Catholic Theology: Thomas Aquinas and Predestination

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The primary purpose of guns is not to kill people, but to accelerate bullets.
ok then, its good if a bullet injures. its good when a nuclear weapon causes mass destruction.
If one assumes that homosexuals by their nature have sex with with same-gendered people, then it would be a good for a homosexual to do so.
funny hearing that from a roman catholic. 😃

What do you think about this definition of ‘good’:

GOOD = whatever entails reverence towards either life, continuity, happiness, or human flourishing.
 
Another poster was right. This is best relegated to another topic. Though it deals with predestination and reprobation, it does so only tangentially, and really digs at more fundamental, dogmatic issues.

If you would like to talk this over further with other Catholics (and possibly myself) then starting a new thread may be a good idea.
ok i’ll create the thread.
 
ok then, its good if a bullet injures. its good when a nuclear weapon causes mass destruction.
I think we are misunderstanding “the good of the thing” and whether doing something is good.

Let’s look at the example of the gun again. A gun is not evil in itself. It can’t be, anymore than a cloud or a star or a book can itself be evil. In fact, nothing can be evil in itself, insofar as it exists (and as such derives its existence from God). A gun is just a collection of metals in a certain configuration, made by a certain person, for a given purpose (it’s end).

However, if I start shooting kittens with the gun, though the gun may be meeting its purpose, it may be a good gun, what I am doing is not good, because it is not for my right end, it is not an act that promotes virtue in my heart, it is not an act that assists the right end of the kittens, etc. However, I could use the gun to protect my household from a burglar, encouraging justice and freedom by my act. This could be a good, in that it preserves our freedom, protects our property, and encourages just action, which is a human virtue (part of the ideal person, or a person’s end).
funny hearing that from a roman catholic. 😃
You made up a condition that cannot possibly exist in nature. The way the world would look if that condition were met would be strange indeed, and even inconsistent. I believe that was my point.
What do you think about this definition of ‘good’:
GOOD = whatever entails reverence towards either life, continuity, happiness, or human flourishing.
Depending on what you mean by happiness, this would be a good definition of “good”, if one accepts “good” as applied to the human animal. If happiness is a state of virtue, a state of a person fulfilling his purpose and coming closer to the person God made him to be, then it is good to be happy.

However, even speaking about whether I think a definition is good violates the definition itself (if the definition is intended for a general application, referencing all senses of “good”), as a good definition is no more happy than a bad one. It just fulfills its purpose, to define, better than a bad one.
 
Depending on what you mean by happiness, this would be a good definition of “good”, if one accepts “good” as applied to the human animal. If happiness is a state of virtue, a state of a person fulfilling his purpose and coming closer to the person God made him to be, then it is good to be happy.
what i mean by happiness? you know, that joyful feeling & contentment that may or may not have anything to do with religion.

its good to be happy, whether or not you believe in God.
 
what i mean by happiness? you know, that joyful feeling & contentment that may or may not have anything to do with religion.
Happiness, as I would mean it, would be a state of virtue. You are correct, though, it is not required to be religious to have virtue, and so to be happy. Some atheists are very virtuous, and so very happy. There are many good atheists.

However, happiness as a feeling has little to do with goodness. After all, someone may feel good torturing people, a sadist, and that person would not be a good person, nor would his torture be a good act.
its good to be happy, whether or not you believe in God.
It is good to be happy. In fact, this is the good afforded by God to the reprobate, that they may indeed be happy upon this earth.
 
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