Catholic Schools in some cities show signs of life, helped by voucher program

[He_Man]

Every Catholic School I know has an asking price and a discounted price based on income.

There is tuition assistance, but we wouldn’t qualify. In the end, I am left wonder if I can truly consider Catholic tuition payments and the collection plate in the same breath, as is commonly purported. Like I said, the tution is $1000/month today, for one child. If we have 3-5 as we hope, holy moly - $3k - $5k/month (less multi-child discounts)! That’s assuming the cost doesn’t go up, which of course it will.

If every parishioner at our Church gave 100% of their salary during the collection, it wouldn’t impact non-parochial school’s tuition one bit, and would in effect raise the impact, since the more you give, the less you can afford to pay for tuition.

Whereas parochial school’s tuition have a direct relation to the amount parishionners donate, private school’s have an inverse relationship, in a sense. But I don’t want to be stingy with charity either, and yet, I have an obligation to put my children’s well being first (in my opinion…).

 

[buffalo]

There is tuition assistance, but we wouldn’t qualify. In the end, I am left wonder if I can truly consider Catholic tuition payments and the collection plate in the same breath, as is commonly purported. Like I said, the tution is $1000/month today, for one child. If we have 3-5 as we hope, holy moly - $3k - $5k/month (less multi-child discounts)! That’s assuming the cost doesn’t go up, which of course it will.

If every parishioner at our Church gave 100% of their salary during the collection, it wouldn’t impact non-parochial school’s tuition one bit, and would in effect raise the impact, since the more you give, the less you can afford to pay for tuition.

Whereas parochial school’s tuition have a direct relation to the amount parishionners donate, private school’s have an inverse relationship, in a sense. But I don’t want to be stingy with charity either, and yet, I have an obligation to put my children’s well being first (in my opinion…).

I think you should talk to your pastor and or principal.

The Regional schools are being set up whereby the parishes without an attached school are assessed a % based on size. I am not sure if they have gotten to that point in your area.

 

[manualman]

We have truly private catholic schools (not part of the parish, and not sponsored by the diocesan education office) in the area here too. IMO, they are so expensive that in spite of the excellence they may have in instruction the environment can sometimes be one of exclusive private school rather than devoted catholic school. And IMO that’s a bad thing. There are two things that tend to compete with catholic identity in a catholic school for the soul of the community: exclusivity and sports. In an awful lot of cases one or the other of these becomes the false idol that is worshipped instead of God. Investigate, be nosy, be pushy and find out what the place is like. If Christ truly is the center, then maybe it’s worth the heroic sacrifice (especially if the parish schools DON"T have this focus). If Christ is a figurehead and Mammon is worshipped instead, RUN!

 

[buffalo]

We have truly private catholic schools (not part of the parish, and not sponsored by the diocesan education office) in the area here too. IMO, they are so expensive that in spite of the excellence they may have in instruction the environment can sometimes be one of exclusive private school rather than devoted catholic school. And IMO that’s a bad thing. There are two things that tend to compete with catholic identity in a catholic school for the soul of the community: exclusivity and sports. In an awful lot of cases one or the other of these becomes the false idol that is worshipped instead of God. Investigate, be nosy, be pushy and find out what the place is like. If Christ truly is the center, then maybe it’s worth the heroic sacrifice (especially if the parish schools DON"T have this focus). If Christ is a figurehead and Mammon is worshipped instead, RUN!

That is a wide spread problem. Many of them push the secualr education outcome with a side helping of Jesus. You are correct in sports being a problem too. No doubt the Catholic system has work to do.

One should demand the school be orthodox in teaching and have strong Catholic Identity. If they do not tell them that is the reason you are not choosing them.

 

[Trader]

Vouchers are not necessarily the answer. Many Christian schools refuse to take them as they come with strings. I wish the Catholic schools were as aware on this.

What is wrong with this picture?

This is a real problem if the voucher program is poorly designed. Indiana’s plan only requires that the schools are accredited and that parental income limits are met. All voucher students accepted by private schools are required to meet the same standards as other students. That includes religion classes, if they are required for everyone else. While some voucher students here were asked to leave because they were not a good fit, the retention rate for first year voucher students is actually higher than the retention rate in our public schools.

It was also a big financial gain for the taxpayers because the vouchers for private schools cost less per student than the public schools. Our program has been a win-win for everyone. Only the teacher unions and a few anti-religion extremists are still opposed to vouchers in Indiana.

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[NewEnglandPriest]

Look out! You’re starting to sound like me!

Secularism in schools all depends on where you are. In some communities its not bad, in others its like something out of a sci-fi movie. Either way, many parents are concerned that their children aren’t being taught in a true “separation of Church and state” manner but rather in an anti-faith manner. Unfortunately for many of them Catholic education is simply too expensive.

But all that said, it still can be done. We’re barely above average family income in our area and make it work. I drive a 17 year old econocar, learned to do all my own car and home repairs, we drive and camp on vacation instead of fly/hotel and we have no cable TV. And we’re broke. But we manage.

I wish more people had your attitude in the suburbs. Its amazing how large families used to live in tiny apartments and now tiny families live is large houses. Growing up my family did quite well, but that’s because we did what you are doing. We didn’t have anything new, but we had everything we needed. But I will say, in city parishes in my area the families are driving older cars, living in apartments or small homes, don’t take vacations and still can’t afford a Catholic school. So much for the social safety net of the liberal northeast…

The key is that catholic schools have to demonstrate to faithful catholic parents that they are WORTH it. If they are just a typical secular school setup with 1/3 the budget and a religion class and monthly mass tacked on as afterthoughts, it ISN’T worth it. But if the faith permeates the place, the faculty and curriculum I’ll sell my grandma’s diamond heirloom ring before I’ll send my kids off to a government school for their education and formation. (And don’t kid yourself, there is no such thing as “values-free education”).

Agreed, there’s other private schools out there if someone only wants a secular education.

 

[He_Man]

We have truly private catholic schools (not part of the parish, and not sponsored by the diocesan education office) in the area here too. IMO, they are so expensive that in spite of the excellence they may have in instruction the environment can sometimes be one of exclusive private school rather than devoted catholic school. And IMO that’s a bad thing. There are two things that tend to compete with catholic identity in a catholic school for the soul of the community: exclusivity and sports. In an awful lot of cases one or the other of these becomes the false idol that is worshipped instead of God. Investigate, be nosy, be pushy and find out what the place is like. If Christ truly is the center, then maybe it’s worth the heroic sacrifice (especially if the parish schools DON"T have this focus). If Christ is a figurehead and Mammon is worshipped instead, RUN!

Very true. The Catholic identity must come first. Once that list of faithful Catholic schools has been established, the parent can see which ones provide the best education within their budget. But a good education with no Catholic identity is a waste of money and obvious no-no.

Now if only I knew whether or not tuition counts as part of our tithe…

 

[manualman]

Now if only I knew whether or not tuition counts as part of our tithe…

I’d say yes, but the key word is “part.” Our tuition budget is as large as our other giving budget, but in fairness our parish kicks in some of the tuition cost that we’d have to eat ourselves if we were non-parishioners.

But we think it’s important for our kids to see us actually giving to the poor, so we still include organizations like Christian Foundation for Children and the Aging, sometimes Food for the Poor, and sometimes food assistance for families in need in our own parish so that our kids learn the value of caring for others beyond our immediate family. Volunteering time as well as treasure is another way you can plug holes in the giving budget.

 

[He_Man]

I’d say yes, but the key word is “part.” Our tuition budget is as large as our other giving budget, but in fairness our parish kicks in some of the tuition cost that we’d have to eat ourselves if we were non-parishioners.

But we think it’s important for our kids to see us actually giving to the poor, so we still include organizations like Christian Foundation for Children and the Aging, sometimes Food for the Poor, and sometimes food assistance for families in need in our own parish so that our kids learn the value of caring for others beyond our immediate family. Volunteering time as well as treasure is another way you can plug holes in the giving budget.

I agree on all counts. Not only could I not in good conscience cut out all charity, but it would send a message to my children about priorities I didn’t want them to have. Yes, there education needs to come first, but I have never let it subsume our charitable giving. Time, talent, and treasure are all commodities within the Church.