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dzheremi said:
Yeah, fine, whatever you’d like…it’s just weird is all.
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I should have written it this way. I do not recall any “leaps of faith”. I found it to be a natural progression.

When a statement in question is put in parantheses it means that I do not recall what it is you are talking about. I should have done this. The statement that follows is an explanation as to what I experience.

You state something called a “leap of faith”. I am not obligated to define it as it was not my proposition. I reflected and recalled that my experience was a natural progression.

I went to the lake often. I saw people swimming. I entered the water, I floated, I learned to move my legs and arms. I slowly learned to swim as I was taught. If someone says that for me to learn to swim was a leap of faith. I would say for me it was not a “leap of faith” it was a natural progression.

I am odd and I am wierd. That may help.
 
CopticChristian said:
I do not know what you are talking about. I recollect in my learning about the truths of Faith is wasn’t done the way Protestants do it…

My recollection of my learning was to learn about God as a child trusting my parents guidance using many sources including the Church, School, Catechisms, having the Bible read to me each Sunday over the years so that I had hear the Bible read to me in its entirety in a sequence that included Old Testament, Psalms, Epistles Gospels in that order. It was a logical sequence Old to New, Revalation showing how the New was revealed in the Old. I never got piecemeal verses strung together, memorized, was never taught to do mental gymnastics with bible verses to prove a point or was ever taught about what anyone else believed.

I do not recall any leaps of Faith. It was a natural progression that felt as comfortable as learning how to walk. Unfortunately you speak of what you do not know. This is what I routinely find in Protestants looking from the outside in and those that have been on the inside and never learned.
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Hmmm. I know that sounds somewhat familiar except my parent also allowed me to become familiar with others and in what they believed too. Rather than simply only the set of faith beliefs I was taught about through my religious education and what I heard in church, for instance. And I thank my dear mother, God bless her soul, for that. But unlike you I suppose I had to at least take a leap of faith to believe what they were telling me about the existence of God, the NT, Jesus, and so forth.
 
CopticChristian - #115
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Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. Sorry. What I was suggesting is that Catholics who become Protestants go in two rather contradictory directions.

1. Toward fundamentalist Protestantism, similar in some sense to Catholicism in that both teach that they alone have the truth and one had better believe it! No grays when it comes to matters of doctrine. Here is the infallible teaching, so get on board, else who are not 'fully' a Christian.

 2. Toward mainline Protestantism, which allows for different opinions, which is not rigid when it comes to Biblical interpretation, and which does not necessarily accept II Kings 2:21-25, for example, nor some of the cruel, merciless genocide allegedly 'ordered by God' in the Old Testament. 

 Catholics need to get into their head the fact that vast numbers of Protestants are people who devoutly believe in and worship God but don't worship the Bible. The Bible contains much truth and inspiration, but other parts need not be regarded as the Word of God.  Paul, for example, said that women should keep their heads covered and be silent in churches, but who pays attention to that these days? When I attend mass women no longer wear hats and women read the scriptures from the altar. I endorse this (and ordination of women, too, by the way), but it runs contrary to Paul.

 We could go on and on, but let me stop here. The real attraction of mainline Protestantism to me personally is that it respects the freedom of the individual to investigate, examine, weigh and even doubt without dismissing that person as some sort of heretic, rebel, or egotist. 

 God bless everybody. Thanks be to God that we live in a country where we can select the religious faith of ourn choice. For those who want a version of Christianity that tells you what you must believe, both Catholicism and much of conservative Protestantism do just that.
 
CMatt25 said:
Hmmm. I know that sounds somewhat familiar except my parent also allowed me to become familiar with others and in what they believed too. Rather than simply only the set of faith beliefs I was taught about through my religious education and what I heard in church, for instance. And I thank my dear mother, God bless her soul, for that. But unlike you I suppose I had to at least take a leap of faith to believe what they were telling me about the existence of God, the NT, Jesus, and so forth.
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This “leap of faith” certainly has achieved attention. I learned all I was taught in the home, school, Church, I grew up thinking my neighborhood and world was Catholic/Christian. I have no idea what your experience was. Catholicity was an ethnic/cultural experience as well for me. While there were many ethnicities we were united by the Catholic Church in our neighborhood. Our neighborhood had small stores run by families that went to Church with us. We had no McDonalds, Burger King, and all the other conglomerates. This was a family neighborhood where almost everyone was Catholic. There was one Catholic Church. There was a 4 square church the size of a house. I believe that there was one Presbyterian church the size of a house and that was it. I never encountered Protestants until I graduated from High School in College.🙂

I grew up in a multiethnic neighborhood and thought that everyone got along with everyone. Later in life I learned that many grew up to prejudice and hate. Now I understand more than when I was growing up.🙂

It may take a leap of faith for you to believe this.👍
 
CopticChristian said:
If you truly believe in your saying, walking together to glorify his name, then we walk together with the Eucharist. This is how the Orthodox and Rome will walk together to glorify his name.👍

You may have to start by crawling with humility, learning to take a few steps, and then walk with us.👍
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Thanks but I think I will walk with Christ, united together with all who believe in HIm, including Orthodox and Rome, Anglicans, Protestants, and all who strive to follow His teachings of love and peace and such righteousness as He taught in Matt 25:35-46 for instance. In faith I pray toward a path to the eternal life He promised us for doing so.

God bless you! And peace.
 
Roy5 said:
CopticChristian - #115
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Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. Sorry. What I was suggesting is that Catholics who become Protestants go in two rather contradictory directions.

1. Toward fundamentalist Protestantism, similar in some sense to Catholicism in that both teach that they alone have the truth and one had better believe it! No grays when it comes to matters of doctrine. Here is the infallible teaching, so get on board, else who are not 'fully' a Christian.

 2. Toward mainline Protestantism, which allows for different opinions, which is not rigid when it comes to Biblical interpretation, and which does not necessarily accept II Kings 2:21-25, for example, nor some of the cruel, merciless genocide allegedly 'ordered by God' in the Old Testament. 

 Catholics need to get into their head the fact that vast numbers of Protestants are people who devoutly believe in and worship God but don't worship the Bible. The Bible contains much truth and inspiration, but other parts need not be regarded as the Word of God.  Paul, for example, said that women should keep their heads covered and be silent in churches, but who pays attention to that these days? When I attend mass women no longer wear hats and women read the scriptures from the altar. I endorse this (and ordination of women, too, by the way), but it runs contrary to Paul.

 We could go on and on, but let me stop here. The real attraction of mainline Protestantism to me personally is that it respects the freedom of the individual to investigate, examine, weigh and even doubt without dismissing that person as some sort of heretic, rebel, or egotist. 

 God bless everybody. Thanks be to God that we live in a country where we can select the religious faith of ourn choice. For those who want a version of Christianity that tells you what you must believe, both Catholicism and much of conservative Protestantism do just that.
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So what you are saying is that Catholics leave the Church because they want unyielding truth that is rigid and inflexible. Sounds like they did not understand that the Catholic Church is not flexible.

The other reason is because they want to be able to serve their reason and not God. That is a good reason to leave.

Why do I need to get something in my head? You are stating an opinion.
The Bible contains much truth and inspiration, but **other parts need not be **regarded as the Word of God.
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:eek:

I am not so sure that you will get any Catholics on this site to wrap their heads around this.:confused:

I have been to Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, Fundamentalist, Charismatic, and too many Protestant services. I found them dull. The teaching did not reach the level of what I had learned as a Catholic. I found them repetitive, every time the word Faith is mentioned, Sola Fide is subtely taught. Every time the word “word” is used it is used to subtley teach “all you need is a bible”. I found the people to be nice but trying to look like they were happy as can be.

I routinely heard subtle sarcastic allusions to the Catholic Church. I found the entire process depressing and repulsive. I could not wait to get to mass. The people here had the usual joys, sorrows, and common interest of worship…👍
 
CMatt25 said:
Thanks but I think I will walk with Christ, united together with all who believe in HIm, including Orthodox and Rome, Anglicans, Protestants, and all who strive to follow His teachings of love and peace and such righteousness as He taught in Matt 25:35-46 for instance. In faith I pray toward a path to the eternal life He promised us for doing so.

God bless you! And peace.
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The Eucharist is Christ. We walk with Christ.👍
 
Roy5 said:
CopticChristian - #115
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Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. Sorry. What I was suggesting is that Catholics who become Protestants go in two rather contradictory directions.

1. Toward fundamentalist Protestantism, similar in some sense to Catholicism in that both teach that they alone have the truth and one had better believe it! No grays when it comes to matters of doctrine. Here is the infallible teaching, so get on board, else who are not 'fully' a Christian.

 2. Toward mainline Protestantism, which allows for different opinions, which is not rigid when it comes to Biblical interpretation, and which does not necessarily accept II Kings 2:21-25, for example, nor some of the cruel, merciless genocide allegedly 'ordered by God' in the Old Testament. 

 Catholics need to get into their head the fact that vast numbers of Protestants are people who devoutly believe in and worship God but don't worship the Bible. The Bible contains much truth and inspiration, but other parts need not be regarded as the Word of God.  Paul, for example, said that women should keep their heads covered and be silent in churches, but who pays attention to that these days? When I attend mass women no longer wear hats and women read the scriptures from the altar. I endorse this (and ordination of women, too, by the way), but it runs contrary to Paul.

 We could go on and on, but let me stop here. The real attraction of mainline Protestantism to me personally is that it respects the freedom of the individual to investigate, examine, weigh and even doubt without dismissing that person as some sort of heretic, rebel, or egotist. 

 God bless everybody. Thanks be to God that we live in a country where we can select the religious faith of ourn choice. For those who want a version of Christianity that tells you what you must believe, both Catholicism and much of conservative Protestantism do just that.
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Roy, I thought you were clear the first time too. 🙂 And indeed thanks be to God. Amen.
 
CMatt25 said:
Roy, I thought you were clear the first time too. 🙂 And indeed thanks be to God. Amen.
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Are you and Roy always this critical and uncharitable to senior citizens that do not grasp the clarity you see?:eek:

My mind is old and requires clarity. Do you treat your grandparents with such disdain?:eek:
 
CMatt25 said:
Yes that is what you believe by placing faith in what you were taught about the Eucharist. Which is why I included you in the walk. 👍
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Inverted the same could be applied to you. How do you know you are not in denial, thus incapible of walking in Blind Faith to start with?

Peace
 
CopticChristian said:
Are you and Roy always this critical and uncharitable to senior citizens that do not grasp the clarity you see?:eek:

My mind is old and requires clarity. Do you treat your grandparents with such disdain?:eek:
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No and I wasn’t being uncharitable to you. And I certainly don’t see where Roy was. But I apologize if you thought I was being so. I said he was clear to me the first time. And I hope Roy’s 2nd clarification helped you to understand better what he was saying too.

I could ask are you always this judging of who walks with Christ? But “tone” on such a forum is very subjective to determine. I was once told I want to spit on Catholics and nothing could be further from the truth.

And no my grandparents nor my parents are living. But I never treated them as such either.

God bless you and peace be with you always.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Inverted the same could be applied to you. How do you know you are not in denial, thus incapible of walking in Blind Faith to start with?

Peace
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Gary, I believe if we are truly honest with ourselves, none of us truly “know” in the strictest sense of the word. That is why all of this is called faith. If all of these matters and answers to them were so clear and absolutely certain, then for instance all His children besides just us Christians would believe in the NT for example. If all of these Catholic answers were also so certain to everyone, everyone would be faithful, practicing Catholics here on earth.

But we can only walk by faith on this planet earth. Not by sight. What I am certain of though is you, like I, in faith, await His 2nd Coming. Await for Him who called Himself the Truth.

God bless you in that walk and peace be with you always.
 
CMatt25 said:
Gary, I believe if we are truly honest with ourselves, none of us truly “know” in the strictest sense of the word. That is why all of this is called faith. If all of these matters were so clear and absolutely certain, then for instance all His children besides just us Christians would believe in the NT for example. We walk by faith. Not by sight. But what I am certain of is you, like I, in faith, await His 2nd Coming. God bless you in that walk and peace be with you.
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Peace be with you also, its a indication of just how much work awaits Christianity, never mind mankind. To always view the objective is easier said than done. I’m postive that is why philosophy is required before theology in seminary school. 👍

Peace
 
CMatt25 said:
No and I wasn’t being uncharitable to you. And I certainly don’t see where Roy was. But I apologize if you thought I was being so. I said he was clear to me the first time. And I hope Roy’s 2nd clarification helped you to understand better what he was saying too.

I could ask are you always this judging of who walks with Christ? But “tone” on such a forum is very subjective to determine. I was once told I want to spit on Catholics and nothing could be further from the truth.

And no my grandparents nor my parents are living. But I never treated them as such either.

God bless you and peace be with you always.
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Christ was spat on.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Peace be with you also, its a indication of just how much work awaits Christianity, never mind mankind. To always view the objective is easier said than done. I’m postive that is why philosophy is required before theology in seminary school. 👍

Peace
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I did not know that. How is it you know that about Philosophy and seminary school?
 
CMatt25 said:
Yes but not by me. 🤷
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I gotta tell you, I could have answered this with a smart remark and carried this on ad infinitum and to be honest when I was younger I probably would have. For what purpose, I ask?

I just realized that I spend way to much time on this site and in particular the Non-Catholic site. I believe I will acknowledge your restraint and say nothing.
 
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