Catholic scholar George Weigel on Ukraine

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The Venerable JP2’s biographer George Weigel has written a very astute article on the current religious and political crises engulfing Ukraine under its new pro-Kremlin president Yanukovych in the National Review. He explains the situation better than I could so I quote from the article:

"…even the most pessimistic analysts have been surprised at how rapidly President Yanukovych’s administration has moved his country closer to the Russian orbit, not just strategically (e.g., by extending until 2042 the Russian Black Sea fleet’s lease on its Crimean port at Sevastopol and by reversing Ukraine’s previous policy of seeking admission to NATO) but also in terms of political culture.

Examples of this ominous trend abound:

The presidential inaugurations of Leonid Kuchma in 1999 and Viktor Yushchenko in 2005 were both preceded by ecumenical and interreligious prayer services in Kiev, with representatives of various religious bodies offering prayers for the new president and for the nation — a welcome sign that the foundations of civil society were being rebuilt in typically fractious Ukraine, and a popular enough innovation that the practice was legally codified in a presidential decree governing future inaugurations. Viktor Yanukovych ignored this precedent (and law) and invited one man, a non-Ukrainian, to offer prayers for his government on the day before his inauguration: Kirill, Patriarch of Moscow and of All Russia. Since taking office, Yanukovych has met only with representatives of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church–Moscow Patriarchate, one of three Orthodox factions in Ukraine and, as its name suggests, a church fully aligned with Moscow.

Kirill, who would not have been elected Patriarch in 2009 without at least the tacit consent of Vladimir Putin and who, like other Russian Orthodox prelates of his generation, once had close ties to the KGB, has not hesitated to insert himself into internal Ukrainian affairs under Yanukovych’s new order. When the controversial nomination of Dmytro Tabachnyk as minister of education got stuck because of protests from parliamentarians of Yanukovych’s own party who questioned Tabachnyk’s integrity, Patriarch Kirill personally lobbied President Yanukovych to see through the nomination. Tabachnyk has slandered Cardinal Husar’s Greek Catholics and has been known to claim that western Ukraine (the heartland of Ukrainian Greek Catholicism) isn’t really Ukraine, linguistically or culturally — which may or may not be a cultural assertion in service to a political agenda, namely, the hiving-off of western Ukraine from a Ukraine that would move towards the kind of de facto reconnection to Russia that has been effected in Belarus.

As education minister, Tabachnyk is expected to bring the teaching of modern history in Ukrainian schools into line with Putin’s efforts to restore the narrative of the “Great Patriotic War” of 1941–45 in Russian schools — an effort that ignores 1939–1941, the years of the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact and Stalin’s alliance with Nazi Germany. This is hardly surprising; Tabachnyk has denied that the Soviet-enforced Ukrainian terror-famine in the 1930s — a pivotal drama in Ukrainian history in which perhaps as many as 6 million people were deliberately starved to death — was a genocide…"

The full article is well-worth the read to illustrate what is happening in one of Europe’s largest countries and can be read at this link.
article.nationalreview.com/434862/troubles-in-ukraine/george-weigel?page=1
 
The Venerable JP2’s biographer George Weigel has written a very astute article on the current religious and political crises engulfing Ukraine under its new pro-Kremlin president Yanukovych in the National Review. He explains the situation better than I could so I quote from the article:

"…even the most pessimistic analysts have been surprised at how rapidly President Yanukovych’s administration has moved his country closer to the Russian orbit, not just strategically (e.g., by extending until 2042 the Russian Black Sea fleet’s lease on its Crimean port at Sevastopol and by reversing Ukraine’s previous policy of seeking admission to NATO) but also in terms of political culture.

Examples of this ominous trend abound:

The presidential inaugurations of Leonid Kuchma in 1999 and Viktor Yushchenko in 2005 were both preceded by ecumenical and interreligious prayer services in Kiev, with representatives of various religious bodies offering prayers for the new president and for the nation — a welcome sign that the foundations of civil society were being rebuilt in typically fractious Ukraine, and a popular enough innovation that the practice was legally codified in a presidential decree governing future inaugurations. Viktor Yanukovych ignored this precedent (and law) and invited one man, a non-Ukrainian, to offer prayers for his government on the day before his inauguration: Kirill, Patriarch of Moscow and of All Russia. Since taking office, Yanukovych has met only with representatives of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church–Moscow Patriarchate, one of three Orthodox factions in Ukraine and, as its name suggests, a church fully aligned with Moscow.

Kirill, who would not have been elected Patriarch in 2009 without at least the tacit consent of Vladimir Putin and who, like other Russian Orthodox prelates of his generation, once had close ties to the KGB, has not hesitated to insert himself into internal Ukrainian affairs under Yanukovych’s new order. When the controversial nomination of Dmytro Tabachnyk as minister of education got stuck because of protests from parliamentarians of Yanukovych’s own party who questioned Tabachnyk’s integrity, Patriarch Kirill personally lobbied President Yanukovych to see through the nomination. Tabachnyk has slandered Cardinal Husar’s Greek Catholics and has been known to claim that western Ukraine (the heartland of Ukrainian Greek Catholicism) isn’t really Ukraine, linguistically or culturally — which may or may not be a cultural assertion in service to a political agenda, namely, the hiving-off of western Ukraine from a Ukraine that would move towards the kind of de facto reconnection to Russia that has been effected in Belarus.

As education minister, Tabachnyk is expected to bring the teaching of modern history in Ukrainian schools into line with Putin’s efforts to restore the narrative of the “Great Patriotic War” of 1941–45 in Russian schools — an effort that ignores 1939–1941, the years of the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact and Stalin’s alliance with Nazi Germany. This is hardly surprising; Tabachnyk has denied that the Soviet-enforced Ukrainian terror-famine in the 1930s — a pivotal drama in Ukrainian history in which perhaps as many as 6 million people were deliberately starved to death — was a genocide…"

The full article is well-worth the read to illustrate what is happening in one of Europe’s largest countries and can be read at this link.
[I"]http://article.nationalreview.com/434862/troubles-in-ukraine/george-weigel?page=1]("http://article.nationalreview.com/434862/troubles-in-ukraine/george-weigel?page=1[/quote)I always find it interesting how eastern European countries view the “Separation of Church and State”… Poland and the Ukraine come to mind, and how it is viewed in the West, where, often times, God is removed from the equation and from the culture, whereas, there seems to be a co-existence in Eastern Europe… as there was with our Founding Fathers in the U.S. but not now, not for many here in the U.S… and that’s too bad…
 
Dmitriy Tabachnik has done much to make education better, I believe, for Ukrainians. Now students can choose to study in Ukrainian or Russian. Textbooks, perhaps as you say describe the Great Patriot War - which is how is called Second World War in both Ukraina and in Russia. But now these text books no longer glorify and heroize the Western Ukrainian UPA (*Українська повстанська армія) which was cooperating with Gestapo. *
 
Dmitriy Tabachnik has done much to make education better, I believe, for Ukrainians. Now students can choose to study in Ukrainian or Russian. Textbooks, perhaps as you say describe the Great Patriot War - which is how is called Second World War in both Ukraina and in Russia. But now these text books no longer glorify and heroize the Western Ukrainian UPA (*Українська повстанська армія) which was cooperating with Gestapo. *
Tabachnyk cannot even speak Ukrainian and ridicules Ukrainian culture which I guess makes him your man. Then again, you, in another post sometime back, were quite happy that most people in Ukraine in your opinion were speaking Russian and Ukrainian was dieing out. For that matter, you held the incredibly fatuous view that the famous Ukrainian Hetman Ivan Mazepa who fought the Russian Czar for Ukrainian independence was known to nobody except maybe musicians, in your benighted view. He’s part of Ukrainian history which makes it difficult for you to understand since you seem to have swallowed the old Soviet history line of Big Brother Russia quite efficiently. Were you ever also a komsomol Volodymyr? A piyoner? Чи ти виховувався в Комсомолі? This would explain what history you grew up with. I’d like to know because you come on the Eastern Catholic forum quite often to throw dirt on Ukrainian Catholics and I’d like to know where you are coming from. The forum rule on this subforum of CAF is to have Eastern and Roman Catholics learn of Eastern Catholicism and others as well; this Forum Volodymyr is not for people to throw Communist propaganda on Catholic Churches. I am not sure you have yet understood this.

Yours is the viewpoint of the maloros, who grew up in Soviet times to believe that to be Russian and not Ukrainian was better for Ukrainians. Or as your Moscow Patriarch, Kiril, (former K.G.B. codename Mikhailov during Soviet times) had his press agent state: it would be better for Ukrainians to not call themselves Ukrainians but the derogatory little Russian. So maybe you think yourself a little russian. Fine, your choice. You want to defend the Donestk mafia clan running Ukraine now, fine. Your church’s most vocal supporter is Yanukovych, who was a thug with a criminal record and pretended to be almost killed by an egg in Ivano-Frankivsk, Ukrainian Catholicism’s heartland, to earn a sympathy vote. A joke.

And please. Do you want to know why people like yourself, Vladimir Putin, and the kompartiya, call it the Great Patriotic War - Велика Вітчизняна Війна - as opposed to World War Two. Because the term World War Two truthfully (but uncomfortably for Soviet and Putin’s propaganda) covers the period 1939-1941 when Stalin and Hitler were allies butchering the new populations they took over (including western Ukraine). The organization that cooperated with the Gestapo back then on official levels was none other than the Soviet Secret Police, the N.K.V.D., the same organization that later butchered the entire Ukrainian Catholic hierarchy and priests forcing the rest under coercion into your Russian Orthodox Church, something your church has never apologized for. Christ commands forgiveness.

By using the term Great Patriotic War and not World War Two, you abet the Communist Myth that the only real war started when Hitler betrayed Stalin in June 1941 and launched Barbarossa, which purposefully ignores the time the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were allies in 1939-41. But you do not wish to learn this history do you? But why should it surprise me that a russian orthodox in Ukraine such as yourself should support the Communist Party’s version of history.

The fact is that the only two universities in all of Ukraine not prone to corruption and having teachers paid off was the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv and the patriotic Kyivan-Mohyla Academy. Under Russian Orthodox Yanukovych, these two might quickly have to surrender all the great work they put into rebuilding a moral Ukrainian nation. But that would serve you just fine probably.

Tell me Volodymyr. Do you agree that the rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University should have his phone tapped by Yanukovych’s secret police just as in Soviet times? Would you protest if the Ukrainian government closed down the Ukrainian Greek Catholic University and Churches, or would you cheer because you consider us heretics? Our church has already suffered enough in the 20th Century. We don’t need communist propaganda thrown at us from you. Thank you.
 
The Head of the Ukrainian Catholic University:

“In the country there is an atmosphere which induces the security agency to act in an undemocratic manner,” reported the rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv Father Borys Gudziak, Ph.D., in an interview to the news agency UNIAN. In the opinion of the rector, “it scares the population, returns the feelings of Soviet times.”

If you get a chance, pray for this man, Father Gudziak, and the Catholic University in Ukraine. They are coming under attack not just from pro-communist but pro-Russian imperialist orthodox followers. Quite sad. Father Gudziak and the university are trying to do Christ’s work in Ukraine. For this, they meet resistance.
 
From the Wall Street Journal on the new education minister, Dmytro Tabachnyk, glorified by the poster Volodymyr:

“His [Ukraine President Yanukovych’s] fifth mistake was to appoint the controversial Dmytro Tabachnik as minister of education. Mr. Tabachnik has expressed chauvinist views that democratically inclined Ukrainians regard as deeply offensive to their national dignity, such as the belief that west Ukrainians are not real Ukrainians; endorsing the sanitized view of Soviet history propagated by the Kremlin; and claiming that Ukrainian language and culture flourished in Soviet times. Unsurprisingly, many Ukrainians have reacted in the same way that African Americans would react to KKK head David Duke’s appointment to such a position—with countrywide student strikes, petitions, and demonstrations directed as much at Mr. Yanukovych as at Mr. Tabachnik”

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704094104575143380743824408.html
 
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Why you so angry? You live in America, safe, you probably very young. I am old man, served yes in Red Army. I born in Belgorod - where are my relatives including one son - now in a different country, Yes, Andriy - to be in army or go to prison, to be in army komsomol. But my father was diakon in Belgorod. Repressed by Stalin - dies somewhere in Kazakhstan just after Great War, when and where no body knows. Do you believe I do not understand power evil of Soviet government? Do you believe only in right bank Ukraina was terror?? I survived!! I had friends in Red Army who were believerrs - devoted Catolics from Litva and Latvia who helped me very much in faith. . Greek catolic church is not heretical - problem is historical You think my church is Russian, but I think you church is Polish. Must to look at facts of history. Kings of Poland have been organizers of such church. Why we cannot just as you say agree to disagree. I am not evil person, not communist - I was all life believer at times when people wearing a krestik simply disappeared.
 
Why we cannot just as you say agree to disagree. I am not evil person, not communist - I was all life believer at times when people wearing a krestik simply disappeared.
Volodymyr, I am not in America but in Canada with tons of family in Ukraine, many of whom suffered under both the Nazis, and then the Communists, being sent to Kazakhstan as many Ukrainians were for life in camps and exile. They lived horrible lives under the Soviet Union but refused to join the Communist Party or give up on their Catholic Church in the atheist state. Before I ever even dealt with Orthodoxy or Russia on this CAF Forum, one of the first posts on my Ukrainian Catholic Church I came across was yours denouncing my Catholic Church as engaged in “обман” which in Ukrainian and Russian means DECEIT but which you cryptically wrote in cyrillic. Those were your very words, even before I had even said much about Russian Orthodoxy on CAF. Then I slowly realized you started posting more such posts and you have used the word heretical I believe with respect to Catholics. (By the way, do you know that the Ukrainian Catholics and Ukrainian Orthodox (canonical) get along very well in North America?). It is only those Orthodox in Ukraine who support the Moscow Patriarch blindly in Russian political neo-imperialism that both Ukrainian Catholics and Ukrainian Orthodox [canonical] here have problems with: people who revel in the destruction of Ukrainian culture, history, and language and democracy for that matter; and you should know by now there are many such people as you already once stated with approval that more people were not using Ukrainian.

Why would you think Ukrainian Catholics, who suffered tremendously as the church of the catacombs, is involved in deceit? And you said this on the Eastern Catholicism Forum! The Church serves Christ, Volodymyr, not the Czar or the Cheka or the Oligarch. You engage and concentrate on this anti-Catholic stuff and, guess who benefits the most in taking away faithful from your church: the Adventists, the Mormons, the Pentecostals. They look at your Church and see a church the past of which is haunted by dealing with the Soviet State and K.G.B. and is seen as a tool now (rightly or wrongly) of the Kremlin. This is in Eastern and Central Ukraine where Ukrainian Catholics are barely allowed to build any churches! so people run away from what they perceive to be your old corrupted state church to the Adventists and Pentecostals. The Orthodox Church that you belong to has become coloured by its relationship to Caesar imho. Do you really think Kirill could have become Patriarch without Putin’s go-ahead, as Weigel alludes?

I’ll ask you again, is it right that Yanukovych’s new President with criminal background) Secret Police (S.B.U.) is pressuring the Ukrainian Catholic University and innocent believers. Is it right that Yanukovych is now limiting freedom of assembly in Ukraine as Putin has done in Russia? Is it right that all the independent and objective T.V. news channels in Ukraine (5-yi Kanal, etc.) are losing their licenses to broadcast just as independent news channels did in Russia after Putin came to power? Is it right that Ukrainian newspapers are now feeling the breath of censorship on their backs (Dzerkalo Tyzhnia). On Russian State T.V. one will never find any criticism of Putin. What one will find, however, is tons of anti-Ukrainian propaganda and “chornyi p.r.” or disinformation. I have watched those reports. They throw tons of dirt at Ukraine; as if Ukraine was about to or could invade Moscow? Do you really believe Volodymyr that Ukraine should have no free press, no freedom of assembly, and no independent universities just as in Patriarch Kirill’s and Putin’s Russia? All these freedoms are now being lost in Ukraine! All this at the hands of the most vocal supporter of Russian Orthodoxy in Ukraine (Yanukovych for political reasons) and his Donetsk mafia clan.

Volodymyr, do you understand that Ukraine’s current president Yanukovych has a criminal record and is one of the heads of the vicious Donetsk mafia clan?

That is what is happening. And of course I am angry when people come in onto a Catholic Forum to throw dirt on a suffering Catholic church and insult us and allege we are involved in deceit, as you did, or justify the destruction of Ukrainian civil society and democracy which is happening under Yanukovych and Tabachnyk. Some people might smile when a nation of 50 million gets slowly destroyed before his or her eyes. I don’t.

Volodymyr, is the Ukrainian Catholic Church a true Christian Church which has suffered tremendously under communism? In Ukrainian: Володимир, чи Українська Греко-Католицька Церква є Християньська Церква і чи Вона не постраждала страшенно під комунізмом?
 
But my father was diakon in Belgorod. Repressed by Stalin - dies somewhere in Kazakhstan just after Great War, when and where no body knows. Do you believe I do not understand power evil of Soviet government? .
Вічна Йому Память. Memory Eternal.

Yes, I have stories in my own family too, but, apologies, I do not want to go too much in detail on a public forum. The Church which I belong to obviously is finding itself in a bit of a precarious state with the authorities now in Ukraine, and I do visit and know people “over there”. Father Gudziak’s, the rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, brother has already been arrested on trumped up charges!
 
You think my church is Russian, but I think you church is Polish.
Wait one second. If my Church was Polish, I would be Roman Catholic. Our liturgies are in Ukrainian as is our tradition, not Polish or Russian.

And on Orthodoxy, again I have Ukrainian Orthodox in my family. The Ukrainian Orthodox (canonical) and Ukrainian Catholic get along perfectly in the diaspora. We concelebrate at great occasions. Even in Ukraine, the Orthodox and Catholic can concelebrate services as here, at the site of one of the greatest mass graves in Ukraine, Bykivnia, where Stalin and his henchmen murdered and buried hundreds of thousands Ukrainians in mass graves. Guess who showed up to mark a Christian service for the dead: the Ukrainian Greek Catholics, and the Ukrainian Orthodox (Kyiv Patriarchate and UAOC). Look here:
“On May 15, 2010, on the eve of the Day of Remembrance of the Victims of Political Repressions, in the Bykivnia Graves National Historical-Memorial Preserve, in the Kyiv region, government officials and citizens honored those killed.
The memorial service was served by Metropolitan Dymytrii of Pereiaslav-Khmelnytskyi of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kyiv Patriarchate (UOC-KP), Bishop Bohdan , the secretary of the Synod of Bishops of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church (UGCC), and Bishop Mykhail of the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church”
risu.org.ua/en/index/all_news/state/national_religious_question/35617/

Guess which Church is not present? The Russian Orthodox Church or as it is called somewhat euphemistically - Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate). The only thing about it Ukrainian is its name unfortunately, and many of the bishops in your own Church in Ukraine have written open letters to Metropolitan Sabodan ostracizing the fact that the most powerful elements in your church engage in anti-Ukrainian Russification and politics. I posted a link to one such document to you from one of your own bishops complaining about this in regards to Mazepa. The problem is not the fact that it is Russian Volodymyr. The problem is that your Church in Ukraine has become a political tool for Russian imperialism in Ukraine for many intents and purposes. It’s the political imperialism part that is the problem, not the Russian part. Why else do you think millions of Ukrainian Orthodox have avoided joining your Church? There are millions of Orthodox in Ukraine who have until now refused to join your Church! even though this would make life easier.

And if one talks history, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church canonically belonged jurisdictionally to the EP in Constantinople, not Moscow! I can explain how the Ukrainian Orthodox Church became subject to Moscow if you wish, but then we will totally be off-topic to the original subject - the dire situation in today’s Ukraine.

Again I am a Ukrainian Catholic, not Russian or Polish. The only problem with your church is not that it’s Russian, but that it has become a political tool for Russian neo-imperialism imho and in the opinion of millions of Ukrainian Orthodox as well. And the Ukrainian Orthodox over here are canonically recognized.
 
hey kyivAndrew

keep up the good work, we need people like you here. You might consider reporting things like this to the mods, if someone is going to posting insults in native languages. thanks again.
 
hey kyivAndrew

keep up the good work, we need people like you here. You might consider reporting things like this to the mods, if someone is going to posting insults in native languages. thanks again.
Thanks gamesport. 🙂 Yes, that comment about our Catholic Church being involved in “deceit” was written a while back on another thread, and I didn’t report it to the Mods then because I was quite new to CAF and innocent at the time and was not sure, and I didn’t feel comfortable at the time reporting someone else. I’ve rarely reported others’ posts except ones posted by spammers on CAF to prevent a spam attack.

I just got worked up because on this particular forum, per forum rules, the goal is to provide Eastern and Roman Catholics and others with the opportunity to learn of Eastern Catholicism to appreciate the faith.

Thanks for support. 🙂
 
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