Catholic Sharia Law

[InSearchofGrace]

I definitely don’t get my morality from reading the Old Testament - far too problematic that.

But homosexuality is against the natural law, not the moral law.

Just pointing out that homosexual acts are against both natural and moral laws.

*2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.*

Definitions of Natural Law and Moral Law - From the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Simplified
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[Darryl1958]

Stoning of adulterers was/is* Jewish* law. Christians are told that marriage is forever, but do not stone people that commit adultery.

Jesus fulfilled the Jewish law. It does not apply to Christians.

Christian law, if you will, resolves around forgiveness, not punishment, as least here on earth.

There has been no stoning of adulteresses in the Jewish state of Israel either. This is an obsolete practice among primitives. It is hardly the mark of a particularly religious or civilized people any more.

 

[JonathonofOhio]

It’s not picking and choosing as if the bible is some sort of guide book that God wrote and then gave to us and said “Do all these things”. The bible contains historical accounts, stories passed down through the ages, and information about the Hebrew Laws in the Old Testament. It is included in the bible as a reference for Christians since Jesus and His disciples often quote writings found in the OT.

The Law of Grace is what Christians follow, which has it’s foundation in the Laws of Moses. Jesus gave His Church understanding of His teachings by way of the Holy Spirit, and He taught them everything they know concerning the Law of Grace and Love. Scripture is used as a tool for instruction, not as the authority. The Church is the authority.

In the New Testament there is a story of a woman who is about to be stoned for just such a thing you are talking about. Jesus says: “Let the one who is without sin, cast the first stone.” And they all left, and the woman was spared. This demonstrates that the law of stoning someone to death is not God’s Law, but man’s law. In other instance, Jesus instructed the people to not only obey the Ten Commandments, but also to love one another.

It’s not about picking and choosing: It’s about understanding what is God’s Law and what is man’s law, and then obeying God’s Law.

 

[razredge]

Just pointing out that homosexual acts are against both natural and moral laws.

Definitions of Natural Law and Moral Law - From the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Simplified
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Yes - correct, my post came out wrong

 

[Prophesy]

Pro-homosexual polemicists advance the hermeneutic error that prohibition against homosexuality in the Old Testament fell under Judaic ceremonial law, like ancient clothing rules, procedures in planting a field and dietary restrictions. This is theological revisionism.

The laws in Leviticus 18 to 20, where homosexuality is specifically prohibited, contain a mixture of timeless and temporal principles. Some of the sins listed in the Levitical holiness code were labeled “abominations” and the prescription for violations of the same was death. Most of the sins listed in this category are still considered egregious today, ranging from incest to adultery and homosexuality. Guidelines in the same Levitical texts for how to dress and how to sow one’s field and other lesser matters, however, were not called “abominations.” Nor was the punishment for violating their guidelines as severe.

Don’t forget that homosexuality is also listed as a sin in the New Testament, something that also gets overlooked by activists.

-Prophesy

 

[severus68]

Years ago I came across a news piece that told about the stoning of a married Muslim woman who had commited adultary. I was outraged, but then I remembered that the Bible also calls for such punishment and suddenly did not know what to think.

20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

I often see the term ‘cafeteria Christian’ applied to people who dissent from this or that church teaching. The impression is that people are “picking and choosing” which part of the faith they are going to follow, but then I realized in the above example that Catholics also pick and choose which laws we are going to enforce. The Lord tells us that anyone who divorces and remarries while their former spouse is still alive has committed adultery and the penalty for this is death. However, I rarely hear the Catholic hierarchy advocating for divorce limitations, let alone penalties for adultery!!!

Ever since, I have been wondering why the Church doesn’t have its own form of Sharia law that governs not only adultary and divorce, but also other aspects of sex, diet, clothing, purity, uncleanliness, etc., and then actively enforce it.

As we are Christians, followers of Christ. He showed us a new way and His said that the greatest commandment is love. We are not fundamentalist Muslims. Even Israel does not have those penalties in its laws.

BTW the Church would have to control the world to enact such laws and enforce them.

 

[severus68]

Hi-reading with interest and also deep gratitude of Jesus’ love for mankind. I was a fallen-away catholic in a baptist faith but came back in 2005, I was also married invalidly to my husband but while pregnant with our third child, he left and filed for divorce. I felt so abandoned and alone-still dealing with the hurt and pain for I didn’t want the divorce and wanted healing in the marriage. All this took place in 2002. The reason I was married invalidly (1990) was because both mom and sister had terminal cancer-we married in my dad’s lutheran church. I later tried to see about getting our marriage valid in the catholic church but me and my husband with serious issues and lots of mental abuse and everything, I gave that all up. I even became baptist in hopes of one less differences to divide us. Divorce hurt me, and my children-my 17-yr-old is still affected by that. I have came back and now receive the sacraments. My 8-yr-old daughter just received her first holy communion 3 wks ago, and as for my 17-yr-old-I am seeking lots of prayers-there are lots of pain and anger and everything-and some of my choices, although my intentions was good could have been done differently. My middle son-age 15 with high-functioning autism lives with his dad. Both my ex and my own father blames me for my son’s autism-which really hurts a lot. And I also learned through the VA (I"m an air force veteran and reservist) that I also have mild aspergers, along with my 8-yr-old daughter. My oldest also has social anxiety issues-a lot of it compounded by the chaos of the marriage and divorce. We are in counseling, attending church (my younger daughter and I) and I am guessing why Jesus may have went from shunning or punishing to love and forgiveness is because He knew that as much as God hates divorce, He still loves the person. I hate divorce, too-and is feeling remorseful of a lot of pain it caused me and my children, and how the cycle affected all of us. My oldest said that since the divorce, I’ve changed-I am not the same mom I used to be-and I try so hard to bounce back to the mom I was before yet it is so hard. Trying to make ends meet, the budget, and everything else-no support from family, only church and “air force family” and friends and neighbors, so I lean on God and feel at least at peace with Jesus’ love for me and my kids. I had never been unfaithful to my husband or anything-it is just the issues he kept running me down over-a lot of it (I’m not using this as an excuse) is little things I couldn’t help myself over such as him coming up behind me and I’d stiffen being caught off-guard-stuff like that pertaining to aspergers. I will never get in another relationship ever again-just know that it would be better to stay single and try to find healing for my kids. Especially my two teen agers-all that anger with my oldest-oh boy! I am just thankful for God’s love and not having the sharia laws in place-I’d been in a grave otherwise, I guess. :bighanky::grouphug:

God bless you and your family and give you the strength and comfort to bear and get through all your problems.

 

[severus68]

There has been no stoning of adulteresses in the Jewish state of Israel either. This is an obsolete practice among primitives. It is hardly the mark of a particularly religious or civilized people any more.

Agreed.