Catholic view of Lutheranism

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JonNC said:
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GKMotley:
Never tried that one.
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“multitudinous?”
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Motleytudinous?
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Well, my Crüe sure is Mötley.
 
And this is why they don’t let us have nice things in CAF…🙂
 
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From Conflict to Communion was prepared by the Lutheran World Federation and the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity in 2017. It covers a broader range of topics and how both Lutherans and Catholics approach them.

LWF includes most of the world’s Lutheran churches, though a significant few groups do not belong, particularly the Missouri Synod in he US. The theology may seem more ELCA than LCMS accordingly. You might be interested in how it presents Lutherans as well as how it presents Catholics.
 
Motley, probably. Regards, from a Lutheran Church- Missouri Synod Lutheran.
 
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Dovekin said:
From Conflict to Communion was prepared by the Lutheran World Federation and the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity in 2017. It covers a broader range of topics and how both Lutherans and Catholics approach them.

LWF includes most of the world’s Lutheran churches, though a significant few groups do not belong, particularly the Missouri Synod in he US. The theology may seem more ELCA than LCMS accordingly. You might be interested in how it presents Lutherans as well as how it presents Catholics.
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It’s definitely interesting and important. Not to undermine its work, but just to be clear, this isn’t an official Vatican pronouncement or something that’s been ratified by the Vatican. I can’t think of the term right now, but it’s more like two governmental project committees got together to resolve some differences and came up with a document, but the governments haven’t ratified anything.

Still important progress though.
 
It’s like a Memorandum of Understanding. Not necessarily between the churches, but between the respective ecumenists of the two churches. The leaders found nothing objectionable, which is not the same as full agreement.
 
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You’re absolutely right. In fact, I’ve the Rosary beads to prove it ( I wanted to do the Sorrowful Mysteries at least once this Lent). Never heard of motley, @GKMotley? It’s a very handy word.
 
Wesrock said:
it’s more like two governmental project committees got together to resolve some differences and came up with a document, but the governments haven’t ratified anything.
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I posted the reference to From Conflict to Communion because OP found the joint agreement on Justification interesting. Both were produced by the Lutheran-Roman Catholic Commission on Unity, the official dialogue group. But FCtC, while it was issued as a “Report of the Lutheran-Roman Catholic Commission on Unity” lists the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity as one of the authors, LWF being the other. “The Vatican” and “Lutheran Churches” are responsible for it.

The format here is more ‘Luther taught, Catholic concerns, and dialogue group’s reflections’ on topics like Justification, Eucharist, ministry, etc. Informative, perhaps a step toward reconciling, but not a final resolution in anybody’s thinking.
 
My personal view is that Lutherans are typically good, God-fearing Christians. But just as they believe about us Catholics, their theology is incorrect in certain areas.

They saw abuses taking place and took it upon themselves to ‘save’ Christianity.

They have obviously been infected with liberalism – but so has the Vatican, apparently.

The one saving grace i feel we have in the Catholic Church is in Matthew 16. The Church wont fail because God won’t let it happen. Doctrinally, things will always be sound and never change and conform to the world – no matter how liberal the tide is amongst the college of Bishops.
 
Despite perceived hostilities, the body that the LCMS is a part of has been in talks with the Vatican.
On September 17-22, 2018 the Informal Dialogue Group between the International Lutheran Council (ILC) and the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity (PCPCU) will meet again.
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The dialogue group will prepare a final report that is meant to be adopted in the course of next year. Then it will be submitted to the President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, Cardinal Koch, and to the Executive Committee of the International Lutheran Council.
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I wonder if there are talks with the association WELS is a member of.
 
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