Catholic vs. Christian

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Journey322 said:
Well, I’m sure it has to do with some misconceptions regarding Catholic beliefs. For instance, I was once taught that Catholics believe that Christ has yet to rise from the dead and that this is the reason for the Crucifix that is associated with the Catholic faith, as opposed to the cross that is associated with Protestant denominations. This is just one misconception that I have come across, but I’m sure you get the idea. Many assumptions are made on both sides (both Protestant and Catholic) that are often inaccurate. A lack of mutual understanding creates some unnecessary division between Catholics and Protestants.
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Lutherans use crucifixes in their homes ( I have one on our living room wall ) and in our churches, it grates the Evangelicals and Calvinist, they like to point to the empty cross which Lutheran like to call the theology of glory and Lutherans like to point to the crucifix or the Theology of the Cross.
 
hn160 said:
If you attended a Lutheran Service as you said that you did, you certainly would not find it depressing, boring, remedial, and often insulting. You were not looking or listening, if you were paying attention, you would have found it as reverent as the Mass and very similar and a Law and Gospel sermon pointing us to Christ and what He did for us on the cross as we are all sinners and to the Holy Sacrament of Communion for the forgiveness of sins , not a brief homily.
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I agree. I have never attended a Lutheran service but was a member of, and worked at, a Baptist church for several years. It was most definitely not remedial. Much of my knowledge of scripture and outreach methods came from that experience. From there I moved on to what many would consider a charismatic church because of the difference regarding their beliefs about the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer. The last thing I would call that church is boring or remedial. The teaching there was very grounded in the Word and the worship was authentic and heartfelt.
 
hn160 said:
If you attended a Lutheran Service as you said that you did, you certainly would not find it depressing, boring, remedial, and often insulting. You were not looking or listening, if you were paying attention, you would have found it as reverent as the Mass and very similar and a Law and Gospel sermon pointing us to Christ and what He did for us on the cross as we are all sinners and to the Holy Sacrament of Communion for the forgiveness of sins , not a brief homily.
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You do understand that there are many different Lutherans out there and that the services vary…I cannot say that I attended every Lutheran sect…I can say that when in consideration that my Faith since childhood, Catholic grade school, Catholic High School, having the Bible read to me at the mass in a 3 year cycle, having heard this explained many times through sermons, exposure to Augustine and Aquinas in High School …prior to attending many of these services this was my experience.

I forgot to add that much of the music I heard reminded me of going to Rock Concerts and I could never wrap my head around this…going to real Rock Concerts having seen the likes of Stevie Wonder, Cream, Bee Gees prior to Sat Night Fever era, Moody Blues, Santana, Creedence Clear Water, Deep Purple, Iron Butterfly, BB King, Ike and Tina Turner, Wings, Chuck Berry, Billie Preston, Linda Rondstat, Pat Benatar, and too many I cannot recall the rock of these churches left me unentertained and not wanting to waive my hands up in the air and jump up and down like everyone else. The preaching was never in depth and it was always long winded.

I am just old fashioned I guess. I may take you up on going to another Lutheran service…which sect do you suggest.

By jove there is a LC-MS body right up the street from me. I walk by it every now and again and they have service on Sunday morning at 9:30 am. If I am free some Sunday morning I may go by. My daughter actually attended their day care when she was young. I will let you know what I think. Their Pastor has some sermons online and I will listen and tell you what I think.
 
hn160 said:
Lutherans use crucifixes in their homes ( I have one on our living room wall ) and in our churches, it grates the Evangelicals and Calvinist, they like to point to the empty cross which Lutheran like to call the theology of glory and Lutherans like to point to the crucifix or the Theology of the Cross.
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I had no idea. Is this all Lutherans? I have never seen my Lutheran friends wear them.
 
juan_e_flores said:
acts 11:26 was the first time followers of jesus were called christians.In mexico if you call a roman catholic a christian they will get offended, hardcore catholics do not want to be included in the christian denomination.Roman catholics wanted to be separated from christian followers from the beginning read real catholic history they were loyal to the pope more than to the study of scripture.But not all catholics agreed thats how you got people like Martin luther to me one of the greatest catholics of all time.
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Oh geeze. Martin Luther you claim is one of the greatest catholic’s of all time, when he was thrown out of the Catholic Church and protested the Catholic Church, Go figure!!😉

To be CHRISTian is to be a follower of Christ. But you are saying if you call a Roman Catholic a Christian aka Christ follower they will be offended!:eek:

And we don’t read the bible:eek: And we are more loyal to the Pope then studying the word of GOD!:eek:

Boy hope I never go to Mexico then. Okay I will bite though, so if a Roman Catholic does not want to be called a Christian believer and follower of Christ what do they want to be called down there in Mexico:rotfl:
 
Journey322 said:
Well, I’m sure it has to do with some misconceptions regarding Catholic beliefs. For instance, I was once taught that Catholics believe that Christ has yet to rise from the dead and that this is the reason for the Crucifix that is associated with the Catholic faith, as opposed to the cross that is associated with Protestant denominations. This is just one misconception that I have come across, but I’m sure you get the idea. Many assumptions are made on both sides (both Protestant and Catholic) that are often inaccurate. A lack of mutual understanding creates some unnecessary division between Catholics and Protestants.
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:rotfl::rotfl: Just when you think you heard it all.😃 Now just a quick common sense question then. Why in the world would Catholic’s celebrate Easter Sunday then?:eek:
 
rinnie said:
:rotfl::rotfl: Just when you think you heard it all.😃 Now just a quick common sense question then. Why in the world would Catholic’s celebrate Easter Sunday then?:eek:
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I heard another new one recently, though maybe it’s not new to you. A non-catholic friend of my daughter’s told her that Catholics have a book in their Bible that talks about the life of Jesus as a child and the miracles He worked as a kid. When she told him it’s not in our Bible, he was pretty sure it was, not because he had seen it (obviously), but because several people had told him it was.
 
Incomplete said:
I heard another new one recently, though maybe it’s not new to you. A non-catholic friend of my daughter’s told her that Catholics have a book in their Bible that talks about the life of Jesus as a child and the miracles He worked as a kid. When she told him it’s not in our Bible, he was pretty sure it was, not because he had seen it (obviously), but because several people had told him it was.
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Brings to mind the old Archbishop Fulton Sheen saying that most people don’t hate what the Catholic Church teaches; they hate what they think the Catholic Church teaches.

The book they were talking about is likely the Infancy Gospel of Thomas. A relative of mine thought it was a book in the Bible, too.
 
My favorite misconception is, “why did you Catholics add books to the Bible?” :rotfl:

I think GraceSofia’s quote from Fulton Sheen is right on the money. If most protestants understood what the Church actually teaches and not what they think it does, they’d reconcile sooner than later.
 
Incomplete said:
I heard another new one recently, though maybe it’s not new to you. A non-catholic friend of my daughter’s told her that Catholics have a book in their Bible that talks about the life of Jesus as a child and the miracles He worked as a kid. When she told him it’s not in our Bible, he was pretty sure it was, not because he had seen it (obviously), but because several people had told him it was.
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Yeah, I heard an evangelist years ago say once “The Mass is all about Mary”!!
As long as there are gullible people who believe anything the “mannagod” says, they will stay in business.
 
Geaux_LSU said:
My favorite misconception is, “why did you Catholics add books to the Bible?” :rotfl:

I think GraceSofia’s quote from Fulton Sheen is right on the money. If most protestants understood what the Church actually teaches and not what they think it does, they’d reconcile sooner than later.
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This text is invaluable when discussing this topic with protestants, especially evangelicals and even more so the “onlyiests” who beleive that Martin Luther discovered the King James edition of the Bible that Christ him self handed to the Apostles to distribute all over ancient Palistine

Luthers Statements Concerning his Teaching and its results

The book has a hard Catholic bias, and looks for fault in Luther every where it can be found. So I do recommend some prudence reading it. But where it really has value, even today is in it’s accurate translations of portions of Luthers Bibles. Particularly eye opening are Luthers introductions to the Epistle of St. James as well as the introduction for :eek: Revelation (this one will really spin their heads, esp after coming to grips with what Luther said about St. James).
 
JustaServant said:
Yeah, I heard an evangelist years ago say once “The Mass is all about Mary”!!
As long as there are gullible people who believe anything the “mannagod” says, they will stay in business.
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That is silly. Even in the masses I’ve attended lately with the most Marian prayer, said prayer time amounts to two Aves which is what, maybe 1% of the total hour, at most? I for one won’t begrudge our Holy Mother of God 1%!
 
Faithdancer said:
That is silly. Even in the masses I’ve attended lately with the most Marian prayer, said prayer time amounts to two Aves which is what, maybe 1% of the total hour, at most? I for one won’t begrudge our Holy Mother of God 1%!
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In fact one of the things that bugs me is the ABSENCE of Marian prayers or hymns that I grew up with in the modern Mass. Been a long time since I heard Immaculate Mary.
I don’t consider “Mary did you know?” a Marian hymn.
I guess I’m a dinosaur.:cool:
 
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lizaanne said:
Catholics are THE ONLY and ORIGINAL Christians. Everything else is a watered down version, lacking the fullness of Truth, and some aren’t even Christian at all (Triune God) , as in the case of the Mormons or JW.

And that little fish (ichthus)? That’s ours too darn it!!! We used it first, it’s ours, and it is NOT a Protestant symbol!!!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys

The reason it’s all become wishy washy and murky in the minds of so many, is because Catholics have allowed the co-opting of Catholic identity and said nothing about it. Because it’s not “charitable” or “nice” to tell someone they aren’t what they think they are.

:rolleyes:

~Liza
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juan_e_flores said:
**acts 11:26 was the first time followers of jesus were called christians.**In **mexico **if you call a roman catholic a christian they will get offended, hardcore catholics do not want to be included in the christian denomination.Roman catholics wanted to be separated from christian followers from the beginning read real catholic history they were loyal to the pope more than to the study of scripture.But not all catholics agreed thats how you got people like Martin luther to me one of the greatest catholics of all time.
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Juan e flores,

Outline for me the history of Christianity in Mexico…I have travelled throughout Mexico, Central America and South America. In Mexico I have been to Tijuana, Mexicali, Guaymas, Hermosillo, Guadalaraja, Mexico City, Oaxaca, Acapulca, Taxco and outside of Mexico Honduras & Colombia. My perspective of Christianity in these countries is that Catholics are not offended by being called Christian and understand Protestants as Protestants…People are proud of being Catholic and understand quite well that Catholics are Christians…what cties are you referencing for your experience when you say Mexico…

I for the life of me cannot recall seeing any Protestant communities in any of these places…The Catholic Christian Churches are huge and easily found…where are you talking about?
 
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