Catholic scholars urge pope to slow Pius sainthood

[JReducation]

I actually hope that he did. But if that is all that is entailed in veneration, then what need is there for research? Just get the testimony of his confessor that he was genuinely contrite and that’s the end of the matter.

And the test of this is mere evidence of genuine contrition? Again, seems like a very low standard to me.

That is not what I was trying to say. I was trying to say is that this is what is needed for salvation.

Veneration is a different situation. What you’re stating in a decree of veneration is that the person’s life was one of heroic Christian virtue and worthy of imitation. The word heroic is key, This person went over and above what is minimally required, which is contrition for sin and restitution, either on earth or in Purgatory.

It’s not necesary that the Church do it, it’s only necessary that the scholars willing to take on this task are given access to the documents that Cromwell claims led him to call Pius “Hitler’s Pope.” Instead of slowing down the canoniztion process, why not speed up the document publication?

I don’t know the answer to that. I can only quote what the Vatican said. They will be available at a later date, becauese they are fragile and must be carefully copied and whatever else you do to documents.

As for your last point, you sound even more cynical than I am.

I’m cynical about people believing anything that show Pius XII in a good light. There are some who have judged and sentenced him. As far as they are concerned anything that the Church produces in his defense is a cover-up. Maybe that’s the reason that the Holy See does not engage in these contraversies. It’s like engaging in a political debate. No one really wins. You may sway a few people, but not everyone.

I say, let the Holy Spirit do his job. If he’s canonized, that’s his acquital. There is no way possible that he can be canonized, if he’s not a saint.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

That is not what I was trying to say. I was trying to say is that this is what is needed for salvation. Veneration is a different situation. What you’re stating in a decree of veneration is that the person’s life was one of heroic Christian virtue and worthy of imitation. The word heroic is key, This person went over and above what is minimally required, which is contrition for sin and restitution, either on earth or in Purgatory.

Thanks for the clarificaiton. That’s the impression I had but my Catholic schooling was a long time ago (under Benedictines).

I’m cynical about people believing anything that show Pius XII in a good light. There are some who have judged and sentenced him. As far as they are concerned anything that the Church produces in his defense is a cover-up. Maybe that’s the reason that the Holy See does not engage in these contraversies. It’s like engaging in a political debate. No one really wins. You may sway a few people, but not everyone.

That’s pretty cynical. Hopefully someone will take this up when the documents are published.

 

[JReducation]

Thanks for the clarificaiton. That’s the impression I had but my Catholic schooling was a long time ago (under Benedictines).

That’s pretty cynical. Hopefully someone will take this up when the documents are published.

Benedictine education, huh? Good education. Of course, it was not quite a Franciscan education, but it passes.

I’m not sure if I call it cynical or realistic. There are so many people today who are into conspiracies. It almost feels like people are watching too much CSI or something. It’s my hope that when it’s all said and done, people will be influence by his holiness and follow his example as a man who never lost his faith, even when the world around him appeared to have gone mad.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF