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Baptized and raised in a Catholic family I have become a Baptist as a middle aged adult and very happy with my new found closeness in Christ. But I have to say thank you to the Catholic church for somehow instilling in me the understanding of Jesus Christ as my Savior and Lord. I do not know how I know because all I can ever rememer learning as a child were rules of the church…what I could and what I couldn’t do. I don’t recall ever learning anything about the bible or the gospel…so I’m working backwards now and my child like faith is making it easier for me to understand. However, here are a few questions…I always associated my confirmation at age 13 as an equivalent to my baptism in the Baptist church (and baptism in the Catholic church as christening or child dedication in the Baptist church). Is this correct? I did profess my faith in front of my congregation and was baptized by immersion so that I could join my church but the Baptist don’t believe you have to do that to be a Christian, only that it is a sign of obedience as stated in the bible and the church requires it to be a member. 1) Is this a correct understanding that the Catholic Confirmation is in fact your public profession of faith in Christianity? and; 2) I can’t remember why we had to confess to a priest…actually I stopped 🙂 and started asking God to forgive me as a child but can’t remember what the Catholic line was on this?
 
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grwnginChrist:
I can’t remember why we had to confess to a priest…actually I stopped 🙂 and started asking God to forgive me as a child but can’t remember what the Catholic line was on this?
The Catholic line is that’s how Jesus set it up.

John 20:21-23
Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.”

Why would he give the apostles that power if he didn’t intend for them to use it?
 
As well as the other “Catholic line”:

(James 5:16)
"confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, and this will cure you."
 
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grwnginChrist:
only that it is a sign of obedience as stated in the bible and the church requires it to be a member.
Where does the Bible state baptism is ONLY a sign?
 
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grwnginChrist:
I always associated my confirmation at age 13 as an equivalent to my baptism in the Baptist church (and baptism in the Catholic church as christening or child dedication in the Baptist church). Is this correct? I did profess my faith in front of my congregation and was baptized by immersion so that I could join my church but the Baptist don’t believe you have to do that to be a Christian, only that it is a sign of obedience as stated in the bible and the church requires it to be a member. 1) Is this a correct understanding that the Catholic Confirmation is in fact your public profession of faith in Christianity?
When you were baptised, you became free of original sin and a child of God through Jesus’s redemptive power on the cross. Confirmation completes your Christian initiation into the Catholic Church with the laying of the hands by the bishop, and with your vows to accept all Catholic teachings as handed down by the apostles and Christ. That “public profession of faith” in Christianity first happened with your baptism via your parents and the Church community. Baptism is not a symbol in Catholicism - it is a Sacrament.

I’m glad you now have a deeper understanding of faith in Christ and are happy - a testimony to the graces you recieved in your Catholic upbringing. You can, tho, come back and have a fuller, more meaningful *living * faith in the Catholic Church. It’s never too late to come back! 👍
 
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grwnginChrist:
I did profess my faith in front of my congregation and was baptized by immersion so that I could join my church
From New Advent:

A friend of mine says she was baptized a Catholic when she was an infant, then rebaptized when her family became Baptists. What does rebaptism do, if anything?


If a person’s inititial baptism was valid, rebaptism does nothing to improve the state of the soul before God. Any valid baptism imprints a spiritual mark or character on the recipient’s soul. This mark cannot be destroyed or removed, so baptism can never be repeated. Any subsequent attempts at baptism will be invalid. They are at least materially an insult to the Holy Spirit, because they imply that what the Spirit did in the initial baptism was not sufficient. Usually, though, a person who receives a “second baptism” is not formally guilty of insulting the Holy Spirit since he has been mistaught concerning the efficacy of his initial baptism.

Because of the invalidity of subsequent baptisms and the danger of insulting the Holy Spirit (even materially), the Church is reluctant to apply the rite of baptism to a person who already has been baptized in a non-Catholic sect. Only if there is some reason to doubt the person’s initial baptism does the Church apply the rite of baptism to him–and then it does so conditionally. A conditional baptism has the form, “[Name], if you were not already baptized, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” This leaves the question of whether the person’s original baptism was valid up to God, and it shows that the Church never rebaptizes people baptized outside the Church.
 
Confirmation is actually the completion of Baptism. Catholics believe that in Baptism we receive actual graces and the forgiveness of Original Sin – and in the case of adults, the forgiveness of all actual sins committed – as well as receiving the Holy Spirit. Since Jesus said we must be baptized, we believe Baptism is essential (in the ordinary way of things) and not just an ordinance of obedience. Confirmation gives us the seal of the Holy Spirit for living out our Christian affirmation with all of the graces necessary to our condition of life. See *The Catechism of the Catholic Church, *available on line at: scborromeo.org/ccc.htm See paragraphs 1290-1317.

In practice, Confirmation in the Latin Rite – where it is usually conferred in adolescence – usually does, psychologically at least, amount to the affirmation you describe, but that is not the purpose or character of the Sacrament.

Confession? Ah. That’s the best part about being Catholic! The Scriptural warrants are: John 20:19-23:
On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.”
When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
The group addressed here is “the 11” (as recorded in Luke). So it is these Apostles who have the mandate from Jesus in Matthew 28:18-20:
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”
The warrant for passing on the apostolic authority (which includes forgiveness of sins) through the Church comes in Acts 2:15-26, the conclusion of which is that Matthias was “enrolled among the Apostles.”

For Confession, we also look to the authority of binding and loosing with the power of the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven and earth given to Peter in Mt. 16:18, and the same power of binding and loosing (but not the full authority of the Keys) shared by the Apostles (Mt. 18:18).

In 2nd Corinthians, Paul reports in reference to the incestuous man: “if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ.” Here he is exercising his authority to forgive sins “In persona Christi” – which is exactly what the Priest does in confession: ONLY God forgives sins. The Priest acts “in the person of Christ” when he pronounces the words of absolution.

Another scriptural warrant for Confession is in James 5:16: “confess your sins to one another.” In the context of the early Church that likely meant confessing openly, publicly, in the presence of the entire congregation :bigyikes: . The Church fairly early on modified that practice so that confessions did not have to be public. The writings of the Early Church Fathers indicate that the Priest was always essential to confession, even when, as in the letter of James, “confessing to one another.”

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grwnginChrist:
Baptized and raised in a Catholic family I have become a Baptist as a middle aged adult and very happy with my new found closeness in Christ. But I have to say thank you to the Catholic church for somehow instilling in me the understanding of Jesus Christ as my Savior and Lord. I do not know how I know because all I can ever rememer learning as a child were rules of the church…what I could and what I couldn’t do. I don’t recall ever learning anything about the bible or the gospel…so I’m working backwards now and my child like faith is making it easier for me to understand. However, here are a few questions…I always associated my confirmation at age 13 as an equivalent to my baptism in the Baptist church (and baptism in the Catholic church as christening or child dedication in the Baptist church). Is this correct? I did profess my faith in front of my congregation and was baptized by immersion so that I could join my church but the Baptist don’t believe you have to do that to be a Christian, only that it is a sign of obedience as stated in the bible and the church requires it to be a member. 1) Is this a correct understanding that the Catholic Confirmation is in fact your public profession of faith in Christianity? and; 2) I can’t remember why we had to confess to a priest…actually I stopped 🙂 and started asking God to forgive me as a child but can’t remember what the Catholic line was on this?
It sounds as if you had a rather poor education in the Catholic faith growing up and that is a shame. 😦 It is also true that you are not alone in this regard.😦

I am very glad that you are asking these questions, I think you will come to know the faith that you left is rich in Biblical truth and has led countless people to a loving relationship with Jesus.🙂

Trick
 
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grwnginChrist:
But I have to say thank you to the Catholic church for somehow instilling in me the understanding of Jesus Christ as my Savior and Lord. I do not know how I know because all I can ever rememer learning as a child were rules of the church…what I could and what I couldn’t do. I don’t recall ever learning anything about the bible or the gospel…?
Did you attend Mass every SUnday? There are three bible readings during every mass. How could you not get the bible when going to mass? I was baptist and I can assure you that there is more bible readings in a Catholic mass then I can remember during a Baptist service.

One of the purposes of each and every mass is to recieve communion. That makes the focus of a Catholic service different then most Protestants. Protestants spend an hour going over less verses then the priest talks about in his alloted time. Maybe this is why some Catholics claim to not hear the bible during mass.

I have to admit that as a convert to Catholism, I am wondering what church some people attended when they claim that they were never taught the gospel as a Catholic child.
 
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deb1:
Did you attend Mass every SUnday? There are three bible readings during every mass. How could you not get the bible when going to mass? I was baptist and I can assure you that there is more bible readings in a Catholic mass then I can remember during a Baptist service.

One of the purposes of each and every mass is to recieve communion. That makes the focus of a Catholic service different then most Protestants. Protestants spend an hour going over less verses then the priest talks about in his alloted time. Maybe this is why some Catholics claim to not hear the bible during mass.

I have to admit that as a convert to Catholism, I am wondering what church some people attended when they claim that they were never taught the gospel as a Catholic child.
I think you bring up very good points.
I think many ex-Catholics may say they just went thru the motions of going to Mass, and they think the Bible wasn’t stressed because the priest didn’t take a short Bible verse and disect it and repeat it over and over as they do in many protestant churches.

Trick
 
Welcome to the board, grwnginChrist. 🙂 Others have answered your questions about baptism and confirmation and that the Catholic Church is all about living in Christ not about rules and regs. So, I will address your happiness in the Baptist church. What you have had is an awakening to faith, not a conversion experience. You were not a helpless sinner doomed to hell before you encountered your first Baptist. You were a baptized and confirmed Catholic who little understood the teachings of your own Church.

Something inside you got all excited when you heard (as you thought for the first time) that Jesus loves you and died to save you. Well, that is the core of Catholic teaching. You didn’t need to leave the Church to discover that, you know. You only needed to pay attention at Mass and put a bit of effort into understanding what was being said.

As for reading the Bible, in the Church we read through the most salient parts of it in a 3 year cycle in the daily Mass readings–skipping no verse that we simply don’t care to deal with, as your Baptist friends do. How many times have you heard them quote from Mary’s declaration of faith found in Luke 1:46-55? Or talk about the need for faith AND works expounded by James in his epistle.

You need to reevaluate what you think you’ve gained at the expense of what you have lost by leaving the Church founded by Christ himself. You really do. Especially concerning the Holy Eucharist, which they not only don’t have but deny in the very teeth of Our Lord’s own words on the subject.

I will pray for your return to the Church in which subsists the fullness of truth.
 
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Della:
Welcome to the board, grwnginChrist. 🙂 What you have had is an awakening to faith, not a conversion experience.
grwnginChrist, please pray about this statement. It is profound. You’ve been fed for many years by the Word of God and the Body and Blood of our Lord at Mass. Our faith is awakened in many different ways - a sermon we hear, a song, reading God’s word, etc - but that doesn’t mean the event, song, or minister that awakens us carries the fullness of God’s truth. Please use your wonderful relationship with our Lord to read - with a new, faith-filled heart - the teachings of the Church and their biblical basis, and pray to be open to the truth. **I know you have found a lot; but you don’t have to give up what you had in order to keep what you’ve found. **Yes, you can have it all. There is just no replacement for the Mass or the Eucharist. It’s heaven on earth. God bless you.
 
grwingChrist:

It is truly good that you have now a relationship with Christ. Everyone of us need Him. But before you completely jump ship, I think you should take the time to study what you’re leaving behind. Too many catholics are not informed. I was one even though I went to catholic schools until highschool. Thank God that in college I studied my faith partly due to the fundamentalists claiming I’m not christian! I never realized that I was already sitting in the Kingdom of God.

Start with the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Read the early church fathers—many are available in this site. Then History–find out what happened from the beginning.

in XT.
 
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