Catholic Traditon vs Science - are we looking deep enough

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Hi, buffalo!

…here’s a thought…

Do you consider humans to be intellectually superior today than say humans from 1000 years or so ago?

…yet both had answers for what illed them… the difference is knowledge…

We now have, through the wonders of science, time-delaid medicines that, once consumed or implanted, their built-in mechanism releases the exact dosage prescribed for the set time period…

Could Yahweh God not Create a built-in system for the human genome?

Maran atha!

Angel
From what the Bible tells us man was intellectually as capable as today’s man. Catholic Dogma actually states that they had preternatural gifts that we do not.

If Adam and Eve were supernaturally created with these gifts and bodily immortality it seems that they were actually superior to us and a kind of devolution has been taking place over time.
 
Hi!

…could you explain how you came to the conclusion that the Holy Spirit welcomes your female personification?

…is your screen name based on wicca?

Maran atha!

Angel
Since the Godhead is ungendered pure Spirit,it is neither male nor female. It is both and neither. I have no idea how the Spirit receives my particular appelation. I imagine with a smile, since it but touches the surface of the Spirit’s reality. How do you feel She likes your reference as male? Please don’t bother with the biblical references which were all written by men.

No I have no affiliation with wicca, and frankly know next to nothing about such beliefs or practices. Can you enlighten me?
 
From what the Bible tells us man was intellectually as capable as today’s man. Catholic Dogma actually states that they had preternatural gifts that we do not.

If Adam and Eve were supernaturally created with these gifts and bodily immortality it seems that they were actually superior to us and a kind of devolution has been taking place over time.
Hi, buffalo!

…my inference is “knowledge” not the capacity of man… even in today’s technologically advanced world there are still human beings that are amazed at the wonders of television/computers/cell phones/ipods… they are simply at a different page; unaware of the very tech that we take for granted.

200 years ago there were no time-delay mechanism for dispensing medication… our knowledge is minor compare to God’s so it could very well be that everything in the human genome was created in Adam and Eve with a time-delay system that would allow for the divergence of the species…

Would that be devolution?

Not if it is already part of the Divine Plan.

But we do know that devolution did happen! We were Created without sin; yet, Adam and Eve devolved from spiritually pure beings to sin-state beings.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Since the Godhead is ungendered pure Spirit,it is neither male nor female. It is both and neither. I have no idea how the Spirit receives my particular appelation. I imagine with a smile, since it but touches the surface of the Spirit’s reality. How do you feel She likes your reference as male? Please don’t bother with the biblical references which were all written by men.

No I have no affiliation with wicca, and frankly know next to nothing about such beliefs or practices. Can you enlighten me?
Hi!

I am afraid I cannot!

So I must simply allow you to exist in your realm!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
There was recently a program (a series) by a scientific priest on EWTN. Some of you may know of whom I am talking. He talked about some of the most conclusive scientific proofs for God which relates to the Universal constants. These are known scientific constants which are numbers. E.g. the speed of light, the temperature water freezes, and other physical constants throughout the universe. These numbers are extremely precise, and according to those scientists that study such things, if those numbers weren’t exactly the ones they are, there could never have been a universe as we know it, able to support life, and even able to support its own existence.

How those constants came to be is an unknown, as it is strictly an overlying law, which apparently precedes the creation of the universe.

Some scientist did a statistical study on these constants, and found that if any one of the constants had varied by an almost immeasurably small amount, nothing could exist as the universe does now. Then they did a study on the odds that these constants just happened by random accident. He found that the odds that this could happen by accident is so infinitely improbable, as to completely rule it out scientifically.

Albert Einstein was very familiar with this anomaly with the universal constants. He himself considered this a divine clue.
Thanks – that was interesting.
 
What is the problem? The “physical evidence” does support geocentrism, a young earth and a global flood. Galileo was wrong. Ask any honest scientist is it actually proven that the earth moves and the sun does not. He’ll say no, but it “makes more sense”. NASA ofcourse assumes the earth is stationary when calculating targeting solutions or launching anything. They say it makes the math easier. The fact is it works. Put a bunch of minerals in a jar, fill it with water, shake it, and let it settle out: you’ll find you have your “geologic column”. We;ve been feed a bunch of nonsense by “science” for centuries. Why do we choose to beleive it and NOT the Church?
 
What is the problem? The “physical evidence” does support geocentrism, a young earth and a global flood. Galileo was wrong. Ask any honest scientist is it actually proven that the earth moves and the sun does not. He’ll say no, but it “makes more sense”. NASA ofcourse assumes the earth is stationary when calculating targeting solutions or launching anything. They say it makes the math easier. The fact is it works. Put a bunch of minerals in a jar, fill it with water, shake it, and let it settle out: you’ll find you have your “geologic column”. We;ve been feed a bunch of nonsense by “science” for centuries. Why do we choose to beleive it and NOT the Church?
Hi, mulligan!

(Excellent name!)

Removing Yahweh God from the equation guarantees man is the only authority; noticed how great our freedom has been in the last few decades (US and the world at large)?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Since the Godhead is ungendered pure Spirit,it is neither male nor female. It is both and neither. I have no idea how the Spirit receives my particular appelation. ?
SpiritMeadow, I agree with you that God is quite beyond gender, and that is why I have a slight problem with the popular ascription of femininity to the Holy Spirit. This seems too much an afterthought, trying to balance a trinity already top-heavy with masculinity in the person of the Father and the Son.

Petrus
 
Originally Posted by jcrichton
Hi!
Hi!

…let’s see if I can explain it better…

…you come to a game (say Uno) and you decide: “let’s throw all the rules away; from now on we play by my rules…”

I consider that to be a secondary world; hence realm.

In that realm the fact that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father (Male) and from the Son (Male) equals anything goes–so if say “you” decide that God is both male and female it is just OK.

…now Don Quixote, as I recall, was not interested in creating new realms… he simply wanted to defend the needy; true his quest was in a state of confusion, but he was not intent on destroying the world around him to make it into his dream-land…

Recap: your argument is: I say God is who I say; never mind what He says about Himself in the Bible–that’s an antiquated book written by antifeminists (men).

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hasn’t anyone heard of the theory that Neanderthal man was the end of the evolutionary chain. Cro-Magnon man appeared along side Neanderthal man. Cro-Magnon man is us. I watched this documentary on the History Channel or National Geographic a year or so ago. The first Cro-Magnon man could very easily been Adam from the Bible. Science and Theology would work well together with this theory.
What is wrong with you guys? There is NOTHING scientific about the “theory” of evolution. There are no transistions, no “missing links”, your cave-men or ape-men are just imaginary constructs. There are no bones. Just drawings spun from fancy. It absolutely boggles the mind to see how completely and thoroughly this hoax has penetrated our understanding (or lack of to be more apt). Evolution has not been observed, it cannot be predicted or repeated. Many proven scinetific principles (entropy for example) refute it. It is utterly ridiculous. Look, the earth is no more than 6,000 years old and Adam and Eve were created in far superior form than we. The Bible is simply TRUE. Means what it says, sort of like the US Constitution was supposed to do.
 
Since the Godhead is ungendered pure Spirit,it is neither male nor female. It is both and neither. I have no idea how the Spirit receives my particular appelation. I imagine with a smile, since it but touches the surface of the Spirit’s reality. How do you feel She likes your reference as male? Please don’t bother with the biblical references which were all written by men.

No I have no affiliation with wicca, and frankly know next to nothing about such beliefs or practices. Can you enlighten me?
In the New Testament, Jesus gives us the prayer, “Our Father”. This why we refer to the Lord as Father. Saint Thomas Aquinas teaches us that the Holy Spirit is God’s ‘Love’ and His Son, Jesus is ‘The Word’. God is compatable with all things in the universe. He is the Uncaused Caused that began everything. And if this reference of referring to God as Him still bothers you, just remember that in literature the term ‘he’ or ‘him’ encompasses both she and he.
 
Since the Godhead is ungendered pure Spirit,it is neither male nor female. It is both and neither. I have no idea how the Spirit receives my particular appelation. I imagine with a smile, since it but touches the surface of the Spirit’s reality. How do you feel She likes your reference as male? Please don’t bother with the biblical references which were all written by men.

No I have no affiliation with wicca, and frankly know next to nothing about such beliefs or practices. Can you enlighten me?
Wow. Are you for real? The Bible is a problem because men wrote it? So you aren’t a Catholic (but you need to be). Why play around here?
 
What is wrong with you guys? There is NOTHING scientific about the “theory” of evolution. There are no transistions, no “missing links”, your cave-men or ape-men are just imaginary constructs. There are no bones. Just drawings spun from fancy. It absolutely boggles the mind to see how completely and thoroughly this hoax has penetrated our understanding (or lack of to be more apt). Evolution has not been observed, it cannot be predicted or repeated. Many proven scinetific principles (entropy for example) refute it. It is utterly ridiculous. Look, the earth is no more than 6,000 years old and Adam and Eve were created in far superior form than we. The Bible is simply TRUE. Means what it says, sort of like the US Constitution was supposed to do.
I agree with you that evolution is only a theory. What references are you using that states the Earth is 6000 years old? If that is the case, what is your opinion on the age of the universe? The Bible is not all narrative. There are other forms of literature used.
 
… some of the most conclusive scientific proofs for God which relates to the Universal constants. These are known scientific constants which are numbers. E.g. the speed of light, the temperature water freezes, and other physical constants throughout the universe. These numbers are extremely precise, and according to those scientists that study such things, if those numbers weren’t exactly the ones they are, there could never have been a universe as we know it, able to support life, and even able to support its own existence.

How those constants came to be is an unknown, as it is strictly an overlying law, which apparently precedes the creation of the universe.

Some scientist did a statistical study on these constants, and found that if any one of the constants had varied by an almost immeasurably small amount, nothing could exist as the universe does now. Then they did a study on the odds that these constants just happened by random accident. He found that the odds that this could happen by accident is so infinitely improbable, as to completely rule it out scientifically.

Albert Einstein was very familiar with this anomaly with the universal constants. He himself considered this a divine clue.
This is really very similar to what is called Intelligent Design. Through observations, one can see some remarkable features in nature. Statistics can show that certain events are extremely improbable also. The idea that these constants or the order in nature could have “happened by accident” should be ruled out.

This does not stop the people who are convinced by Darwinian theory though, unfortunately.
 
I agree with you that evolution is only a theory. What references are you using that states the Earth is 6000 years old? If that is the case, what is your opinion on the age of the universe? The Bible is not all narrative. There are other forms of literature used.
I think that a rough Biblically derived time line comes to about 6,000 years. Maybe it is 8,000 or maybe it is 5,000. But it isn;t billions! The universe is probably no older. I don’t know that it matters. Evolution is not a theory any longer, it is a hoax. Enough is known or knowable that honest scientist have to conclude it isn’t true. It is impossible. The Devil is (as characterized by Christ) the “father of lies”. And we also know that pride makes us to believe lying. I was stunned to have learned over the last few years just how little, virutally nothing, is behind these evolutionary fairy tales that are continually trotted out as fact. Much of it remains in textbooks (like the English moths) long after they were totally debunked as deliberate hoaxes. But the fact is that in nature, nothing left to itself ever becomes more complex. Rather everything left to itself degenerates, breaks down, “devolves”. This is true in chemistry and in genetics. Think “rust”. They’ll tell you that your DNA is 99% identical to a chimpanzees. What they don’t tell you is that it is also 78% identical to a dandelions. Think common designer, not common ancestor.
 
I’ve studied chemistry and your point I think is correct, and I did see a few documentaries about our DNA compared to other species and plant life on earth too. When you look at all the data, most reasonable people can come to the conclusion that there must be a Creator, and that Creator is compatible with all in the universe. The Big Bang theory was put forth by a Catholic Priest, but his name escapes me. I find his theory and the theory of Einstein’s cosmological constant point directly toward a Creator. 👍
 
But the fact is that in nature, nothing left to itself ever becomes more complex. Rather everything left to itself degenerates, breaks down, “devolves”. This is true in chemistry and in genetics. Think “rust”. They’ll tell you that your DNA is 99% identical to a chimpanzees. What they don’t tell you is that it is also 78% identical to a dandelions.
Hi, mulligan!

Excellent argument! 👍
Think common designer, not common ancestor.
This is just explosive! :extrahappy:

Maran atha!

Angel
 
I agree with you that evolution is only a theory. What references are you using that states the Earth is 6000 years old? If that is the case, what is your opinion on the age of the universe? The Bible is not all narrative. There are other forms of literature used.
Gravity is only a theory. Plate tectonics is only a theory. Relativity is only a theory.
 
I think that a rough Biblically derived time line comes to about 6,000 years. Maybe it is 8,000 or maybe it is 5,000. But it isn;t billions! The universe is probably no older. I don’t know that it matters. Evolution is not a theory any longer, it is a hoax.
If evolution is only a hoax, why do 100,000 biologists use it productively every day to advance science? Meanwhile Young Earth Creationists with missing teeth and only high school educations (if that) sit around their trailers complaining that evolution is a hoax, and doing nothing for humanity.
 
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