Catholic sins that do not break the golden rule

[hellopeople]

I am going to list a bunch of things that are “grave matters” according to the church that do not break the golden rule. Please add to them if you would like.

Homosexual actions
Masturbation
Condom use
Any ceremonial obligation (confession, eucharist, etc)

So, if these things do not go against the greatest commandment, why are they grave matters?

 

[Bookcat]

I am going to list a bunch of things that are “grave matters” according to the church that do not break the golden rule. Please add to them if you would like.

Homosexual actions
Masturbation
Condom use
Any ceremonial obligation (confession, eucharist, etc)

So, if these things do not go against the greatest commandment, why are they grave matters?

They all do break the golden rule. Some more than others…

Every sin does. For every sin has an effect on others.

Of course the golden rule is not the greatest commandment…

 

[Bookcat]

Catechism:

2055 When someone asks him, “Which commandment in the Law is the greatest?” Jesus replies: “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the prophets.” The Decalogue must be interpreted in light of this twofold yet single commandment of love, the fullness of the Law:
The commandments: "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[puzzleannie]

I am going to list a bunch of things that are “grave matters” according to the church that do not break the golden rule. Please add to them if you would like.

Homosexual actions
Masturbation
Condom use
Any ceremonial obligation (confession, eucharist, etc)

So, if these things do not go against the greatest commandment, why are they grave matters?

all of these are assaults on human dignity and so offend and directly harm all of us, so they do indeed break the golden rule

 

[Pug]

You have misidentified the greatest commandment. At least it sounds like you believe the greatest commandment is the Golden Rule. It is not.

An easy help to figure out what the Church might call a grave sin is to look for things that are serious violations against the Decalogue. For example, having false/other gods can be one. However, this is not categorized primarily as a violation of the Golden Rule. Still, sins that fall in that category can be grave.

 

[JRKH]

I am going to list a bunch of things that are “grave matters” according to the church that do not break the golden rule. Please add to them if you would like.

Homosexual actions
Masturbation
Condom use
Any ceremonial obligation (confession, eucharist, etc)

So, if these things do not go against the greatest commandment, why are they grave matters?

Everyone of these things goes against the Greatest commandment.

Mt 22:36-40 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And He said to him, " YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' 38 "This is the great and foremost commandment. 39 "The second is like it, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ 40 “On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

How can you Love the Lord your God as speled out above and wish to offend God through actions that are not ordered toward His Glory and the Advancing of His Kingdom on Earth?

Peace
James

 

[hellopeople]

all of these are assaults on human dignity and so offend and directly harm all of us, so they do indeed break the golden rule

How so? How is masturbating not treating others the way I want to be treated? I am only doing it to myself. What about homosexuality? Please explain in a clear way how masturbation, which one does by themselves, has to do with anyone else. You could make the argument that it ends up causing other actions that would violate the golden rule, but it isn’t actually masturbation that breaks it.

 

[jmcrae]

How so? How is masturbating not treating others the way I want to be treated? I am only doing it to myself.

At best, it is a waste of time that takes you away from your natural duties. At worst, it takes you away from your wife and the unity that you ought to be experiencing with her, which is a violation of the marital covenant. In either case, it takes you away from what you ought to be doing for other people, so yes, it breaks the commandment to love others. Plus, it is a very disgusting and very selfish activity, in and of itself.

What about homosexuality?

This is a violation of the human body, which is an intrinsic and important part of the person.

 

[hellopeople]

At best, it is a waste of time that takes you away from your natural duties. At worst, it takes you away from your wife and the unity that you ought to be experiencing with her, which is a violation of the marital covenant. In either case, it takes you away from what you ought to be doing for other people, so yes, it breaks the commandment to love others. Plus, it is a very disgusting and very selfish activity, in and of itself.

This is a violation of the human body, which is an intrinsic and important part of the person.

By the explanation that it takes time away from helping others…so does basically anything. Sleeping takes time away from helping others. Most people could probably function just fine on 6 hours of sleep…those extra two you might try to sneak in MUST be sinful because you aren’t helping others.

As for masturbation being disgusting and homosexuality being a violation of the human body, those are only opinions. It is completely subjective.

 

[EmeraldWings]

no matter what sin you commit, it always hurts Jesus, who took on all of our sins.
*
“Master, which is the greatest commandment in the law? Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.”*

 

[hellopeople]

no matter what sin you commit, it always hurts Jesus, who took on all of our sins.
*
“Master, which is the greatest commandment in the law? Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.”*

Who has the authority to say something is a sin though? Many would say the church, but I will not accept something JUST because the church says it. I must rationally deduce it.

 

[LilyM]

Who has the authority to say something is a sin though? Many would say the church, but I will not accept something JUST because the church says it. I must rationally deduce it.

So how can you rationally deduce that idolatry is a sin then? Or blasphemy? Yet they are, unless you don’t believe in any deity or deities capable of being offended by such. If you believe in a god or gods, tell us how you rationally deduced such a belief.

 

[OceanMist]

Who has the authority to say something is a sin though? Many would say the church, but I will not accept something JUST because the church says it. I must rationally deduce it.

Sin is harmful and causes confusion in thinking. God is all that is good, what good comes from masturbation? Masturbation leads to unholy thoughts and can make it harder to resist sexual intercourse with someone in the future. How is setting yourself up for other sins a good thing, for temporary pleasure when it is taught that All sexual acts outside of marriage are unholy/wrong?

As for the authority thing, God told Peter, the rock upon which He built his Church on earth, “Anything you have leased on earth will be leased in heaven as well.” Only the Catholic Church has anyone claiming to have a successor of St. Peter.

 

[LilyM]

I am going to list a bunch of things that are “grave matters” according to the church that do not break the golden rule. Please add to them if you would like.

Homosexual actions
Masturbation
Condom use
Any ceremonial obligation (confession, eucharist, etc)

So, if these things do not go against the greatest commandment, why are they grave matters?

Question has been asked and answered. They DO go against the greatest commandment, they do NOT go against the Golden Rule which isn’t the greatest commandment. That is why they are grave sins - surely something which goes against the greatest commandment is a grave sin, no?

Your comments afterwards have nothing whatsoever to do with the original topic. How can you rationally deduce that something that goes against the Golden Rule is grave matter either? Or anything else?

 

[StillWondering]

Who has the authority to say something is a sin though? Many would say the church, but I will not accept something JUST because the church says it. I must rationally deduce it.

In official Church documents, there are rational explanations of why all of those are sins. Have you read those? If you have and it’s the logic of it that you have difficulty with, then we can get much more detailed. Create a post with the link of the Church teaching, including the way and explain why or what does not make sense about the logic. For a rational discussion, focus on the logic behind it. By the way, there are many reasons to when an act becomes sinful, but focus on the full rational arguments. And remember, to give the context and intention of the acts in the discussion.

 

[kage_ar]

Jesus said “I Am the Way, the Truth and the Life”.

Since Jesus IS the Truth, His Church holds the keys to that Truth.

 

[EmeraldWings]

Who has the authority to say something is a sin though? Many would say the church, but I will not accept something JUST because the church says it. I must rationally deduce it.

God has the authority to say something is a sin, and God has given that authority to His church,
the church gives us many reasons to believe what it teaches, reasonable, rational, logical reasons, which you can easily find,
but most importantly we need faith, which does not simply mean to believe without seeing or believe blindly, but to believe based on reason.
the church isn’t asking us to take everything it says and believe without understanding, they give us every means possible to understand, it’s just a matter of looking and reading and praying that God will guide you and help you to understand.

but anyways, you started talking about sins that do not break the golden rule…so in the first place you admit that they are sins…so what exactly are you saying in response to what i said in regard to your post?

 

[hellopeople]

God has the authority to say something is a sin, and God has given that authority to His church,
the church gives us many reasons to believe what it teaches, reasonable, rational, logical reasons, which you can easily find,
but most importantly we need faith, which does not simply mean to believe without seeing or believe blindly, but to believe based on reason.
the church isn’t asking us to take everything it says and believe without understanding, they give us every means possible to understand, it’s just a matter of looking and reading and praying that God will guide you and help you to understand.

but anyways, you started talking about sins that do not break the golden rule…so in the first place you admit that they are sins…so what exactly are you saying in response to what i said in regard to your post?

If you notice I explicitly state “Catholic sins”…as in sins according to the Catholic church. As for the apostolic succession, I don’t buy it. I will not accept something just because the church says it is true.

As for God helping me understand…I believe that He is doing just that. Except I am looking more at the bigger picture than the details.

 

[TedDC]

Jesus said “I Am the Way, the Truth and the Life”.

Since Jesus IS the Truth, His Church holds the keys to that Truth.

That logic does not work.

 

[wanner47]

If you notice I explicitly state “Catholic sins”…as in sins according to the Catholic church. As for the apostolic succession, I don’t buy it. I will not accept something just because the church says it is true.

As for God helping me understand…I believe that He is doing just that. Except I am looking more at the bigger picture than the details.

And how do you know you are right? Or that you are interpreting God correctly?