Catholic teaching not found in the Bible

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someotherguy said:
Because the Bible doesn’t say that they were.
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YES, IT DOES!! :rolleyes:

Sorry to shout. Here it is for you, in the Bible:

Matthew 27:50-54

And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.

At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”

How can you say “The Bible does not say” what it quite obviously says? 🤷
 
jmcrae said:
YES, IT DOES!! :rolleyes:

Sorry to shout. Here it is for you, in the Bible:

Matthew 27:50-54

And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.

At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”

How can you say “The Bible does not say” what it quite obviously says? 🤷
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I say that the Bible does not say because I’m the only one here intellectually honest enough to examine that passage in it’s context and according to the analogy of scripture.
 
someotherguy said:
And I have already posted that passage, which does not include any mention of John praying to anyone.
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So, talking and listening to a heavenly being is not praying?

Well, then, I guess Catholics also do not pray to the Saints, so what was your question, again? 🤷
 
Camron said:
And now you’re finally starting to understand the Catholic understanding of the authority that God has entrusted to us. God does come to us by the Holy Spirit to call us to prayer, prayer for both the living and the dead, both of which are alive in Christ.
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The only thing God is calling you to is repentance.
 
someotherguy said:
I say that the Bible does not say because I’m the only one here intellectually honest enough to examine that passage in it’s context and according to the analogy of scripture.
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Now I am starting to wonder whether you know what the analogy of Scripture is?

How is this passage a picture from Heaven that shows us how to do something we have to do on earth?

The analogy of Scripture does not negate the literal meaning of Scripture, by the way - it builds on it. This and that. Not this instead of that.
 
someotherguy said:
I say that the Bible does not say because I’m the only one here intellectually honest enough to examine that passage in it’s context and according to the analogy of scripture.
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Ahhh…that’s it. You’re the only one here intellectually honest enough to examine that passage in it’s context and according to the analogy of scripture.

I see. Enjoy the thread guys. Someotherguy’s now been properly informed. He now needs to bring this newfound knowledge before God to be convinced of the Truth of the Catholic Church. The rest I’ll leave to prayer and God (and, of course, the Communion of Saints).
 
jmcrae said:
So, talking and listening to a heavenly being is not praying?

Well, then, I guess Catholics also do not pray to the Saints, so what was your question, again? 🤷
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You know, I just don’t know how to make it any simpler for you.
 
Camron said:
Ahhh…that’s it. You’re the only one here intellectually honest enough to examine that passage in it’s context and according to the analogy of scripture.
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Well, you all certainly aren’t willing to do it.
 
someotherguy said:
Well, you all certainly aren’t willing to do it.
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Sure we are. And we’ve been doing it all along for about 2000 years now. You’re the one who certainly isn’t willing to do it. That’s why at a certain point a discussion must be left to God. There’s only so much we can do. The rest is between you and God.

God bless you someotherguy. Have a good one.
 
mercygate said:
And don’t forget those “dead” martyrs under the altar in Revelaton 6 asking when their blood would be avenged. Not to mention the prayers of the saints being offered by those Elders in golden bowls of incense.

Seems like a WHOLE lot of communication is going on between the Church on earth and the Church in Heaven.
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Very true. 🙂

I posted the quotes earlier from the Book of Revelations. Even the Prostestant Bibles clearly show this once their denominational interpretive filters are removed.
 
someotherguy said:
The only thing God is calling you to is repentance.
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Yes. God does call me to repentance. And there are indeed quite a few things that I do need to repent of too. Praying to the saints isn’t one of those things I need to repent of though. Praying to the saints is something that God calls me to do over and over and over again.

See you later. 🙂
 
Camron said:
Sure we are. And we’ve been doing it all along for about 2000 years now.
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First, you’re not 2,000 years old.

Second, I know you’re not doing it because I’ve caught several of you taking scripture out of context and, so far, none of you even knows what the analogy of scripture is.
You’re the one who certainly isn’t willing to do it.
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Actually, I am doing it.
 
Camron said:
Yes. God does call me to repentance. And there are indeed quite a few things that I do need to repent of too. Praying to the saints isn’t one of those things I need to repent of though. Praying to the saints is something that God calls me to do over and over and over again.
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As long as you hold onto that sin, God cannot save you.

See you later. 🙂
 
someotherguy said:
But every time I do, you ignore it.
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This is post #202 on this thread. On this thread it is your forty-second.

In only one of your posts (#156) did you cite Scripture, and that was to quote verses that another poster had referred to.

Your allegation that “when” you cite book, chapter and verse of Scripture we ignore it is in flagrant disagreement with the facts, given your record of not citing any Scripture for us to ignore.
 
someotherguy said:
First, you’re not 2,000 years old.
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Thank God for small mercies. The Catholic Church is, though, and has been keeping records all that time.
Second, I know you’re not doing it because I’ve caught several of you taking scripture out of context and, so far, none of you even knows what the analogy of scripture is.
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Well, it doesn’t mean that you can deny the existence of the plain text of the Scriptures, and then impose a meaning on them that doesn’t show up anywhere else in the text. :rolleyes:
 
mercygate said:
This is post #202 on this thread. On this thread it is your forty-second.

In only one of your posts (#156) did you cite Scripture, and that was to quote verses that another poster had referred to.

Your allegation that “when” you cite book, chapter and verse of Scripture we ignore it is in flagrant disagreement with the facts, given your record of not citing Scripture for us to ignore.
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That’s a good point! 👍
 
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