Catholic Pro-Life Group Presents President Bush Award

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Washington, DC – A national Catholic business group is slated to present an award to former President George W. Bush tonight honoring him for his lengthy record combating abortions during his administration. The event will also see Legatus honoring Cardinal Francis George and hearing from Newt Gingrich.

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Washington, DC – A national Catholic business group is slated to present an award to former President George W. Bush tonight honoring him for his lengthy record combating abortions during his administration. The event will also see Legatus honoring Cardinal Francis George and hearing from Newt Gingrich.

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Great. Wonder how all those who have relatives killed (and being killed) during the unjust war Bush started would feel about this “pro-life” award.

And what did he do regarding abortion? Nothing.
 
Great. Wonder how all those who have relatives killed (and being killed) during the unjust war Bush started would feel about this “pro-life” award.

And what did he do regarding abortion? Nothing.
Which war are you talking about? Both? In any event, you’re assuming your premise; the latter being that “it” is an unjust war. If Iraq (which liberals claim is unjust while defending Afghanistan because Obama is expanding it; perhaps you don’t) then it’s possible the million people Saddam killed would dispute your premise, if they could speak. For them, of course, the “unjust war” came too late. Possibly you would think it more just if he had killed two million. Or would you perhaps have required three million?
 
Great. Wonder how all those who have relatives killed (and being killed) during the unjust war Bush started would feel about this “pro-life” award.

And what did he do regarding abortion? Nothing.
He did quite a bit regarding abortion. He nominated pro-life judges consistently. He reinstated bans on foriegn aid money from being used for abortion. And never forget the speech he gave when he announced the prohibiting of federal funds for stem-cell research, it was one of the best reasoned arguments against stem-cell research that I have ever heard (our Bishops should have been taking notes).

He was probably our most consistent pro-life president ever.
 
He did quite a bit regarding abortion. He nominated pro-life judges consistently. He reinstated bans on foriegn aid money from being used for abortion. And never forget the speech he gave when he announced the prohibiting of federal funds for stem-cell research, it was one of the best reasoned arguments against stem-cell research that I have ever heard (our Bishops should have been taking notes).

He was probably our most consistent pro-life president ever.
Giving speeches and appointing judges has not advanced the pro-life (anti-abortion) situation in America since 1973 by any President.
 
Which war are you talking about? Both? In any event, you’re assuming your premise; the latter being that “it” is an unjust war. If Iraq (which liberals claim is unjust while defending Afghanistan because Obama is expanding it; perhaps you don’t) then it’s possible the million people Saddam killed would dispute your premise, if they could speak. For them, of course, the “unjust war” came too late. Possibly you would think it more just if he had killed two million. Or would you perhaps have required three million?
It’s not only “liberals” (whoever they are) that claim the Iraq war is unjust, it clearly does not meet Catholic just war criteria.

One example (and there are oh so many more) is Cardinal Ratzinger’s interview related here:
zenit.org/article-5398?l=english
 
Great. Wonder how all those who have relatives killed (and being killed) during the unjust war Bush started would feel about this “pro-life” award.

And what did he do regarding abortion? Nothing.
He did do something about abortion. Remember the partial birth abortion ban? :confused:
 
Giving speeches and appointing judges has not advanced the pro-life (anti-abortion) situation in America since 1973 by any President.
He also pulled US support for birth control pills and abortion being imposed on 3rd world countries by the UN. There’s a lot Bush did–but his detractors don’t bother to find out these things for themselves when it’s all too easy to take armchair potshots based on personal bias/left wing propaganda instead of facts.
 
It’s not only “liberals” (whoever they are) that claim the Iraq war is unjust, it clearly does not meet Catholic just war criteria.

One example (and there are oh so many more) is Cardinal Ratzinger’s interview related here:
zenit.org/article-5398?l=english
You still haven’t told me whether you also say the Afghanistan War is unjust. Is it? If not, why not? If you just avoid the question further, we will only have to conclude that, to you, the Afghan/Pakistan war is "just’ ONLY because Obama has escalated it and that, therefore, your position is political, not based on the teachings of the Church.

Then-Cdl Ratzinger’s statement was made in advance of knowing the UN had been corrupted by Saddam Hussein. He couldn’t know, because the evidence was discovered only after the allies deposed Saddam. I request that you quote and source Pope Benedict after the war started, saying the war is unjust. I know you can’t do it, because he didn’t say it.

So, I think readers would find it interesting to see you demonstrate that the Iraq
war does not meet Just War criteria, not just say it. And, if you do NOT think the Af/Pak War is unjust, to demonstrate that it is not.
 
The catechism’s requirements for a “just war” are:
Code:
1. the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must 
    be lasting, grave, and certain;
2. all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or 
    ineffective;
3. there must be serious prospects of success;
4. the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be 
    eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in 
    evaluating this condition.
Iraq does not meet #1 since Iraq was known at the time to not be an aggressor. Harboring (possibly, though we now know they weren’t) an aggressor is not the same as being an aggressor.

Iraq does not meet #2 since even the U.N. inspectors said that the inspections should continue and that they were effective.

Iraq does not meet #3 since there was never any definition of what “success” would entail and therefore there could not possibly exist any serious prospects of it.

Iraq does not meet #4 since our reasoning for invading had to do with 9/11 and NOT Hussein’s atrocities. In fact, we are complicit in his evil acts since we helped to establish him as Iraq’s leader. When just looking at our reasons for invading - possible WMDs and Iraq’s supposed (though now proven false) connection to 9/11 - it is clear that our response is completely out of proportion. 5,000 U.S. citizens died on 9/11 and, according to U.N. sources, as many as 100,000 people (Iraqi citizens as well as military personnel) have died as a result of our invasion.

Thus, Iraq was, and is, an unjust war.

I personally think Afghanistan was, and is, unjust as well just so you don’t think this is political for me. This is a moral issue.
 
Giving speeches and appointing judges has not advanced the pro-life (anti-abortion) situation in America since 1973 by any President.
Well, you are wrong. First of all, a president is limited to what he can do by our constitution. Secondly, since the pro-abortion adgenda has been advanced in this country mainly through the courts and not the legislatures, appointing pro-life judges is a key way of stemming the tide. Most importantly, the abortion problem is going to be finally solved through a change in our culture. If we do not have national leaders on board, this is much more difficult. The president has a bully pulpit. It makes a difference when presidents are consistently outspoken against abortion. It is intangible, but I would hate to imagine the state of the pro-life cause in our country without the likes of Reagan and Bushes being president to help it being kept in the mind of the nation.

President Bush was a great pro-life president.
 
Well, you are wrong. First of all, a president is limited to what he can do by our constitution. Secondly, since the pro-abortion adgenda has been advanced in this country mainly through the courts and not the legislatures, appointing pro-life judges is a key way of stemming the tide. Most importantly, the abortion problem is going to be finally solved through a change in our culture. If we do not have national leaders on board, this is much more difficult. The president has a bully pulpit. It makes a difference when presidents are consistently outspoken against abortion. It is intangible, but I would hate to imagine the state of the pro-life cause in our country without the likes of Reagan and Bushes being president to help it being kept in the mind of the nation.

President Bush was a great pro-life president.
Any facts or statistics to back up your claim? How has the abortion rate been reduced by speeches, or appointing judges, or by President Bush?
 
Any facts or statistics to back up your claim? How has the abortion rate been reduced by speeches, or appointing judges, or by President Bush?
You’re the one challenging the rightness of the award. It’s up to you to produce proof that Bush didn’t deserve it. And you know perfectly well that unless someone does a study on the topic, there’s no way to show how any action by Bush affected anything. However, that’s not the point, and you know it. The point is he got an award for his pro-life stance–one that is sadly lacking in the current administration or any other Democratic one before or since Bush was in office.
 
It would be nice if the major television networks would cover this event and pro-life award to President Bush. Not likely, though.
 
It would be nice if the major television networks would cover this event and pro-life award to President Bush. Not likely, though.
Of course they won’t; first because it’s a prolife award, and second because it is given to
Bush.
 
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