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In most European and other languages there is the formal use of personal pronouns and informal use according to whom we are addressing. This is the same for Semitic languages too.
The use of colloquial English in the Bible seems very disrespectful to me. This would never be so in other languages. I pray that we keep our sense of reverence through our use of language especially in discerning translations of Sacred Scripture.
 
I solve this problem by having several different bibles-- two study bibles and one that I read for prose and reading. I use both the Ignatius Study bible and the Oxford English Bible for compare and contrast. But… when I want to read the bible for direction, spiritual reading and personal edification, I read the Knox Bible. That has truly beautiful and inspiring language. He renders the words of Jesus powerful without going archaic. Personally, I don’t mind archaic, but it does get distracting sometimes. Also, I require more mental separation from the KJV.

It is my opinion that the Knox bible should be read at mass. It is stunningly clear without the childish constructions, and you can’t weasel your way into believing what you want to believe. Sure, Knox upset the literalist crowd, the “historical Jesus” crowd, and the “love is all you need” crowd, but that is as it should be. His notes aren’t as copious as in the Ignatius Bible. Though sparse, they are VERY helpful, and add a new dimension to the Ignatius Bible.

Further, it has a melodic cadence, which works well for singing. We wouldn’t have to do a double take when the psalms being sung have different wording from what’s in the missal. Older bibles paid attention to this sort of thing, and we ignore it to our peril-- especially in the liturgy.
 
TimothyH said:
Well, based on your response here I’ll have a second look. If you feel it is valuable then I am willing to give it a chance. I have no experience with the Jerusalem Bible.

The illustrations really didn’t do anything for me through. My main concern is not the commentary or notes or illustrations but the inspired text.

I appreciate your having take the time to respond and offer a differing viewpoint in a nice way. 🙂

-Tim-
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I have the JB and have used it for years. It has plenty of cross references and footnotes. I have written in plenty of my own notes too. My one regret is that now that I have gotten more in depth in my bible study I am a little sorry that I didn’t start with the DR. I am finding that some of the translations in the JB leave a lot to be desired compared to the DR. Where I find this I just change the words in my JB.

I also have the CCB and but haven’t spent much time with it.

I find the DR with Haydock excellent.

God Bless
 
Waynec said:
I have the JB and have used it for years. It has plenty of cross references and footnotes. I have written in plenty of my own notes too. My one regret is that now that I have gotten more in depth in my bible study I am a little sorry that I didn’t start with the DR. I am finding that some of the translations in the JB leave a lot to be desired compared to the DR. Where I find this I just change the words in my JB.
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It is impossible for me not to ask. What words did you change?
 
_thaddeus said:
It is impossible for me not to ask. What words did you change?
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A quick search of my bible

Daniel 12:4 JB says wickedness DR true knowledge.

John 3:3 JB I tell you most solemnly DR Truly, truly, I say to you

Daniel 9:16 JB…have become a byword all among us DR …are a reproach to us

Isaiah 40:26 JB Who made these stars if not he who drills them like an army
DR Who created these he who brings out their host by numbers.

Isaiah 45:18 JB… created it no chaos but a place to be lived it
DR …he did not create in vain but a place to be lived in

Matt.6:11 JB Give us today our daily bread
DR Give us today our super-substantial bread

These are just a few in quickly scanning my bible now.

Some verses I actually printed them out and pasted them over the verses in the JB.because it was just too much to change the words.

They probably all mean the same thing but I just like the way the DR is translated . As I said before, if I didn’t have so many of my own notes in the JB I would us the DR.
 
Waynec said:
A quick search of my bible

Daniel 12:4 JB says wickedness DR true knowledge.

John 3:3 JB I tell you most solemnly DR Truly, truly, I say to you

Daniel 9:16 JB…have become a byword all among us DR …are a reproach to us

Isaiah 40:26 JB Who made these stars if not he who drills them like an army
DR Who created these he who brings out their host by numbers.

Isaiah 45:18 JB… created it no chaos but a place to be lived it
DR …he did not create in vain but a place to be lived in

Matt.6:11 JB Give us today our daily bread
DR Give us today our super-substantial bread

These are just a few in quickly scanning my bible now.

Some verses I actually printed them out and pasted them over the verses in the JB.because it was just too much to change the words.

They probably all mean the same thing but I just like the way the DR is translated . As I said before, if I didn’t have so many of my own notes in the JB I would us the DR.
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Thanks Waynec.
But the JB has so many more notes! I like the DRC and use it regularly to check out different phrases. I picked a couple of your examples just for an A-B comparison with notes.​

John 3:3

JB 3 Jesus answered:
‘I tell you most solemnly,
unless a man is born from above,[a]
he cannot see the kingdom of God’.**

3a. To be preferred to ‘again’.
3b. A phrase common in the Synoptics, Mt 4:17+, but occurring only here (and v. 5) in Jn; its Johannine equivalent is ‘life’ or ‘eternal life’.

DRC 3 Jesus answered, and said to him: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.​

Matthew 6:11

JB 11 Give us today our daily[c] bread.

6c. The Greek word is obscure: this traditional rendering is a probable one. Other possibilities: ‘necessary for subsistence’ or ‘for tomorrow’. Whatever the exact translation the sense is that we must ask God for the sustenance we need in this life but for no more–not for wealth or luxury. The Fathers applied this text to the bread of the Holy Eucharist.

DRC 11 Give us this day our supersubstantial bread.

11 “Supersubstantial bread”… In St. Luke the same word is rendered daily bread. It is understood of the bread of life, which we receive in the Blessed Sacrament.​

I agree that they mean the same thing but I just like the way the JB is translated.

“if I didn’t have so many of my own notes in the JB I would us the DR.”

It seems your JB is still useful to you.**
 
_thaddeus said:

Thanks Waynec.
But the JB has so many more notes! I like the DRC and use it regularly to check out different phrases. I picked a couple of your examples just for an A-B comparison with notes.​

John 3:3

JB 3 Jesus answered:
‘I tell you most solemnly,
unless a man is born from above,[a]
he cannot see the kingdom of God’.**

3a. To be preferred to ‘again’.
3b. A phrase common in the Synoptics, Mt 4:17+, but occurring only here (and v. 5) in Jn; its Johannine equivalent is ‘life’ or ‘eternal life’.

DRC 3 Jesus answered, and said to him: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.​

Matthew 6:11

JB 11 Give us today our daily[c] bread.

6c. The Greek word is obscure: this traditional rendering is a probable one. Other possibilities: ‘necessary for subsistence’ or ‘for tomorrow’. Whatever the exact translation the sense is that we must ask God for the sustenance we need in this life but for no more–not for wealth or luxury. The Fathers applied this text to the bread of the Holy Eucharist.

DRC 11 Give us this day our supersubstantial bread.

11 “Supersubstantial bread”… In St. Luke the same word is rendered daily bread. It is understood of the bread of life, which we receive in the Blessed Sacrament.​

I agree that they mean the same thing but I just like the way the JB is translated.

“if I didn’t have so many of my own notes in the JB I would us the DR.”

It seems your JB is still useful to you.**

Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.

Yes my JB is very useful. It is my go to bible for all things. For more clarification I go to the DR with Haydock commentary.
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A little off the subject, but I heard an interesting fun-fact about some of the language you are talking about. Thee, thou, thine - I always thought of it as formal way of speaking that has gone out of usage because we are so increasingly informal. Apparently (heard this from Fr Richard Simon who has a show on Relevant Radio) those forms of speech are actually “informal” (similar to tu vs. usted in spanish). It’s possible that there are some Quakers walking around who may still use that language - it is said that Richard Nixon’s mother spoke to him that way.

I find that an interesting insight because it means that when we read it in the bible, it indicates an informal, close and more intimate relationship between the speaker (i.e., ourselves) and God.
 
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