"Catholic teaching.. love one another.."

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A recent encounter has left me with so much to think about and so much sadness and heartache.

We run a market stall, fair and fine work to raise help for the homeless and overseas missions.

Last week, an American lady arrived suddenly at the stall. She said she had bought jam from us and was returning it. Unusual and we wondered what could be wrong with the jam.

There is our email on the jam label and it emerged trough a vitriolic verbal attack and anger that fairly scorched all before it, that she had managed to access our weblog via that address. I realised later that I had put the address there as there had been problems with messages that were left.

Confrontational and aggressive are mild words for her utter rage.

When I managed to sort out the issue? I had written a very calm and caring entry on homosexuality. It was pure catechism, but emphasised that no way would we treat anyone differently because of their sexuality. The eg I used was a former colleague in work at a retreat house, who was gay. As I said, we talked and laughed and ate and worked together, OF COURSe, but had he asked about that issue, my words would have been clear.

So I said to the American person as she screamed and raged, that all I had written was pure Catholic teaching.

Her reply… " I AM CATHOLIC. CATHOLIC TEACHING TELLS US TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER"

All i could suggest was that she reread the post…

She returned the jam as ?? some kind of gesture? Said she did not want her money back! As it has been away from the stall, we cannot use it of course.

What comes over is the totally inappropriate and… the word that comes is “disordered” behaviour she exhibited in a very public place.

If most of us read something we disagree with, we either simply turn away, or, if we have an email, write to the person.

Jesus indeed tells us to love onother; but that is half the verse… “as I have loved you…”

But all here know this!

It is the second time in a week someone has used this half verse to condone what is against the words of Jesus, and has averred that this is Christian.

It is the aggression here, the irrational actions that give grave concern. no “Come let us reason together…”

And it is not the first time that simply saying that this basic Christian teaching has met such dire opposition. Got thrown off more than one forum… And alsp physically attacked once.

It is this that creates such issues and problems, is it not? The sheer intolerance and bigotry of so many gays…It was an Anglican Bishop last year who pointed out the costant demands and demos by gays for “recognition” by the church were holding back its most basic work of teaching.

I am heartsick; and wonder what it is that is being taught these days? How anyone could boast of being Catholic with apparently no awaremess of basic teaching? Of the words of Jesus even? And to show such an extreme and violent reaction; nothing mattered to her except her feelings? Not the work we are there for, out in a ll weathers? What love is this?

Ache too as she is clearly so desperately unhappy; nothing I can do except pray for her. Such divisions so many create and so many riches and blessings and friendships they turn away from, because they cannot accept that we believe differently.

Thank you; I cannot get here often as our old laptop is dying!
 
Hi.

As you have seen, being Catholic does not imply perfection–that is, a clear understanding of teaching or the fortitude to accept and practice what our faith asks.

All that you can do here, in my opinion, is to pray that the person who returned your product can see her flaw in understanding the Church’s teachings.

At the same time, while it can be a profitable thing to note your faith on your product, it’s important to be ready to make a stronger defense than normal (while being charitable) for people who resist evangelizing text on your product. Not all who purchase may be ready to accept your thoughts–not even other Catholics. As such, you could put sales of your product at risk.
 
The Church has a different definition of love.

Would you encourage your child to drink poison because ‘it’s cool, all the other kids are doing it?’

Would you encourage someone to remain on the railroad tracks as a train speeds toward him?

Would you encourage someone to otherwise destroy his life and the life of the soul within him?

Love is about more than mere feel-goodism. It also encompasses fraternal warnings against mortally sinful behavior.

What intolerance and bigotry is it when you earnestly desire someone to steer clear of Hell?
 
Hi.

As you have seen, being Catholic does not imply perfection–that is, a clear understanding of teaching or the fortitude to accept and practice what our faith asks.

All that you can do here, in my opinion, is to pray that the person who returned your product can see her flaw in understanding the Church’s teachings.

At the same time, while it can be a profitable thing to note your faith on your product, it’s important to be ready to make a stronger defense than normal (while being charitable) for people who resist evangelizing text on your product. Not all who purchase may be ready to accept your thoughts–not even other Catholics. As such, you could put sales of your product at risk.
ah we don’t; we simply give an email address as sometimes folk like to contact us

And all know why we are selling anyway.

It is her distress that concerns also. How do we reach these? So much anger.
 
This issue of “loving” one another has been on my mind for some time. I think that to love someone is to want them to get to Heaven, and helping them on that journey. But if we’re helping someone we can’t just sit back and watch them sin knowing they’re putting their soul in jeopardy. But we’re also not supposed to judge each other or act superior, so it’s hard knowing where to draw the line. Yesterday i had a long heated conversation with someone who doesn’t believe in Hell. she’s been a Catholic for 60 yrs]. I ended up losing my cool and said: “If you don’t believe in Hell then you don’t believe in Jesus”.

I was very wound up and this heated discussion went on for hours. In the end she said “Oh, maybe this is the Protestant in me coming out”.[She converted when she married her late husband 60 yrs ago]. I was furious and felt she was a hypocrite and i got into a real rage and ended up going to Confession today. Then i apologized to her and all has been forgiven. But it has left me feeling weird; on the one hand i did the right thing defending Jesus, but on the other hand i sinned with anger and i ended up almost as guilty as her.

I don’t know where this post is going but i just felt like having a moan about it.😦
 
This issue of “loving” one another has been on my mind for some time. I think that to love someone is to want them to get to Heaven, and helping them on that journey. But if we’re helping someone we can’t just sit back and watch them sin knowing they’re putting their soul in jeopardy. But we’re also not supposed to judge each other or act superior, so it’s hard knowing where to draw the line. Yesterday i had a long heated conversation with someone who doesn’t believe in Hell. she’s been a Catholic for 60 yrs]. I ended up losing my cool and said: “If you don’t believe in Hell then you don’t believe in Jesus”.

I was very wound up and this heated discussion went on for hours. In the end she said “Oh, maybe this is the Protestant in me coming out”.[She converted when she married her late husband 60 yrs ago]. I was furious and felt she was a hypocrite and i got into a real rage and ended up going to Confession today. Then i apologized to her and all has been forgiven. But it has left me feeling weird; on the one hand i did the right thing defending Jesus, but on the other hand i sinned with anger and i ended up almost as guilty as her.

I don’t know where this post is going but i just felt like having a moan about it.😦
Thank you for this; this si what we do not do and why! I was once due to our work backed up against the potatoes in a supermarket by a bumptious Baptist who wantd to argue etc. I simply looked him full in the face and said… “There is ONLY JESUS.”…
it stopped him in his tracks and has worked several times since.

NB Jesus does not need us to defend Him…

Someone we know well spoke re her disbelief in hell once… I said quietly that Jesus speaks of it and her reply was, that that was only the translation. She was, like so many here, because of the massive clergy abuse, questioning many things and the dear Lord alone knows what she had been listening to. I left it there and then wrote to her later; at the end of the day, each chooses do they not?

We spoke a lot re gays etc too. She had fallen for the words of the so-called Bishop Buckley who is the prime example of how the “Love one another” gets distorted. I remidned her gently of a few things; his website teaches all about him… his theft of his house from the diocese and his anger and bitterness…all in the name of “compassion”:

Incidentally, she knew the man I referred to in the weblog; he had become gay after being so badly abused by a priest at seminary that he ended up in hospital. Would love to see stats on that as there re many such. He is a nice guy… Enjoyed working with him.

But I refuse to debate etc and say that. Argument tends to polarise? And gets nowhere.

This lady was different; usually the work we do openly is what binds us to all folk, of all traditions and none. I am wondering if it was the truth and the love in what she had read that aroused her anger like that? Maybe sounding off helped her? We simply never know. We get all kinds at the stall and so many are seeking now.

If she returns I shall be better prepared.
Blessings and peace…
 
‘Massive’ clergy abuse… or massive media piling-on?

Even one instance of abuse is too many. HOWEVER—there were and still are a great number of false accusations, ruining the lives of good priests, and the total number of ‘abusers’ is far lower than that of any other profession like teachers or psychiatrists.

I think someone once calculated it as perhaps one or two percent.

Maybe Jesus (or at least the Church) does need defending against a media and people willing and eager to trash the Bride of Christ.
 
‘Massive’ clergy abuse… or massive media piling-on?

Even one instance of abuse is too many. HOWEVER—there were and still are a great number of false accusations, ruining the lives of good priests, and the total number of ‘abusers’ is far lower than that of any other profession like teachers or psychiatrists.

I think someone once calculated it as perhaps one or two percent.

Maybe Jesus (or at least the Church) does need defending against a media and people willing and eager to trash the Bride of Christ.
So sad to read this spin; we are in Ireland and “massive” is too small a word. The figures here for offending priests is over 70% and that is not a typo; seventy per cent. No one here is trashing anything; the offending priests and sisters have done that well enough. Read some of what Arhcbishop Marrtin writes.

People here are disappointed and saddened.

And no, Jesus does not need anyone to defend Him. As for seeing this part of the Church as His Bride? No way.

Off the topic of course and you may want to ask yourself why you write this instead of re the issues here. Probably that angry person was one of the many damaged; we owe her our love. Not these hackneyed excuses!

Love Holy Mother Chruch too much to read this kind of thing, frankly; reality and penitence is needed.
 
I question your figures of seventy percent.

Not pointing to anyone personally but I have seen people who drag in the ‘abuse scandal’ tine after time. Makes me wonder what side they are on.

As for the difference between Christian love and the anything-goes-as-long-as-you’re-happy type - it has been amply explained in this thread by many.

The truth will stand.
 
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