I think that`s a very noble way on his behalf,lots could not do that, because in there hearts they carry evil,like its there allowed weapon, for after they go to confession and receive forgiveness and feel redeemed.
How does this fit into your own perspective GCDouglas?
How do you see this in the context of the comments of the last two Popes regarding war?
Though I am not a proponent of the death penalty, I can assure you, the death penalty is not unjust in itself. Know your faith. The Church does not now, nor has it ever, taught that the death penaty is wrong in all cases.
The last two popes have not declared war (no pun intended) to be wrong at all times. Quote to the contrary, actually as the just war doctrine is in the Catechism, published under JP2 and with a major role in its compilation by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. Recent wars they have indicated were unjust (though not as an exercise of the ordinary or extraordinary magisterium, but as opinions), but it does not follow then that all wars are unjust.
As well it should, but as long as there are states that would act as aggressors on other states and engage in atrocities, then war is an option that at times is justifiable and is not immoral.
As I understand the catechism, it leaves the death penalty as an option of last resort, similarly war is only a viable option in very narrowly defined circumstances, wouldn’t you agree?
Yes I agree. But that is not what you were presenting. You were putting forth the idea that all war is intrinsically evil, and the same with the death penalty. This would put both in the same category as abortion, which is not the case. In fact a Catholic can be a very strong supporter of the death penalty, and still be a faithful Catholic.
Was I? I thought I was asking a question, because I recognised someone with a slightly different perspective on the issue and I wanted to understand their reasoning a little better.
sorry, but it seems that you have still held your Baptist position regarding this issueIf you really believe what your saying…Then how bout you put your money where your mouth is. Why dont you open up a halfway house for rapist, and child molesters, and welcome them into your home? How bout Ted Bundy? Hes dead now. But even he stated, that society needed to be protected from people like him. He agreed his punishment was just. He knew he would kill again if ever released. No the death penalty is not unjust. We have in our possession now days. DNA, and we are better equipped to know if we have the right criminal or not. I dont undersand, why people like your self, side on the part of the perpetrator. That is not justice. that is sick.Last I checked, my bible said that God gives the secular Judges the sword for a reason. There is a big difference in what Jesus said about turning the other cheek, and tolerating rapist, murderers and child molesters. I think you should rethink your position.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Genesis 9:6 means: not to inflict violence against charity to another human being…no where does it state that it means murder. Violence inflicted upon charity was referred to as “blood”.
I bolded the parts above that I would like to focus on. You mentioned Government twice in the above paragraph. It’s a shame that we have to listen to the government almost as if we are slaves to what they say and do. Perhaps your interested, but I choose to follow Christ as my lord and Saviour…the government doesn’t bind what I say and do.
thanks for the swipe…ouch
…I actually do know my faith, perhaps too much God Bless!that’s what we call a contradiction…perhaps we could sub out death penalty and fill in abortion
That’s really the point I was making. It doesn’t strike me as a valid reason to kill anyone.
Genesis 9:6 clearly references the death penalty, don’t believe me then look at the Catechisms usage of the verse. It’s punishment for murder pure and simple.
That’s in reference to judgement and eagerness.
You also have to contend with nearly 1,800 years or so with the content of the Church in using Capital Punishment. The Church saw it as okay, unless it erred then we have a problem with the Church.
Erroneous statement. Death penalty is the punishment of the guilty for the crime afflicted, ie murder. Abortion is ‘murder’ as it is killing without a cause, i.e a punishment for morality. The murderer is guilty for his crime and in light of Genesis 9:6 is to undergo punishment, the child is innocent.
It is not a contradiction. That is not my original thought. DO you know who said it? It is in a document written by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, when he was Cardinal Prefect of the CDF. I think I will take his word, no offense. Read the Catechism. Abortion is intrinsically evil. Capital punishment is allowed in certain circumstances. And this is coming from someone who is generally opposed to the application of the death penalty.
First College_Girl, I would like to congratulate you about your commitment to Chastity. I’m a recent college grad and I know how hard it is especially in the world we live in today to say yes to God in that way. Even for me being a Male it’s even harder to say yes to God, I’m always trying to get better. But when I see people my age trying to remain chaste, and especially if they are woman, I feel less isolated and my admiration for those that try grows. I hope I don’t seem to bold but I’d like to hear your story some time. Well any way back on topic. I think that someone who wouldn’t stand up and defend his wife who was getting raped is doing just what Adam did with Eve. Adam was suppose to do what a real man should and he just stood there and went with his wife. Not that a man should not take council from his wife but you get what I mean.