Catholic vs. Lutheran Mass

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How much difference is there between the teachings of the Catholic faith and Lutheranism? Does the Catholic Church frown on attending their services? I am Catholic living in sort of an obscure area of town where there is no Catholic Church nearby, nor do I drive. There is however a Lutheran Church that meets at the local YMCA near my house which I’m considering attending for some kind of spiritual guidance and communion. Any (name removed by moderator)ut/experiences would be greatly appreciated. God bless!
 
No matter how similar Lutheran teaching is, it doesn’t approach the same level as Catholic teaching, because Lutheranism, as a Protestant religion, is inherently wrong. Also, Lutherans don’t have mass. Only the Catholic church has mass.

This is how attending other religions’ services works. It’s okay occasionally, but not past that. Why? Because attending, say, a Lutheran service regularly will make people think that you are now “one of them,” that you’re “in communion” with them, which is wrong for you to be. And, slowly, over time, this relationship will start to work in the opposite direction, in that you will develop connections to them and start to identify with them. That’s bad for two reasons. First, you potentially are involving yourself with a heretical religion, causing your soul to go into jeopardy. Second, people will start to talk. They’ll say stuff like, “Oh, he was Catholic… Now, he wants to be Lutheran.” That looks bad for the Church. People will probably say that I’m being “mean” or something by saying these things, but I don’t care, because it just makes sense. You have to understand that Protestants as a whole are extremely critical of the Catholic Church. I mean, that’s what “Protestant” means, a person who protests the Church. I am a former Baptist. Protestants will try to ensnare you in their “teachings” and try very hard to wean you off the Church. They may even place undue social pressures on you to abandon your Catholic faith. They will say something like, “Oh, the Catholic Church is wrong for [this poor argument] and [this poor argument] and [this poor argument],” and over time, it will be very tempting for you to cave in so that you will “fit in.”

Oh and, do NOT receive their “communion.” Lutherans believe that what they are receiving is the Body and Blood of Christ. They believe in the True Presence. But a Lutheran priest can say the Words of Consecration all day long, and the bread and wine never become Body and Blood, ever. Their priests don’t have the power to do that. So, first of all, their communion isn’t real. Secondly, think for a minute about what “communion” means. It means to be in commune, or close association, with others. By accepting their “communion,” you are not only receiving just bread and/or wine as opposed to Christ’s Body and Blood, but you are affirming that you believe in their beliefs, that you profess what they profess, that you are in communion with them, which, as a Catholic, you cannot be.

So, please don’t start going to a Lutheran church.
 
I don’t see the point in attending a Lutheran church. Their communion isn’t the real Body and Blood of Christ, so the only thing you can get out of it is the Liturgy of the Word and you can hear that on the radio or on TV.
 
Oh and, do NOT receive their “communion.” Lutherans believe that what they are receiving is the Body and Blood of Christ. They believe in the True Presence. But a Lutheran priest can say the Words of Consecration all day long, and the bread and wine never become Body and Blood, ever.
My Lutheran friend tells me that they believe in consubstantiation rather than transubstantiation though. That means they see the Bread as both bread and the Body of Christ while the wine stays as wine but is also the Blood of Christ.

But you’re right, unless they have some Apostolic Succession, it’s really a moot point.
 
No matter how similar Lutheran teaching is, it doesn’t approach the same level as Catholic teaching, because Lutheranism, as a Protestant religion, is inherently wrong. Also, Lutherans don’t have mass. Only the Catholic church has mass.

This is how attending other religions’ services works. It’s okay occasionally, but not past that. Why? Because attending, say, a Lutheran service regularly will make people think that you are now “one of them,” that you’re “in communion” with them, which is wrong for you to be. And, slowly, over time, this relationship will start to work in the opposite direction, in that you will develop connections to them and start to identify with them. That’s bad for two reasons. First, you potentially are involving yourself with a heretical religion, causing your soul to go into jeopardy. Second, people will start to talk. They’ll say stuff like, “Oh, he was Catholic… Now, he wants to be Lutheran.” That looks bad for the Church. People will probably say that I’m being “mean” or something by saying these things, but I don’t care, because it just makes sense. You have to understand that Protestants as a whole are extremely critical of the Catholic Church. I mean, that’s what “Protestant” means, a person who protests the Church. I am a former Baptist. Protestants will try to ensnare you in their “teachings” and try very hard to wean you off the Church. They may even place undue social pressures on you to abandon your Catholic faith. They will say something like, “Oh, the Catholic Church is wrong for [this poor argument] and [this poor argument] and [this poor argument],” and over time, it will be very tempting for you to cave in so that you will “fit in.”

Oh and, do NOT receive their “communion.” Lutherans believe that what they are receiving is the Body and Blood of Christ. They believe in the True Presence. But a Lutheran priest can say the Words of Consecration all day long, and the bread and wine never become Body and Blood, ever. Their priests don’t have the power to do that. So, first of all, their communion isn’t real. Secondly, think for a minute about what “communion” means. It means to be in commune, or close association, with others. By accepting their “communion,” you are not only receiving just bread and/or wine as opposed to Christ’s Body and Blood, but you are affirming that you believe in their beliefs, that you profess what they profess, that you are in communion with them, which, as a Catholic, you cannot be.
So, please don’t start going to a Lutheran church.
Exactly how do you know, that we Lutherans do not receive the Body and Blood of Christ in the bread and wine? Are you God?
I wouldn’t advise this person to receive Communion at a Lutheran church, because you need to be of like mind. There is a saying Lutheran Pulpits for Lutheran Pastors, Lutherans Altars for Lutherans only. This saying can be applied to the Catholic Church also.
 
Exactly how do you know, that we Lutherans do not receive the Body and Blood of Christ in the bread and wine? Are you God?
I wouldn’t advise this person to receive Communion at a Lutheran church, because you need to be of like mind. There is a saying Lutheran Pulpits for Lutheran Pastors, Lutherans Altars for Lutherans only. This saying can be applied to the Catholic Church also.
Apostolic Succession? The point here isn’t to argue religions between representatives of them. The point is to potentially save the soul of my Catholic brother. If you can, hypothetically, put yourself in this situation, I think you would understand where I’m coming from.

Two other Catholics have said the same thing about the Body and Blood of Christ on this thread. Although, from an argument perspective, that doesn’t mean anything. I’m just saying, this guy is a Catholic, and I, and others, are reaffirming to him what Catholic teaching is.
 
Exactly how do you know, that we Lutherans do not receive the Body and Blood of Christ in the bread and wine? Are you God?
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The Lutheran Church doesn’t have the apostalic succession. In other words, the minister can’t properly consecrate the bread and wine because he hasn’t the authority to do so. Catholics believe that this authority was given to our Church by Jesus Christ. Any Protestant denomination has broken their bonds with the authority of the Church that Christ established on earth. That’s why we don’t believe in the validity of the Communion service in a Lutheran Church.
 
The Lutheran Church doesn’t have the apostalic succession. In other words, the minister can’t properly consecrate the bread and wine because he hasn’t the authority to do so. Catholics believe that this authority was given to our Church by Jesus Christ. Any Protestant denomination has broken their bonds with the authority of the Church that Christ established on earth. That’s why we don’t believe in the validity of the Communion service in a Lutheran Church.
That being said about our Communion Mass, doesn’t change on who should receive Communion at a Lutheran or Catholic altar. Catholics should only go to Catholic altars and Lutherans should go to Lutheran altars. I do not understand why people should think that Lutheran or Catholic Churches should practice open Communion. The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod practices Closed Communion.
 
That being said about our Communion Mass, doesn’t change on who should receive Communion at a Lutheran or Catholic altar. Catholics should only go to Catholic altars and Lutherans should go to Lutheran altars. I do not understand why people should think that Lutheran or Catholic Churches should practice open Communion. The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod practices Closed Communion.
What does the Missouri Synod of the Lutheran Church have to do with anything? Many people here already said, either explicitly or implicitly, that the original poster should not receive Lutheran communion, for various reasons. The “Catholic” reason is that it’s not real. Another, more general reason, is that it shows commonality. No one here said that Lutheran or Catholic churches should practice open communion.
 
What does the Missouri Synod of the Lutheran Church have to do with anything? Many people here already said, either explicitly or implicitly, that the original poster should not receive Lutheran communion, for various reasons. The “Catholic” reason is that it’s not real. Another, more general reason, is that it shows commonality. No one here said that Lutheran or Catholic churches should practice open communion.
If someone wants to receive Communion at a Catholic church that is not Catholic or vise versa, that implies open Communion. There are some Lutheran Church bodies that do practice open Communion.
 
Exactly how do you know, that we Lutherans do not receive the Body and Blood of Christ in the bread and wine? Are you God?
Since Christianity began, it has been known that It takes a priest ordained by a bishop in Apostolic Succession to confect the Eucharist. Only the Catholic and Orthodox Churches have bishops and priests in Apostolic Succession and therefore have valid sacraments.

We recognize that the 16th century Lutheran view differs.
 
If someone wants to receive Communion at a Catholic church that is not Catholic or vise versa, that implies open Communion. There are some Lutheran Church bodies that do practice open Communion.
I know, but… what does that have to do with things here? People aren’t pre-screened for their “membership card.” So, the original poster could very well walk up and receive “communion” at a Lutheran service, right? I was just tell him not to, under any circumstances. By the way… I find it kind of odd that some Lutherans are open communion and some are closed. Isn’t that big enough of a situation to warrant some serious questioning of faith?
 
That being said about our Communion Mass, doesn’t change on who should receive Communion at a Lutheran or Catholic altar. Catholics should only go to Catholic altars and Lutherans should go to Lutheran altars. I do not understand why people should think that Lutheran or Catholic Churches should practice open Communion. The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod practices Closed Communion.
I’ve wondered why (some?) Lutherans refer to their liturgy as “Mass” when the English term developed from the dismissal of the Latin liturgy: “Ite missa est.”

Can you explain? Was the Lutheran liturgy ever in Latin?
 
How much difference is there between the teachings of the Catholic faith and Lutheranism? Does the Catholic Church frown on attending their services? I am Catholic living in sort of an obscure area of town where there is no Catholic Church nearby, nor do I drive. There is however a Lutheran Church that meets at the local YMCA near my house which I’m considering attending for some kind of spiritual guidance and communion. Any (name removed by moderator)ut/experiences would be greatly appreciated. God bless!
As others have said, you shouldn’t receive Lutheran communion, and I would simply try and attend a Catholic mass whenever you get the opportunity. But if this church does Choral Vespers on a Sunday evening, then you may find this a spiritually enriching service. It is non-eucharistic, based on the Latin Vespers, and the music can be very beautiful.
 
I’ve wondered why (some?) Lutherans refer to their liturgy as “Mass” when the English term developed from the dismissal of the Latin liturgy: “Ite missa est.”

Can you explain? Was the Lutheran liturgy ever in Latin?
If they use the term “Mass,” it is because they are just borrowing Catholic terminology. I think the term “liturgy” may be more appropriate for Lutheran and Catholic discussions.

There are some Lutherans who use a lot of the OF Mass, which of course is Latin-based. Lutheranism seems to be confined to the Germanic tongues; at least I think it was until Vatican II but I’m sure there are exceptions.
 
That being said about our Communion Mass, doesn’t change on who should receive Communion at a Lutheran or Catholic altar. Catholics should only go to Catholic altars and Lutherans should go to Lutheran altars. I do not understand why people should think that Lutheran or Catholic Churches should practice open Communion. The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod practices Closed Communion.
I don’t know if the original poster intended to actually recieve communion at the Lutheran church. It’s pretty much understood among Catholics that if you attend a non-Catholic service for whatever reason (Wedding, funeral, boss’ baby’s Baptism, friend asked you to, etc) you do not recieve communion even if you are invited to. I would imagine that he or she was wondering if he could just go and hear the Liturgy of the Word and the sermon and maybe enjoy some Christian fellowship over donuts after, since it’s so far to get to Mass. I’ve never heard of a Lutheran church extending communion to non-Lutherans but I’m mostly aquainted with traditional Missouri-Synod type of Lutherans.
 
If someone wants to receive Communion at a Catholic church that is not Catholic or vise versa, that implies open Communion. There are some Lutheran Church bodies that do practice open Communion.
There is no catholic church that practise open communion… and there is not catholic, thats allowed to receive communion at a church thats not aproved by rome 🙂 that’s what makes us catholic 😉
 
In addition to allowing the Orthodox communion, The Roman Catholic church does allow members of the Polish National Catholic Church (schismatic US-based church) and the Assyrian Church of the East (resulted from Church of the East/Chaldean Catholic schism) to receive communion. I’m not sure if these same guidelines are in Eastern and Oriental Catholic Churches; if I had to guess, I’d say no.

I was surprised to learn that limited inter-communion does exist with the PNCC. They were once in communion with the Episcopal church.
 
Also, Lutherans don’t have mass. Only the Catholic church has mass.
That’s not quite true. The following churches that are not in communion with the Catholic Church have valid Masses (though many don’t call it “Mass”, of course):

Eastern Orthodox Church
Oriental Orthodox Church
Assyrian Church of the East
Ancient Church of the East

And western groups such as…

Old Catholic Church
Polish National Catholic Church
And other groups like the SSPX, etc.
 
How much difference is there between the teachings of the Catholic faith and Lutheranism? Does the Catholic Church frown on attending their services? I am Catholic living in sort of an obscure area of town where there is no Catholic Church nearby, nor do I drive. There is however a Lutheran Church that meets at the local YMCA near my house which I’m considering attending for some kind of spiritual guidance and communion. Any (name removed by moderator)ut/experiences would be greatly appreciated. God bless!
Which Lutheran church are you referring to? ELCA, LCMS ALC ?
One is conservative, One is very liberal, I’m not sure about ALC.
Look them up.

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