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zaida
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What is the Catholic position on anglicans/episcopalians who follow the “high church” tradition and consider themselves anglo-catholics?
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Michael85
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As an Anglo-Catholic, I can’t give the Catholic position on it, but I know that in the city of Christchurch, New Zealand, the Anglicans and Catholics used to have a joint Ash Wednesday service. I don’t know if they did it this year because of the earthquake which damaged both the Catholic and Anglican cathedrals.
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liturgyluver
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As ever it depends who you ask! Officially of course, Catholics believe that Anglicans - regardless of churchmanship - do not have aposoolic succession or a valid priesthood because of the changes to the ordination rite between 1549 and 1662.
Having said that there is a well-established Roman Catholic-Anglican International Commission which has acknowledged the similarity of position on the Eucharist, Our Lady, the Liturgical year, and the Sacraments.
In the UK there is a wide degree of ecumenism between Catholics and Anglicans - for example we recently attended the Advent Carol Service at our local Anglican Church (yes - they have a great robed choir and their music is more traditional and better than my parish). Archbishop Vincent Nichols also said recently that a strong Church of England helps the cause of the Christian Gospel. Although I am a loyal Catholic, I admire the beauty of the anglo-catholic liturgy. It’s a sad fact that even middle-of-the-road Anglican churches have a more traditional feel than most NO Catholic masses.
I should say too that the position varies from country to country. In France, for example, Anglicans are even allowed to receive the Blessed Sacrament if they are unable to travel to an Anglican church on a Sunday.
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zaida
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Thanks for the responses! Im going to check out the roman catholic anglican international commission. Any other good resourses I can look into?
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martininthefiel
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The Holy Father has invited Anglo-Catholic churches and clergy to ‘swim the Tiber’ and come into full communion with Rome.
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Theophorus
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Could I have a reference for that please, its not one I’ve heard before. As far as I was aware unless you are in communion with the Holy Father or in danger of death then you shouldn’t receive Holy communion.
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ESMDHokie77
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The Anglican Ordinariate!
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liturgyluver
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This is a copy of the text:
The Episcopal Conference of the Roman Catholic Church in France gave official permission for Anglicans living in France to be able to avail themselves of any of the sacraments, should they be geographically far from an Anglican chaplaincy. This was a radical and unique gesture of ecumenical goodwill. It means, in Eucharistic terms, that Anglicans have permission to receive Holy Communion in Roman Catholic Churches should they be unable to attend an Anglican Eucharist; those wishing to avail themselves of this privilege should introduce themselves to the local curé.
I have personal experience of this when I went to France with an Anglican friend and the priest told us that she could receive communion. This was a bit of a surprise to us both, and she politely declined, as she is used to not receiving when attending mass with me.
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Ubenedictus
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the CCC §1401 .The code of can. Law 844 §3,4 and the encyclical of pope Johnpaul ¡¡ Ecclesia de eucharistia 45 all agree that in special circumstance as approved by the bishop it is pemitted to administer the eucharist to individuals belonging to communities(approved by the bishop) not in full communion but share catholic faith regarding the sacrament and the proper disposition who cannot approach their own ministers.
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Ubenedictus
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the catholic church officially holds that the anglican priesthood is invalid and most sacrament therefore are also invalid. She also encourage members to seek full communion as is evident in recent documents that the chuch welcome anglican to catholicism while allowing them to preserve distinct elements of the anglican rite.
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Contarini
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This is interesting. I have heard about it on the Anglican side, but I thought it might be an unofficial practice by some French priests. Anglicans have a tendency to jump on anything that indicates that folks in your Communion see us as legitimate, and to make far more of such actions than is warranted!
I didn’t know (or possibly had forgotten) that there was in fact an official decision.
Perhaps my receiving communion in Germany was not sacrilegious after all (not officially authorized by the bishops, certainly, but bishops clearly can’t authorize sacrilege!).
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Matthew_Holford
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I am interested to know why you wrote “anglicans/episcopalians”. Episcopalians are Anglicans, so why distinguish them?
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Contarini
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Because not all Anglicans are Episcopalians, and this is very confusing to many people!
Anglicans outside the U.S. are not usually called Episcopalians (Mexico and Scotland are two exceptions). And at this point, there are various Anglican groups inside the U.S. which are not part of the Episcopal Church, and are not directly recognized by the Anglican Communion (though some of them are under the authority of African or other bishops who are part of the Communion).
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puzzleannie
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whatever they may call themselves, they are not Catholic unless the enter into full communion with the CAtholic Church through a profession of faith and confirmation by a Catholic bishop in the line of apostolic succession.
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grandfather
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Where the pope is, there is the Church.
The head of the Catholic Church is the pope. The pope decides what and who is Catholic.
The head of the Anglican Church is the Queen of England, and the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams is the cleric who seems to be at least some sort of figurehead ministerial leader.
If the head of your denomination is a king or queen it is not Catholic.
Anglican claim they are Catholic. Their royal leaders put to death many martyrs who were loyal to the pope as head of the Church.
They are not Catholic. They are welcome to become Catholic. To do so they would have to come under obedience to Rome, recognize the pope’s authority and reject the queen’s authority to govern the Church. They would also have to acknowledge that women can not be priests or bishops and those women who are acting as such would need to find other employment. Until that happens they are pretending to be Catholic.
Saint Edmund Campion, pray for us. Saint Margaret Clitherow, pray for us. Saint Robert Salt, pray for us.
The head of the Catholic Church is the pope. The pope decides what and who is Catholic.
The head of the Anglican Church is the Queen of England, and the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams is the cleric who seems to be at least some sort of figurehead ministerial leader.
If the head of your denomination is a king or queen it is not Catholic.
Anglican claim they are Catholic. Their royal leaders put to death many martyrs who were loyal to the pope as head of the Church.
They are not Catholic. They are welcome to become Catholic. To do so they would have to come under obedience to Rome, recognize the pope’s authority and reject the queen’s authority to govern the Church. They would also have to acknowledge that women can not be priests or bishops and those women who are acting as such would need to find other employment. Until that happens they are pretending to be Catholic.
Saint Edmund Campion, pray for us. Saint Margaret Clitherow, pray for us. Saint Robert Salt, pray for us.
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Conor7
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FACT CHECK:
Queen Elizabeth is Supreme Governor of the Church of England, not the Anglican Communion.
Archbishop Rowan Williams, the See of Canterbury, is the symbolic head of the Worldwide Anglican Communion.
Additionally, the Roman Catholic Church doesn’t have trademark rights to the word “catholic.” Roman Catholics are only part of worldwide catholicism.
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grandfather
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That is correct and Anglicans are not part of that institution. They may pretend to be, insist they are, or want to be. Their priesthood is invalid based soley on the fact that they claim women as priests. There are no Catholic women priests. Ask the pope.
English royalty for centuries are forbidden from marrying Catholics and Anglicans try to call themselves by that name. It really is absurd.
The queen is a symbolic head of the country and the archbihop is a symbolic head. Symbols are symbols. It is all make believe and they know it.
Rome is calling. It is not make believe. Do the right thing.
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Conor7
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And which pope shall I ask? Joan?
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