Catholic Teaching and Immunization Policy

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PetraG said:
When it is a matter of trust, then it is prudent to ask whether trust is reasonable in a particular set of circumstances. Immunization has wiped out diseases, where there is compliance
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Yes. The problem is that they’ve gone from a handful of vaccines to a bucketload cocktail of shots on a very aggressive schedule beginning inside the womb, and the very first thing out of the womb with a HepB shot, Assuming the baby becomes sexually promiscuous years latter—as if a tiny newborn’s brain is ready for government suggested preventive shots, trusting their “evidence” that they are safe and not harmful to a tiny little brain. And just watch all those before and after videos of healthy children turning into brain-injured children after certain vaccines, or the schoolchildren in poor nations having violent reactions to government mandated vaccines. It’s a question of trust; lots of people simply do not trust anymore.
 
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I always believed the news, that some Congressman took up the stick against this horse. That was not the reason for my dismissal. I have a bigger issue that he is standing against the CDC on a matter of what type of scientific studies would be fruitful and needed. So out of curiosity, I looked up his education.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Posey
In 1969, he graduated from Brevard Community College with an Associate of Arts degree.

He got a job with McDonnell Douglas, and did Apollo Space Program work at Kennedy Space Center till he was laid off.[3] From 1974 to 1976, Bill Posey worked on the Rockledge Planning Commission. In 1976, he was elected as a member of the City Council, and from 1986 to 1992…
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From there on it is just political jobs.
 
Pup7 said:
I have an issue with HepB for someone 24 hours old
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You have an issue even though there is no study or evidence that there is any harm whatsoever?? Why don’t you just trust the CDC and do what they say. You don’t trust them? Why not?
 
Gab123 said:
…Assuming the baby becomes sexually promiscuous years latter—as if a tiny newborn’s brain is ready for government suggested preventive shots, trusting their “evidence” that they are safe and not harmful to a tiny little brain…
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Sexually promiscuous? These are diseases that can be transmitted without sexual activity…at least, one presumes that the small children contracting HepB in other countries aren’t sexually active.
 
Erikaspirit16 said:
Not sure what you mean here. I think the medical people who actually create vaccines, etc. are great, and although there might be a couple bad apples, I wouldn’t say they are corrupt. I think (since I’ve seen it first hand–in several jobs) corruption sets in because private companies are in business to make profits first and foremost.
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There are Systems, and there are individuals. I have many issues with the education system and love individual teachers. I take many issues with overpriced, for-profit health care and love individual doctors. I’m sure that there are ethical, dedicated scientists working for vaccine manufacturers.
Erikaspirit16 said:
I may get in trouble with Pup7 and others here, but I don’t see any other way around it: vaccines and medical research needs to be government owned and run.
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I agree wholeheartedly and already took those bullets for you upthread. 😉
Erikaspirit16 said:
Without getting into all the details, it seems to me that a lot of people are looking for certainty in medicine, and they’re not going to find it. Any operation has an element of risk to it. So does any pill–even aspirin. Just read all those side effects, or listen to them on the TV ads. (And you have to ask yourself why the drug companies are allowed to advertise directly to the public anyway. Other countries think that’s nuts, which it is.) For example, maybe you should take some hormone for osteoporosis…but wait, that increases your risk of cancer! So it goes with almost all medicines nowadays–it might help this over here, but it increases your risk over there. It’s up to you and your doctor to weigh the odds based on your own particular medical historiy. There is no sure thing!
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I not only agree but I see this as a case against vaccine mandates. If there were certainty, mandates would be justified.
 
I don’t like the tactic of discrediting people who ask questions. He is a representative. He is asking questions as part of a congressional inquiry. He did it based on a CDC official who is a whistleblower who claims that the CDC altered a study which was used to exonerate the MMR from suspicion as a factor in Autism. He claimed whistleblower protection, according to the article I posted. These are just some of the reasons why parents do not take the CDC pronouncements as gospel. Any more that people believe the FBI these days. How can you blame them?
 
Myles_Falworth said:
I don’t like the tactic of discrediting people who ask questions. He is a representative.
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I didn’t discredit him. I checked his credentials for evaluating science. I posted them. The CDC is to not to be trusted, but politicians are? On this, I will agree to disagree. Again, autism/MMR link is not scientific, and the element that was suspected was discontinued anyway as a precaution while the study was examined. I asked this earlier, but the CDC is hardly the only source for information. If one does not trust them, they can always turn to other sources, like professional organizations, other countries, or their own doctor.
 
Erikaspirit16 said:
I may get in trouble with Pup7 and others here, but I don’t see any other way around it: vaccines and medical research needs to be government owned and run.
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On the other hand, look how the CDC has been attacked. I think you have highlighted a legitimate issue. I do not know if government-only research is the answer, as that too is problematic. Medical research is not the only area in which money taints science. Ideally, researchers need to never know where their funding comes from, but I do not see how that is possible.
 
I and many many parents, are grateful that some politicians are asking hard questions. They do not have to have “credentials” for evaluating science. They can hire people for that. But when scientists are called to answer public questions about what they are doing - especially when those scientists are subject to Congressional oversight, for the good of the people, and when those scientists, or at least the bureaucrats in charge of CDC, IOH and others have lost the faith of the public, then they had better give answers and be transparent. Otherwise the whole operation needs to be cleaned out or taken over.
 
pnewton said:
On the other hand, look how the CDC has been attacked.
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Many of those attacks are valid. Comb through the British Medical Journal online, and you’ll learn that the CDC’s questionable ethics and practices have been the target of international scrutiny. That is why I don’t always consider it a credible source of information.
 
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blackforest said:
Many of those attacks are valid.
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I am hearing contradictory things. One, they are not to be trusted. Two, the government should do all the research. The solution to research is to give it to government, who is not to be trusted? Do you see why these two ideas seem at odds with each other?

As to other governments questioning the CDC, that is a good thing. Did any of them question them enough to do any of the research they had questions about?
 
PetraG said:
These are diseases that can be transmitted without sexual activity…at least, one presumes that the small children contracting HepB in other countries aren’t sexually active.
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yes more chemicals right into a newborn baby; chemical cocktails of disease insurance, all the SIDS cases, brain damage and zero research on how all these chemicals interact with one another and their long term effects on the immune system. This short little video might help put things in perspective:
 
pnewton said:
I am hearing contradictory things. One, they are not to be trusted. Two, the government should do all the research. The solution to research is to give it to government, who is not to be trusted? Do you see why these two ideas seem at odds with each other?
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The CDC is being criticized by medical professionals in Europe precisely because of its incestuous relationship with for-profit corporations. This would not be a problem if for-profit corporations were not developing the vaccines. Are you following?
pnewton said:
As to other governments questioning the CDC, that is a good thing. Did any of them question them enough to do any of the research they had questions about?
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My understanding is that the BMJ exists for that very reason. 🙂
 
Gab123 said:
yes more chemicals right into a newborn baby; chemical cocktails of disease insurance, all the SIDS cases, brain damage and zero research on how all these chemicals interact with one another and their long term effects on the immune system. This short little video might help put things in perspective:
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Thousands of children were infected with HepB annually, prior to immunization. It does not require sexual activity. There is a known case, for instance, of HepB transmission at a daycare due to a child who had a habit of scratching and biting. This is presumably the kind of thing that leads to transmission between children in the rest of the world.
The causal link between SIDS and vaccinations? People asked if there was one. Researchers have looked; the evidence is not there. The campaign to have children sleep on their backs, in contrast, lead to a significant decline in SIDS deaths. Failing to have your child vaccinated will not decrease the child’s chances of either SIDS or autism.
The only reason your child’s chances of getting HepB are lower than in other parts of the world is that here 90% of the other children are getting vaccinated. It isn’t some magic protection that we enjoy. It requires cooperation.
 
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blackforest said:
The CDC is being criticized by medical professionals in Europe precisely because of its incestuous relationship with for-profit corporations.
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That is not my question. What I am wondering, if they are so criticized, then where is the research that from these critics, the professional, well-funded, government entities abroad, that show the CDC has erred?
 
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