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Peter_J
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No, no offense was meant (hence the emoticons). But, speaking seriously, perhaps Catholic Saints in Anglicanism and Lutheranism tells you something: that you guys ought to be Catholic.
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LutheranScholar
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An understandable conclusion for one to come to, of course. Folks like Mr. Paul McCain or Pr. Harrison might disagree, of course and point out particular objections, as might the Archbishop of Canterbury, or Archbishop Haverland might have uniquely Anglican reasons that things should stay as they are. I pray for peace among and within our communions, of course, but unity at this late date is something I think would require the Parousia itself to accomplish. In all seriousness, I wish you and everyone out there a blessed Holy Week, as we get closer and closer to Easter ( I have missed my Facebook! I’m looking forward to Easter for more reasons than one, although the Lutheran Rosary has been a great source of devotion and comfort for me). Jesus at the center, is all I can say… Jesus at the center.No, no offense was meant (hence the emoticons). But, speaking seriously, perhaps Catholic Saints in Anglicanism and Lutheranism tells you something: that you guys ought to be Catholic.
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IgnatianPhilo
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Post Orthodox and Catholic schism. That is the Eastern Orthodox and the Roman Catholic schism.
Lutherans and Anglicans do honour western saints before the reformation and after the schism no?
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Mystophilus
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Anglicans who honour saints tend to honour Eastern and Western, before and after the Great Schism.
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LutheranScholar
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LOL, I just thought I’d point out that my 3X great grandmother, Frances Steinbrenner, was a Lutheran who was apparently named for the saint I mentioned. It was trivia, but one that tickled me a little, in light of your remark.:tsktsk: “Thou shalt not steal” - Seventh Commandment. (Good thing we’re so forgiving.
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Peter_J
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No, no offense was meant (hence the emoticons). But, speaking seriously, perhaps Catholic Saints in Anglicanism and Lutheranism tells you something: that you guys ought to be Catholic.
There’s actually something I want to ask about what you (singular or plural) call yourself. (Forgive me if you’ve already been asked 100,000 times.) You call yourself “Lutheran” (capital L) and “catholic” (small c). So far I’m with you, but then why do you write “Protestant” with a capital P? That is, if you write “catholic” than wouldn’t it also be “protestant”?
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LutheranScholar
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That is an excellent question. I generally call myself a Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Christian ( TM)
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Mystophilus
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A story I heard a few years ago concerned Ely Cathedral (Anglican) in Cambridgeshire, and St. Etheldreda’s (Catholic) church in the London.
St. Aethylthryth/Etheldreda/Audrey is the patron of both, and most of her body resides at Ely, but one hand is in London. For their 900th anniversary, the cathedral apparently asked St. Etheldreda’s to “return” the hand, whereupon the Catholic parish asked the CofE to return the cathedral.
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tmcq
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Saints in hell?You got the wrong website look for the Satanic Protestant site they are all over the place.
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LutheranScholar
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Sorry, you won’t find the Antichrist among the Protestants…
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Mystophilus
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Are you 100% certain about that? Given some of the things which have been done by various Christian groups at various points in time, I’m not sure whether any can reasonably claim exemption from that possibility.
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tmcq
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Yea he is always in front away from the crowds. johnthebaptist.us
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LutheranScholar
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True enough, yes. However, have there been any Protestant* individuals *who’ve claimed the authority to speak for Christ? Sure, there must have been and they’ve been antichrists, too. Anyone who sets himself up to speak for Christ usurps His Authority. Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox ( Rasputin), I don’t care who they are. Luther had a few things wrong, but he got a lot right, too. I despise his Anti- Semitic rantings and the way he encouraged the German nobles to suppress their peasants during the Peasant revolt. As he got older, he got increasingly hostile against those who disagreed with him. Luther *did, *of course, acknowledge his own humanity and he deserves credit for that. He wanted to return authority to councils where it had always been before and he wanted to return to the Biblical simplicity of salvation by grace through faith. He stood by his conscience in the face of unbelievable hostility from several powers and he fought back. God knows we could use more people who are willing to stand up for and with Jesus. If that meant certain wealthy people lost some revenue from foreign sources, then so be it.
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Mystophilus
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This I did not know. Could you possibly get me a reference to where he writes about this? I find the conciliar ecclesiology of the Eastern part of the Early Church a very interesting thing.
And now I *know *that you are a dangerous heretic, and respect you all the more for it.
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LutheranScholar
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This is a kind of exhausting reading, but I think it agrees with my previous statement.This I did not know. Could you possibly get me a reference to where he writes about this? I find the conciliar ecclesiology of the Eastern part of the Early Church a very interesting thing.
And now I *know *that you are a dangerous heretic, and respect you all the more for it.
cristoraul.com/ENGLISH/readinghall/GalleryofHistory/LIFE-OF-LUTHER/PART_III-C3.html
welcometohosanna.com/MARTIN_LUTHER/4LATER_YEARS.html
retroread.com/title/Martin-Luther-s-Authority-of-councils-and-churches-tr-by-C-B-Smyth-by-Martin-Luther-ebook.html
I stand in good and noble company, sir !
By the way, the respect is mutual.
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Mystophilus
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Thank you, that is fascinating, and makes me wonder why his idea of a Protestant Council (a council of “the prostrated Church” in C B Smyth’s version) never took hold: it could have given Protestantism more unity, and changed the whole course of northern European history.
Sigh, my book list just got longer, and I was already going to need an augmented lifespan to get through it!
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GKC
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I feel your pain, believe me.Thank you, that is fascinating, and makes me wonder why his idea of a Protestant Council (a council of “the prostrated Church” in C B Smyth’s version) never took hold: it could have given Protestantism more unity, and changed the whole course of northern European history.
Sigh, my book list just got longer, and I was already going to need an augmented lifespan to get through it!
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LutheranScholar
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Interesting, as I’ve been on a " book- buying" spree in regards to Lutheran apologetics and works by CFW Walther. It seems that I have a proper library of my own.
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GKC
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Keep at it. I’ve been on a spree since roughly 1955. You should see the house.Interesting, as I’ve been on a " book- buying" spree in regards to Lutheran apologetics and works by CFW Walther. It seems that I have a proper library of my own.
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