"Catholic Rainbow Parents" in MN, openly protest Vatican teaching on homosexuality

[Catholic29]

A Small But Determined Group of Catholic Rainbow Parents Declare the Start of Their Ministry on the Front Steps of the St. Paul Cathedral

From the front steps of the St. Paul Cathedral during the Catholic Rainbow Parents’ “Ritual of Affirmation and Sending Forth,”** Bill LeMay, who has a lesbian daughter, reads from the two-page Declaration for Pope Benedict and the Bishops of the United States, which will be mailed to them after the conclusion of the ritual. **Standing next to him and holding the portable microphone amplifier is **Mike Murphy, **father of a gay son. About half of the group of 75 parents and supporters is visible in the photo, and the archdiocesan chancery building can be seen across the street (upper right corner). (Bill’s wife, Deb LeMay, is not visible in this photo, nor is Mike’s wife, **Mary Lynn Murphy, **the coordinator of the Catholic Rainbow Parents.)

Undeterred by the rainy, chilly night, and almost 43 years to the day after the opening of the Second Vatican Council (10/11/1962), 75 members and supporters of the Catholic Rainbow Parents stood on the front steps of the St. Paul Cathedral for a “Ritual of Affirmation and Sending Forth.” Reading from a two-page declaration, they announced the beginning of their own reformation work within the Church – as well as within society – to speak their own truth, as the most qualified experts, about their GLBT children and their children’s lives.

If you want to elevate your blood pressure, here’s more: mtn.org/cpcsm/catholicrainbowparents.htm

You think Benedict will be cowed be these folks? Me thinks not, and I know I’m not.:nope:

These Rainbow Sashers now turned “Catholic Rainbow Parents” used to make my blood boil every time I read something about certain Masses they crash into, but you know what, I am through letting them and Satan get my blood pressure up. So I say let them grandstand and protest Rome all day and every day until the Savior comes again or Hell freezes over (whichever happens first). Though I am certain they will have much to account for by that time.

Yes, dissent in Minnesota is rife, but that is life…

 

[1ke]

How sad. I feel really sorry for these parents. How pathetic they are-- teaching their children to create their own reality instead of conforming to the Truth.

 

[C_S_P_B]

On Saturday, Fr. Loya spoke about Theology of the Body at a Forum for Laity at St. Thomas University in St. Paul. Archbishop Flynn also attended the event.

Here is a one report (not mine) on the event.

Today I attended an outstanding event called, “Forum for the Laity”, sponsored by the Archdiocese of Saint Paul & Minneapolis - Office for Family, Laity, Youth and Young Adults. The speakers were superb!

However, there was a terrible disturbance during this forum by members of the “Rainbow Sash Movement” and the “Catholic Pastoral Committee on Sexual Minorities”. These homosexual activists were extremely disrespectful with their rude outbursts as a panel of speakers (2 priests, a man and a woman) discussed the importance of the Marriage Amendment issue.

This outrageous display by those who want to destroy the traditional family only proved to those of us in attendance how crucial it is that each and every one of us do whatever we can to protect the Sanctity of Marriage!

 

[Eileen_T]

1ke:

How sad. I feel really sorry for these parents. How pathetic they are-- teaching their children to create their own reality instead of conforming to the Truth.

No parent wants to face the reality that their child is likely to go to Hell. These parents, if truly Catholic, probably believe that if the Church changes its teaching on homosexuality it will be ‘bound’ in Heaven.

How sad that they want the Church to conform to the world instead of the world conforming to Christ.

 

[Colm_O_Higgins]

They can protest, we can discuss & we can pray.

I saw some ‘rainbow sashers’ in Europe during WYD 2005 & in Rome. Whenever I did, I thought, “Thou art Peter. Upon this rock I shall build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Whatever you bind on earth is bound in Heaven; whatever you loose on earth is loosed in Heaven.”

 

[YinYangMom]

With a declaration like that I wonder if that constitutes ‘formal rejection’ of the Catholic faith?

They’ve basically put into writing those teachings of the Church **they do not believe. **If they don’t believe, isn’t that the same as saying “I reject Catholic teaching” and therefore “I do not consider myself Catholic since I don’t believe in what being Catholic means.”

Could the Church excommunicate the people who sign such a delcaration especially since it is being mailed to Vatican City and the USCCB and not published in a newspaper somewhere as an opinion-editorial piece???

 

[C_S_P_B]

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rowdiness in Saint Paul

Several people have e-mailed me about what took place on Saturday at the Forum for the Laity at the University of St. Thomas in Saint Paul: a veritable Irish donnybrook, by the sounds of it.

At the Mass celebrated by Archbishop Flynn, three Rainbow Sashers approached at communion time, and the Archbishop did not distribute the Eucharist to them but instead gave them blessings. Outside the Church, the CPCSM had placards and flyers to distribute, and the local Courage chapter had a banner and table.

During the Marriage Amendment Panel, things got a bit unruly. The director of the panel had explained that this was not a time for debate or Q & A, but a handful of individuals raised their hands, tried to interrupt, or knelt in front during the panel discussion. Apparently one priest spoke out against the amendment. After the event, security had to be called due to some shouting and shoving outside between two individuals on either side of this issue.

So it seems that the church in Saint Paul is similar, in some ways, to the church of Corinth in Saint Paul’s day… for some, politics comes before the Gospel. I am reminded of an excellent homily given by Cardinal Ratzinger at the seminary in Philadelphia, which is printed in the epilogue to the book Called to Communion: Understanding the Church Today.

posted by Clayton @ 6:57 AM (0) comments

Things certainly are interesting. Sounds like Archbishop Flynn demonstrated his leadership.

 

[TarAshly]

I think its beautiful that these parents love and support their kids. I agree with them on some of the things they had to say. I have had to many friends that have come out and been disowned by their loved ones. even ones who lead celibate lives their families thing they are deformed or something. Im so sick of hate disguised as truth. why can we not love homosexuals and pray for their redemtion?

 

[TarAshly]

Not exactly. Pope John Paul the Second came out and basically said hey guys we were wrong about the crusades, african slave trade, christian war against the jews, the attempted conversion of the American Indians, the spanish inqusition and others. Sometimes the Church is wrong. and sometimes it just takes someone to stand up and say “hey wait a minute lets look at this again” thats what he did. Im sure not everyone liked that the Church had to say “oops sorry about that” but thats the way it goes sometimes. I was personally never more proud of our Pope when he did that.

YinYangMom:

With a declaration like that I wonder if that constitutes ‘formal rejection’ of the Catholic faith?

They’ve basically put into writing those teachings of the Church **they do not believe. **If they don’t believe, isn’t that the same as saying “I reject Catholic teaching” and therefore “I do not consider myself Catholic since I don’t believe in what being Catholic means.”

Could the Church excommunicate the people who sign such a delcaration especially since it is being mailed to Vatican City and the USCCB and not published in a newspaper somewhere as an opinion-editorial piece???

 

[YinYangMom]

TarAshly:

Not exactly. Pope John Paul the Second came out and basically said hey guys we were wrong about the crusades, african slave trade, christian war against the jews, the attempted conversion of the American Indians, the spanish inqusition and others. Sometimes the Church is wrong. and sometimes it just takes someone to stand up and say “hey wait a minute lets look at this again” thats what he did. Im sure not everyone liked that the Church had to say “oops sorry about that” but thats the way it goes sometimes. I was personally never more proud of our Pope when he did that.

You are misinformed. He did not apologize for the Church being wrong in her position, he apologized for the manner in which certain members of the Church carried out the mission of the Church in those situations. Big difference.

The Church does not err in matters of faith and morals. We have the promise of Jesus on that and that protection of the Holy Spirit.

We certainly love our homosexual brothers and sisters and pray often for them so that they may find the strength and courage to bear their cross. This is the teaching of the Church and it is correct - to love the sinner but to not embrace the sin.

I do not understand what the big complaint by the homosexual community is. They cry out, it’s not fair that we are denied the experience of love because of society…but that is not true. In fact they are called to experience God’s love more intensely than most.

If they would do as the Church teaches - live chaste, celibate lives in service and prayer to our Lord they would have very fulfilling lives because their souls would be clear and the personal reward of helping others would be immense. They would not be struggling with guilt, anxiety, remorse because they would be living the life God calls from them.

They are miserable now because they are trying to fill the void of love in their lives with sinful actions, it is a struggle against nature and all that is ingrained in their being. If they would redirect the strength and courage they’ve mustered up to try to change the mindset of society toward overcoming this condition and serving our Lord they would be much happier much sooner. This battle of theirs is only dragging out their frustrations, pain, anguish. It’s self imposed.

 

[TarAshly]

Im proud of these parents who support their children. Im proud of the homosexuals who accept who they are and continue to love and serve God and i am proud that there are Catholics in the world who stand up for whats right. who dont accept discrimination and hate. and you are the one whos misinformed about what Pope John Paul the Second said. I just finished doing a research paper on him. yes he apologized for the Church’s role. at one point the Church accepted slavery but that changed. the Church is not always right. and if the Pope can admit that then i can accept that. no one or no thing is infaliable except God and his Truths. I have a hard time seeing God turn away someone who was gay just because they were gay. would he not love them as much as he loves me a straight married woman. a sinner. are we not all sinners? My favorite quote in the Bible is the one about the plank in the eye. i think some choose to ignore that verse because it takes away their right to judge their brothers and sisters and kinda puts a damper in that holier than thou thing. im not speaking directly to Yin Yang Mom i appreciate her charity in her answer. I am simply directing an opinion and point of view to all my Catholic brothers and sisters. why should our doors be closed to anyone? they are not our doors to close. they are God’s doors.

 

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TarAshly:

. at one point the Church accepted slavery but that changed. the Church is not always right. .

Please offer some proof. When did the Church ever endorse chattel slavery as morally licit? When has the Church “changed” Her position on issues of faith and morals?

 

[fix]

TarAshly:

Not exactly. Pope John Paul the Second came out and basically said hey guys we were wrong about the crusades, african slave trade, christian war against the jews, the attempted conversion of the American Indians, the spanish inqusition and others.

This is untrue and not an apt characterization.

 

[YinYangMom]

TarAshly:

Im proud of these parents who support their children. Im proud of the homosexuals who accept who they are and continue to love and serve God and i am proud that there are Catholics in the world who stand up for whats right.

I’m proud of the parents for loving their children and wanting to see them remain part of the church. Where they are failing their children, however, is in not standing by the magesterium of the church by teaching and helping their children not succumb to the temptation of SSA. Certainly they would do everything they could to help them not commit any other sin: murder, theft, swearing. Acting upon SSA falls under adultery and coveting…it is against the commandments plain and simple - specifically spelled out in the Old Testament and the New. The church must protect and defend the Truth as revealed through scripture and Tradition. It makes no sense to turn to the church to overrule a matter specifically revealed from God to Moses…none whatsoever. The parents are misguided here in how they are showing support and love for the souls of their children.

I have a hard time seeing God turn away someone who was gay just because they were gay. would he not love them as much as he loves me a straight married woman. a sinner. are we not all sinners?

God doesn’t turn anyone away. We turn ourselves away from God everytime w knowingly and willingly reject His laws. Having SSA is not the sin. Acting on the SSA is. It takes free will to openly reject 2000 years of Bible and Church teaching then go ahead to decide for oneself it’s ‘ok’ to engage in sexual relations with people of the same gender.

I am simply directing an opinion and point of view to all my Catholic brothers and sisters. why should our doors be closed to anyone? they are not our doors to close. they are God’s doors.

No one is closing the door on anyone.

 

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YinYangMom:

No one is closing the door on anyone.

That is the political rap used to silence those who conform themselves to the truth. Claim discrimination, or judgment, or holier than thou all in an attempt to bend the moral law.

 

[TarAshly]

Fix, because its not what you believe its wrong huh? I must be trying to bend the moral laws.

fix:

That is the political rap used to silence those who conform themselves to the truth. Claim discrimination, or judgment, or holier than thou all in an attempt to bend the moral law.

 

[Brendan]

TarAshly:

at one point the Church accepted slavery but that changed. the Church is not always right.

Hmmm,

Pope Eugene IV in 1435 re: slavery in the Canary Islands.

They have deprived the natives of their property or turned it to their own use, and have subjected some of the inhabitants of said islands to perpetual slavery, sold them to other persons and committed other various illicit and evil deeds against them… We order and command all and each of the faithful of each sex that, within the space of fifteen days of the publication of these letters in the place where they live, that they restore to their earlier liberty all and each person of either sex who were once residents of said Canary Islands…who have been made subject to slavery.

Here is an excerpt from Pope Paul III encyclical Sublimis Deus in 1537

He (Satan) has stirred up some of his allies who, desiring to satisfy their own avarice, are presuming to assert far and wide that the Indians…be reduced to our service like brute animals, under the pretext that they are lacking the Catholic faith. And they reduce them to slavery, treating them with afflictions they would scarcely use with brute animals… by our Apostolic Authority decree and declare by these present letters that the same Indians and all other peoples - even though they are outside the faith - …should not be deprived of their liberty… Rather they are to be able to use and enjoy this liberty and this ownership of property freely and licitly, and are not to be reduced to slavery

Or how about Pope Gregory XVI In Supremo

We, by apostolic authority, warn and strongly exhort in the Lord faithful Christians of every condition that no one in the future dare bother unjustly, despoil of their possessions, or reduce to slavery, Indians, Blacks or other such peoples.

You can also find similar condemnations of slavery from these Popes

Popes Gregory XIV (Cum Sicuti, 1591), Urban VIII (Commissum Nobis, 1639) and Benedict XIV (Immensa Pastorum, 1741)

Now which Pope do you claim disagreed with these Heirs of Peter and actually supported slavery. Which encyclical did he promulgate this teaching in?

 

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TarAshly:

Fix, because its not what you believe its wrong huh? I must be trying to bend the moral laws.

What I believe is what Christ teaches us through His Church.

 

[Brendan]

TarAshly:

Fix, because its not what you believe its wrong huh? I must be trying to bend the moral laws.

As the Church cannot Teach error on Faith or Morals, if one follows what the Church teaches on Morals, one cannot, by definition, be wrong.

 

[fix]

At issue are Vatican references to homosexual persons as “objectively disordered” and “intrinsically inclined toward evil”. In addition, Pope John Paul II, shortly before his death in April, described same-sex marriage as “part of an ideology of evil.” More recently, his successor Pope Benedict XVI called such unions " banal", “anarchic” and “fake.”

Darlene White, whose lesbian daughter has children of her own, says, “I believe that this kind of language is spiritually abusive of our loved ones and their families. We have had enough of this kind of talk”.

The dictaorship of relativism? Who is her authority?