Catholic Question - The Making of a Saint

[Xavierlives]

I was listening to EWTN radio two weeks ago and there was a discussion going on about “young saints.”

The story as I recall it was there was a young European girl who developed cancer. She had a phrase she said when people would talk to her about her cancer (something like “Not my will, but God’s” or “What pleases God, pleases me” or some phrase that showed submission to God’s plan in her life). The girl eventually died. Then the story progessed to say that a young boy developed menegitis and was praying to this girl and he was healed.

So this girl is credited with a “miracle” and is now in line for being made a saint.

I am confused about the making of saints and am hoping someone can clear up the requirements.

 

[crazzeto]

I was listening to EWTN radio two weeks ago and there was a discussion going on about “young saints.”

The story as I recall it was there was a young European girl who developed cancer. She had a phrase she said when people would talk to her about her cancer (something like “Not my will, but God’s” or “What pleases God, pleases me” or some phrase that showed submission to God’s plan in her life). The girl eventually died. Then the story progessed to say that a young boy developed menegitis and was praying to this girl and he was healed.

So this girl is credited with a “miracle” and is now in line for being made a saint.

I am confused about the making of saints and am hoping someone can clear up the requirements.

Saint - is someone who is in heaven, so the making of a saint quite frankly was Gods plan from the start. I think what you’re really asking, is why are some recognized, why does God work miricles on earth through some. I believe the answer is simply, because through his divine providence he has determained than a particular inidividual can serve his plan of pulmigating the Gosples. The church recognizes these individuals (and caononizes them) by careful study of their life, and the confirmation of at least two miricles in their name.

 

[Spencerian]

I was listening to EWTN radio two weeks ago and there was a discussion going on about “young saints.”

The story as I recall it was there was a young European girl who developed cancer. She had a phrase she said when people would talk to her about her cancer (something like “Not my will, but God’s” or “What pleases God, pleases me” or some phrase that showed submission to God’s plan in her life). The girl eventually died.Then the story progessed to say that a young boy developed menegitis and was praying to this girl and he was healed.

So this girl is credited with a “miracle” and is now in line for being made a saint.

I am confused about the making of saints and am hoping someone can clear up the requirements.

Hi.

Technically, anyone who has made it to heaven is a saint (“holy one”) by definition.

The Catholic Church, since 1173, has formalized a process where a person’s life is reviewed, particularly if someone had made a petition to that person to intercede for them to God and, as a result, God provided a miraculous healing or resolution for that person. If the Church can document and verify two miracles as a result of intercessory prayer to a person, then that person is eligible for canonization–officially declaring that the deceased person is in heaven.

Since you’re marked as a Protestant on your post, please understand that in heaven, as we would ask others here alive with us to pray for each other, for all prayers go to God**or **. We simply see saints as those who might have a special influence or dedication to aid us on earth, as supported in Revelations 8:3-4, where John sees angels carrying the prayers of saints to God.

Before 1173, many people who are considered saints were made so by popular acclaim. In short, people thought their lives were so holy that tradition considered them to be. The Apostles and Mary are such examples.

A more long-winded but detailed description of canonization can be found here on the Catholic Encyclopedia. Hope that answers your question!

 

[Xavierlives]

Hi.

Technically, anyone who has made it to heaven is a saint (“holy one”) by definition.

The Catholic Church, since 1173, has formalized a process where a person’s life is reviewed, particularly if someone had made a petition to that person to intercede for them to God and, as a result, God provided a miraculous healing or resolution for that person. If the Church can document and verify two miracles as a result of intercessory prayer to a person, then that person is eligible for canonization–officially declaring that the deceased person is in heaven.

Since you’re marked as a Protestant on your post, please understand that Catholics pray to each other, living or in heaven, as we would ask others here alive with us to pray for each other, for all prayers go to God. We simply see saints as those who might have a special influence or dedication to aid us on earth, as supported in Revelations 8:3-4, where John sees angels carrying the prayers of saints to God.

Err… I don’t think I’ve ever heard this one before. You pray to a living person?

 

[Loboto-Me]

Err… I don’t think I’ve ever heard this one before. You pray to a living person?

**pray definition **
pray (prā)
transitive verb

1. 
   *]to implore or beseech: now seldom used except as the elliptical form of “I pray you” pray tell me
   *]to ask for by prayer or supplication; beg for imploringly
   *]to recite (a prayer)
   *]to bring about, get, etc. by praying
   
   Etymology: ME preien < OFr preier < LL precare, for L precari < prex (gen. precis), prayer < IE **pre-, var. of base **per-, question > Ger frage, question
   
   intransitive verb
   1. 
      *]to ask very earnestly; make supplication, as to a deity
      *]to worship God, a god, etc., as by reciting certain set formulas
      
      When praying to a saint we don’t use the “To worship” definition… we only worship God. We use the other “pray” such as beseech, implore, ask.
      
      When we speak to living people we often ask them or implore them… THAT is the definition used here. Think of Shakespear
      
      Nay, I told you your son was well beloved in Padua. Do you hear, sir? To leave frivolous circumstances, I pray you tell Signor Lucentio that his father is come from Pisa and is here at the door to speak with him. (The Taming of the Shrew)

 

[Xavierlives]

Saint - is someone who is in heaven, so the making of a saint quite frankly was Gods plan from the start. I think what you’re really asking, is why are some recognized, why does God work miricles on earth through some. I believe the answer is simply, because through his divine providence he has determained than a particular inidividual can serve his plan of pulmigating the Gosples. The church recognizes these individuals (and caononizes them) by careful study of their life, and the confirmation of at least two miricles in their name.

Well it is some worldly acknowledgement of some heavenly act that has me confused. Lets just say for a brief moment, a miracle occurred in my presence. That while it was all unfolding, I was asking Christ for a miracle. Did I do a miracle? Did I bring a dead child back to life? The answer is always no. I do not do miracles. I never have, I never will. God is the source of all miracles and only he should be glorified in them.

 

[Xavierlives]

**pray definition **
pray (prā)
transitive verb

1. 
   *]to implore or beseech: now seldom used except as the elliptical form of “I pray you” pray tell me
   *]to ask for by prayer or supplication; beg for imploringly
   *]to recite (a prayer)
   *]to bring about, get, etc. by praying
   
   Etymology: ME preien < OFr preier < LL precare, for L precari < prex (gen. precis), prayer < IE **pre-, var. of base **per-, question > Ger frage, question
   
   intransitive verb
   1. 
      *]to ask very earnestly; make supplication, as to a deity
      *]to worship God, a god, etc., as by reciting certain set formulas
      
      When praying to a saint we don’t use the “To worship” definition… we only worship God. We use the other “pray” such as beseech, implore, ask.
      
      When we speak to living people we often ask them or implore them… THAT is the definition used here. Think of Shakespear
      
      Nay, I told you your son was well beloved in Padua. Do you hear, sir? To leave frivolous circumstances, I pray you tell Signor Lucentio that his father is come from Pisa and is here at the door to speak with him. (The Taming of the Shrew)

1. 1. 
      I never said “worship.” I said, “You pray to a living person?” As in, do you pray to Fr. John Corapi, now?

 

[Spencerian]

I never said “worship.” I said, “You pray to a living person?” As in, do you pray to Fr. John Corapi, now?

As noted earlier, the definition of “pray” means, strictly, “to tell.”

When we pray to saints, we do **not **send prayers as a form of worship. All worship goes to God and can never go anywhere else.

If you were to ask me to pray for you, I would pray to God. I could do so directly (to the Father or the Son), or, if I knew of a saint who has a penchant for special needs related to you, I would pray to that saint to make an intercession that also goes directly to God.

Neither the person who prays, either to God or a saint, nor does a saint themselves have power. For a prayer to work, it **must **go to God. We believe that saints, as humans of good example, may also 'put in a good word" for additional help from God.

On your earlier question: I may have mistyped. We pray *to *God. We pray for help from God by the intercession of a saint (alive in Christ in heaven).

 

[twopekinguys]

Well it is some worldly acknowledgement of some heavenly act that has me confused. Lets just say for a brief moment, a miracle occurred in my presence. That while it was all unfolding, I was asking Christ for a miracle. Did I do a miracle? Did I bring a dead child back to life? The answer is always no. I do not do miracles. I never have, I never will. God is the source of all miracles and only he should be glorified in them.

If I am reading your posts correctly, you are under the impression that Saint insert name here is performing the miracle in question.

The answer to that is no, that saint is not performing the miracle, it is God that is doing it. What God is doing is answering the request of that particular saint.

In your example using the sick child that prayed to the little girl who had died, the miracle may be “attributed” to her because of her intercession, not because she performed it.

Sometimes that can be misconstrued as saint X “performing” a miracle, when it really means that Saint X took the prayerful petitions to the Throne of God, and the miracle was granted.

I hope this helps.

 

[Xavierlives]

If I am reading your posts correctly, you are under the impression that Saint insert name here is performing the miracle in question.

The answer to that is no, that saint is not performing the miracle, it is God that is doing it. What God is doing is answering the request of that particular saint.

In your example using the sick child that prayed to the little girl who had died, the miracle may be “attributed” to her because of her intercession, not because she performed it.

Sometimes that can be misconstrued as saint X “performing” a miracle, when it really means that Saint X took the prayerful petitions to the Throne of God, and the miracle was granted.

I hope this helps.

More than you know.

Although, I still have a concern about some public acknowledgement of the person. In life I know I do nothing under my own power. In death, I have no reason to believe this will be any different. I am told not to do things as the publicans who say things “HERE-HERE! Look at me, I am praying. Or, HERE-HERE, Look at me, I am fasting!” But instead I am told to pray in secret. I am instructed to fast in secret. So if someone said, “WHOA! Look at him. Lets acknowledge him for his faith.” I’d say, no. Don’t recognize me, because I do nothing but through him that is in me. None is of me, so do not recognize me, but recognize him that is in me. You do not look a a beautiful house and say, “WOW! The hammer that made that house is fantastic. You look to the carpenter and say, that carpenter is fantastic.”

We are just tools.

 

[crazzeto]

Well it is some worldly acknowledgement of some heavenly act that has me confused. Lets just say for a brief moment, a miracle occurred in my presence. That while it was all unfolding, I was asking Christ for a miracle. Did I do a miracle? Did I bring a dead child back to life? The answer is always no. I do not do miracles. I never have, I never will. God is the source of all miracles and only he should be glorified in them.

We don’t perform miricles, nor do the Saints in heaven. We can interceed for eachother, and so can the Saints in heaven. God may then perform a miricle on behalf of the prayers of the interceeding saint (or individual) if it pleases him. Christ is different, in that he can perform miricles, because he is God.

Does this help?

 

[twopekinguys]

More than you know.

Although, I still have a concern about some public acknowledgement of the person. In life I know I do nothing under my own power. In death, I have no reason to believe this will be any different. I am told not to do things as the publicans who say things “HERE-HERE! Look at me, I am praying. Or, HERE-HERE, Look at me, I am fasting!” But instead I am told to pray in secret. I am instructed to fast in secret. So if someone said, “WHOA! Look at him. Lets acknowledge him for his faith.” I’d say, no. Don’t recognize me, because I do nothing but through him that is in me. None is of me, so do not recognize me, but recognize him that is in me. You do not look a a beautiful house and say, “WOW! The hammer that made that house is fantastic. You look to the carpenter and say, that carpenter is fantastic.”

We are just tools.

You are right that we shouldn’t do things for the attention. But, acknowledging someone, living or dead, for their help isn’t the deceased person looking for attention, it is the living person(s) way of saying thank you.

Now, consider me old fashioned, but, when I receive a gift, I send a thank you note. (I know, it’s a lost art). It is merely an acknowledgement of appreciation.

The same goes for the saints.

Remember, that the Catholic Church does not teach that anyone is in hell, however it does teach that people are in heaven. When a person prays for a saints intercession, and that request is granted, it tells us that person is in heaven.

You are also right that “We are just tools”, and that is exactly what a Saint is, a tool of God.

 

[Xavierlives]

You are right that we shouldn’t do things for the attention. But, acknowledging someone, living or dead, for their help isn’t the deceased person looking for attention, it is the living person(s) way of saying thank you.

Now, consider me old fashioned, but, when I receive a gift, I send a thank you note. (I know, it’s a lost art). It is merely an acknowledgement of appreciation.

The same goes for the saints.

Remember, that the Catholic Church does not teach that anyone is in hell, however it does teach that people are in heaven. When a person prays for a saints intercession, and that request is granted, it tells us that person is in heaven.

You are also right that “We are just tools”, and that is exactly what a Saint is, a tool of God.

Even, with gifts, I am told to give in secret that the father may reward me openly. I do not want thanks when I give a gift, I want the person to know that their heavenly Father is looking out for them.

 

[twopekinguys]

Even, with gifts, I am told to give in secret that the father may reward me openly. I do not want thanks when I give a gift, I want the person to know that their heavenly Father is looking out for them.

So, when you give a birthday, anniversary, wedding, Christmas gift, the recipient doesn’t know it’s from you?

I believe what you are talking about, giving in secret, is when we are committing an act of charity. i.e. visiting the sick, feeding the poor, etc.

Matthew 6:3-4
But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

If someone does something nice for you, do you not say Thank you? It is a simple acknowledgement.

 

[Xavierlives]

So, when you give a birthday, anniversary, wedding, Christmas gift, the recipient doesn’t know it’s from you?

I believe what you are talking about, giving in secret, is when we are committing an act of charity. i.e. visiting the sick, feeding the poor, etc.

Matthew 6:3-4
But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

If someone does something nice for you, do you not say Thank you? It is a simple acknowledgement.

Not to sound like a JW, but these are all man-made celebrations. I am sure my wife puts our name on gifts, but I have not bought a “present” in 20 years or more.

As for feeding the poor and visiting people in jail, it is a bit harder to do that in secret, since, well, you are right there. But yes, almsgiving can be done in secret and should.

As for giving thanks for someone doing nice, sure. But this is more of common courtesy than anything. I shouldn’t act cold to a person who holds a door for me. But if I hold the door for someone, and they fail to say thank you, I don’t chase after them and say “YOU’RE WELCOME!” Nice things should be done in the same manner as any other giving, they are done without an expectation.

As for the Catholic saints, I think acknowledging them seems a bit extreme.

I guess the next question is, how do you know these people are in heaven? Because of the miracle that follows? So if I pray to Martin Luther, and a miracle proceeds, then we can affirm Luther is in Heaven (as well as other protestants)? And then we can make him a Catholic Saint?

 

[twopekinguys]

Not to sound like a JW, but these are all man-made celebrations. I am sure my wife puts our name on gifts, but I have not bought a “present” in 20 years or more.

As for feeding the poor and visiting people in jail, it is a bit harder to do that in secret, since, well, you are right there. But yes, almsgiving can be done in secret and should.

As for giving thanks for someone doing nice, sure. But this is more of common courtesy than anything. I shouldn’t act cold to a person who holds a door for me. But if I hold the door for someone, and they fail to say thank you, I don’t chase after them and say “YOU’RE WELCOME!” Nice things should be done in the same manner as any other giving, they are done without an expectation.

As for the Catholic saints, I think acknowledging them seems a bit extreme.

I guess the next question is, how do you know these people are in heaven? Because of the miracle that follows? So if I pray to Martin Luther, and a miracle proceeds, then we can affirm Luther is in Heaven (as well as other protestants)? And then we can make him a Catholic Saint?

So, when someone here on earth does something nice for you, it is OK to acknowledge that, and to say thank you, or show your appreciation in some other way. But it isn’t OK, to say thank you to a Saint? After all, they are alive in Christ, just like we are on earth.

So what is wrong with acknowledging them for what they ahve done for us?

I believe I explained part of the process earlier for canonization of a Saint, but I will give a very brief, skimming the top of the surface type of explaination.

When a cause of sainthood is opened, it involves alot of preliminary groundwork to be done. A group is formed to investigate the life of the person being considered. This will involve every single aspect of the person’s life, from birth to death. Reviewing how they lived their life, interviewing people who knew the individual (if still alive), reviewing diaries, journals, etc. etc. Literally no stone is unturned.

Once this preliminary information is gathered, it is forwarded to the Vatican for review by the officials there. There is someone called a postulator that argues for the cause, and there is an opposing postulator arguing against it. Similar to lawyers in court. All of the doucments are gone over with a fine tooth comb. I should mention here, that the document submitted will include statements from people who have a less than favorable view of the proposed saint. ( i.e. The Abp. Fulton Sheen cause currently being considered contains statements and documents supplied by people that didn’t like him for one reason or another.)

Now, as far as miracles, if a person died as a Martyr for the faith, then no miracles are required. If the person dies of natural causes, one miracle is required for beatificaton (call them blessed), and then a second miracle is required for canonization (sainthood). Keep in mind, that the church does it’s very best to confirm if something really is a miracle or not. There are teams of people with varied expertise that investigate these things, and they are not taken lightly at all. In fact, most of the people that work on “miracles” are trying to disprove them, more than prove them. The last thing the Church needs is to declare something a miracle, only to find out later that it was a hoax.

Now, once at least one miracle has been verified, and all of the life information is reviewed, it goes before the cardinals for a vote. If approved, the person is called “blessed”, or beatified. The investigation still continues, digging deeper and deeper into the person’s life, and if another miracle is verified., then the cause for canonization advances for posssible sainthood.

Now, how do we know these people are in heaven? If these peoples lives have been put under a microscope numerous times, by many people, and they have intereceded for us through prayer, and a miracle has been attributed to their intercession, it sure seems to me that they would be in heaven, and in close proximity to the throne, don’t you? After all, if they were in hell, do you think God would answer their prayer, and grant a miracle?

Anyone who is in heaven is a saint, or they wouldn’t be there. Just because they haven’t been investigated and declared a saint doesn’t mean they aren’t. There is always the possibility that M Luther is in heaven. If he is, he’s a saint. He just hasn’t been publically declared a saint by the Church. If the Lutheran’s want to declare him a saint, that’s up to them, and their criteria.

Check out this site, it helps clarify what I’ve said, and will give you some more information as well.

religionfacts.com/christianity/practices/honoring_saints/canonization.htm

 

[Xavierlives]

So, when someone here on earth does something nice for you, it is OK to acknowledge that, and to say thank you, or show your appreciation in some other way. But it isn’t OK, to say thank you to a Saint? After all, they are alive in Christ, just like we are on earth.

But the difference is, when I say thank you to someone who holds the door open for me, I am not going through a process in which I investigate their lives to see past door holding, I am not spending hundreds of thousands of manhours to nitpick their lives to see if they held the door because of their faith, I am not questioning people who saw him hold the door. I say thank you, which is a common courtesy, and am done.

So what is wrong with acknowledging them for what they ahve done for us?

What is wrong is, then people get the idea, if I do a lot of good for Christ here on Earth, someone will come along behind me and recognize me. I would rather slip into obscurity knowing that God will recognize the work I have done, not man.

I believe I explained part of the process earlier for canonization of a Saint, but I will give a very brief, skimming the top of the surface type of explaination.

When a cause of sainthood is opened, it involves alot of preliminary groundwork to be done. A group is formed to investigate the life of the person being considered. This will involve every single aspect of the person’s life, from birth to death. Reviewing how they lived their life, interviewing people who knew the individual (if still alive), reviewing diaries, journals, etc. etc. Literally no stone is unturned.

Once this preliminary information is gathered, it is forwarded to the Vatican for review by the officials there. There is someone called a postulator that argues for the cause, and there is an opposing postulator arguing against it. Similar to lawyers in court. All of the doucments are gone over with a fine tooth comb. I should mention here, that the document submitted will include statements from people who have a less than favorable view of the proposed saint. ( i.e. The Abp. Fulton Sheen cause currently being considered contains statements and documents supplied by people that didn’t like him for one reason or another.)

Now, as far as miracles, if a person died as a Martyr for the faith, then no miracles are required. If the person dies of natural causes, one miracle is required for beatificaton (call them blessed), and then a second miracle is required for canonization (sainthood). Keep in mind, that the church does it’s very best to confirm if something really is a miracle or not. There are teams of people with varied expertise that investigate these things, and they are not taken lightly at all. In fact, most of the people that work on “miracles” are trying to disprove them, more than prove them. The last thing the Church needs is to declare something a miracle, only to find out later that it was a hoax.

Now, once at least one miracle has been verified, and all of the life information is reviewed, it goes before the cardinals for a vote. If approved, the person is called “blessed”, or beatified. The investigation still continues, digging deeper and deeper into the person’s life, and if another miracle is verified., then the cause for canonization advances for posssible sainthood.

Now, how do we know these people are in heaven? If these peoples lives have been put under a microscope numerous times, by many people, and they have intereceded for us through prayer, and a miracle has been attributed to their intercession, it sure seems to me that they would be in heaven, and in close proximity to the throne, don’t you? After all, if they were in hell, do you think God would answer their prayer, and grant a miracle?

I am not doubting whether people are in paradise, I am saying if the average Catholic works out their faith with fear and trembling and goes to the grave without assurance, then how in death can you say there is assurance? I’d rather expect more blessed assurance in the resurrection from Catholics since they wholeheartedly embrace that “saints” are in heaven.

Also, I am not saying that God does not answer prayer, I just believe that Christ is that intercessor. Christ is at the right hand of the Father, not Peter.

Anyone who is in heaven is a saint, or they wouldn’t be there. Just because they haven’t been investigated and declared a saint doesn’t mean they aren’t. There is always the possibility that M Luther is in heaven. If he is, he’s a saint. He just hasn’t been publically declared a saint by the Church. If the Lutheran’s want to declare him a saint, that’s up to them, and their criteria.

Well of course I don’t expect the Catholic church to ever acknowledge Martin Luther as a saint. The point is, the Catholic Church excommunicated him and his place with the Catholic Church is set. The Catholic Church would never recognize any contemporary non-Catholic as a saint because to do so would be to say that there is an example of someone in heaven outside the church, and they can’t have that. I can, as a protestant, say I believe there are plenty of protestants and Catholics in heaven. You as a Catholic cannot reciprocate.

 

[twopekinguys]

But the difference is, when I say thank you to someone who holds the door open for me, I am not going through a process in which I investigate their lives to see past door holding, I am not spending hundreds of thousands of manhours to nitpick their lives to see if they held the door because of their faith, I am not questioning people who saw him hold the door. I say thank you, which is a common courtesy, and am done.

But these people have held that door open in an exceptional way, and deserve to be recognized. It is not them seeking the recognition, but it is us, wanting to recognize them.

What is wrong is, then people get the idea, if I do a lot of good for Christ here on Earth, someone will come along behind me and recognize me. I would rather slip into obscurity knowing that God will recognize the work I have done, not man.

So, when you die, and the preacher is giving your eulogy, or at your wake, people shouldn’t mention anything good that you’ve done? After you’ve been dead and gone for a few years, no one should remember any of the good things that you’ve done, or helped accomplish? You don’t want people to look at you as a person of good character and morals? We are all called to live the gospels, and to be examples to one another.

I am not doubting whether people are in paradise, I am saying if the average Catholic works out their faith with fear and trembling and goes to the grave without assurance, then how in death can you say there is assurance? I’d rather expect more blessed assurance in the resurrection from Catholics since they wholeheartedly embrace that “saints” are in heaven.

I’m not exactly sure what you’re getting at here. I think all Christians, Catholic or not, work out their salvation with fear and trembling. There is no guarantee that you or I will be in heaven. After all, we may **think **we’ve done everything necessary to gain entrance into heaven, but that is ultimately left up to God. I’m sure more than one person has been suprised when they got there, don’t you?

Also, I am not saying that God does not answer prayer, I just believe that Christ is that intercessor. Christ is at the right hand of the Father, not Peter.

Christ is not only an intercessor, he is God, so ultimately his is making the decisions.

We believe that those saints in heaven (declared and undeclared), have found favor with God. After all, they are in his presence. We believe that our prayers, along with the prayers of the saints that are joined together, and taken to the throne. They are essentially saying, “Hey, we believe this guy is for real, genuine, faith filled, how about giving him a break.” They are rooting for us. Now, if God wants to say no (and I’m sure he has), thats all well and good, but at least the saints went to bat for us.

Well of course I don’t expect the Catholic church to ever acknowledge Martin Luther as a saint. The point is, the Catholic Church excommunicated him and his place with the Catholic Church is set. The Catholic Church would never recognize any contemporary non-Catholic as a saint because to do so would be to say that there is an example of someone in heaven outside the church, and they can’t have that. I can, as a protestant, say I believe there are plenty of protestants and Catholics in heaven. You as a Catholic cannot reciprocate.

Just becausee the Catholic church hasn’t, and probably won’t declare Luther a saint doesn’t mean that he isn’t in heaven. If he is there, then he would be an undeclared saint.

I learned a valuable life lesson many years ago that may help you here. “Never say never.”
People have said there would “never” be a black president. People have said that “man would never walk on the moon.” etc. etc.

Also remember, we don’t consider them “Catholic Saints”, we consider them “Saints”. Again, just because someone hasn’t been publically declared a Saint, doesn’t mean they aren’t a saint in heaven right now.

Personally, I don’t know of anyone who has submitted a cause for sainthood of a non Catholic. Who knows, maybe there will be. Remember, the church doesn’t go out and actively seek these submissions. It starts from the laity. So, if you have someone in mind who is a non Catholic, start gathering information.

Another option would be to start your own canonization process for your particular denomination (If there isn’t one already).

I will leave you with one last thought. If the “Saints” are Catholic, why do so many protestant churches use the Saint’s names in their church name? Here are some examples, I am sure there are more.

St Paul’s Church of the Nazarene. stpaulskc.org/
St. Peter’s Baptist stpeterbaptist.net/
St. John’s Methodist stjohnsdowntown.org/

 

[twopekinguys]

Well of course I don’t expect the Catholic church to ever acknowledge Martin Luther as a saint. The point is, the Catholic Church excommunicated him and his place with the Catholic Church is set.

I wanted to address this statement specifically.

The point is, Luther essentially excommunicated himself. The Church just happened to formalize it.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

The Church does not make Saints. By investigation of the persons life and testamony and evidence The Church reconizes that this person Has been blessed and received the Promise of Salvation. For they have lived the life that Chirst has told us to live and no evidence can be found to say other wise. In addition by mircules of God throught there intercession it concludes they are in Heaven.

On the other hand the Church mackes no statement about who is not a saint( in heaven) for we can not know till the finale judgement who has been case down.