protestant glory. Because in Elizabeth’s case, though, all those whom she had executed for treason --a ‘state’ not a ‘religious’ crime–pretty much happened to be Catholic and to be considered as guilty of treason precisely because they were Catholic– you’ll hear the bleats that " But nobody was killed for their religion under Elizabeth and the protestants-they were executed legally for **treason!

**well, under Mary execution for heresy was a ‘state’ matter as well. But you won’t hear that. No, Mary was Catholic, therefore she ‘personally’ was guilty of the blood of 'protestant martyrs. But Elizabeth was Protestant, and any who died on **her **watch were treasonous would-be regicides and there was nothing ‘religious’ about their legal deaths at all, at all. . .

Google “Edmund Campion” and watch your Baptist friend try to explain that this man’s death is absolutely, positively nothing at all to compare with someone ‘killed’ under that Bloody Mary . . .
 
I had a Baptist Friend really rail on me on how the Catholics persecuted and killed many people hundreds of years ago "Bloody Mary, ect…) I did not know what to say. I am a former Baptist converted to Cathilicism not so long ago, I am begining to study more in depth. Any one have any refrences or counterclaims. I want to give him a response, but I have no materials.
Tell her that if that’s how she judges the Church, the no one should ever be Christian at all. Why? Because of the first 12 Christians, the Apostles, there was Judas Iscariot who betrayed Jesus. There was Peter, the one He chose to lead the Church He established, but who denied Him three times! Then there’s the rest who, except for St. John, deserted Him in His hour of need.

The Church founded by Christ is guaranteed to have the fullness of Christ’s Divinely revealed truths, without error. It does not have a guarantee, though, that the members of His Church will be impeccable. That’s up to each individual as to whether they follow Christ’s teachings or not. That’s the test for each human being on earth.

If you’re interested in hearing some great lectures on Church History, please go to the following website (it’s free!):

alabamacatholicresources.com/church_history.html 🙂
 
thanks for that website scooby, I’m downloading some of those to my zune my self 🙂
 
I converted from So. Baptist to Roman Catholic, back in '68. During the mid '70’s I had a Methodist friend who was so anti-Catholic he was almost anti-Christ. I had to part ways and leave him behind, he wouldn’t hear reason. If your Baptist friend stays stuck in the Reformation Rhetoric…I call it the “500 year grudge”…after you try to tell him that Vatican II and the Holy Spirit during the '70’s corrected the indulgences and other Reformation gripes, you might consider what I had to do about my Methodist friend.

God is love,
Don
 
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