Catholic women marrying non-Catholic men

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There is a huge difference in refusing to convert and delaying the conversion until such time as it does not tear the union apart. God does not call us to destroy our marriages with selfish decisions. He calls us to work together for one common good. If one desires to convert and the spouse stronly objects, you should endevor to change you spouses mind with prayer and by showing him/her that you only mean good by the change. If, after a reasonable period of time, it becomes clear that the other’s mind will not change, I can see making a unilateral decision. How often, however, can a short delay make the difference between acceptance and a life long alteration of a marriage?

I’m just saying that we owe the other a large degree of patience when doing things that they strongly object to. Unilateral changes done hastily are never good.
How is it, in any way, selfish to give ourselves to God? Being a Christian, and especially a Catholic, is the most UN-selfish thing a person can possibly do!! When considering the commands, tradition, and teaching we are expected to follow, this is far from selfish. We are called to be perfect as our Father is perfect - delaying that or putting it off for peace in the home is a sin against that directive from Christ.

I love my husband more than words can say - but if he decided one day to leave the Faith, I certainly would not follow him just to keep the peace. How is this in any way different from not converting when called? I believe that it would be an act of rejecting grace into the marriage by refusing the call to convert - I can’t even imagine what Christ’s question would be should that person die…“So, let me get this straight, you knew I was the Way, the Truth, and the Life, but yet you still rejected Me by rejecting My Bride? Be gone from Me, for I do not know you.”

~Liza
 
Our marriage prevents us from doing only what we want to do without regarding the other’s needs. If we damage our spouse, we do so in opposition to the Scriptures. Again, I did not say that one should convert to keep the marriage - as in your example, I said we should consider delaying our own gratification if our spouse is a strong Christian and objects to our conversion. There is a big difference in our scenerios.

If we destroy our marriage to gratify ourselves when by waiting, praying and being a good example we could have kept a strong marriage and followed the Holy Spirit’s call, how is that a bad thing? We also serve to be a good example to our spouse about denying ourselves to serve him/her.

Again, I’m not saying never convert, I’m saying do everything in your power to keep peace and love in your marriage before doing something to make the other grieve.
 
How is it, in any way, selfish to give ourselves to God? Being a Christian, and especially a Catholic, is the most UN-selfish thing a person can possibly do!! When considering the commands, tradition, and teaching we are expected to follow, this is far from selfish. We are called to be perfect as our Father is perfect - delaying that or putting it off for peace in the home is a sin against that directive from Christ.

I love my husband more than words can say - but if he decided one day to leave the Faith, I certainly would not follow him just to keep the peace. How is this in any way different from not converting when called? I believe that it would be an act of rejecting grace into the marriage by refusing the call to convert - I can’t even imagine what Christ’s question would be should that person die…“So, let me get this straight, you knew I was the Way, the Truth, and the Life, but yet you still rejected Me by rejecting My Bride? Be gone from Me, for I do not know you.”

~Liza
Liza,

I always enjoy reading your post. I could not agree with you more. I recently had a friend who were both catholic. He left the faith and then she followed him. After all of our converstation about the Eucharist and how she loved him so much, i don’t understand how she could leave the faith. This is a denial of her Lord, this is her soul…​

For all those who have posted on the thread that you are in a mixed marriage. i would like to hear from your partners… How do they feel about being in a mixed marriage? Does your faith cause them any pain; are they as happy in their faith as you are? Was it as such a hard decision to date outside their faith or did it really only matter that that person was christian?
 
Is it just me … but posts in this thread justify a form of bigotry I find appalling.

Love thy Neighbor. But don’t marry him because they’re not catholic. Not too different from that old classic Sidney Poitier film ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner’. or Romeo & Juliet.
 
beckers:

My hubby doesn’t care reallybut he enjoys/likes the Catholic faith for the most part. He’s just not sure yet (not 100% anyway) if he belongs there… I’m a Proverbs 31 woman. Try to show him how it is to be Catholic and answer his questions 🙂 I’m confident he’ll convert in God’s time, if it is His will!
 
Is it just me … but posts in this thread justify a form of bigotry I find appalling.

Love thy Neighbor. But don’t marry him because they’re not catholic. Not too different from that old classic Sidney Poitier film ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner’. or Romeo & Juliet.
How is bigotry to discuss those traits that are going to be “deal breakers” in a relationship? Women and men do it everytime they date someone. You decide which things are most important in your mate. If the person you are with doesn’t have those qualities then you don’t date them or end the relationship.

This thread is about the specific trait in a mate…their faith… and finding someone who shares your faith. Some say it’s not that big of deal and some of us say it is a big deal. There is nothing bigotry about it.
 
For all those who have posted on the thread that you are in a mixed marriage. i would like to hear from your partners… How do they feel about being in a mixed marriage? Does your faith cause them any pain; are they as happy in their faith as you are? Was it as such a hard decision to date outside their faith or did it really only matter that that person was christian?
My husband was raised Methodist, and is a faithful person. He does not attend any religious services, except that he does go to Catholic Mass with me on Christmas and Easter. He believes he can find God more in a walk in the woods than in a church building. I don’t deny that my husband can feel close to God in nature (I do too, taking in his glorious creation), but I know that that’s not enough, and that receiving our Lord in Holy Communion is essential (and wonderful!).

My husband agreed to be married in the Catholic Church because he knew how important it was to me. He agreed that our children would be raised Catholic, and our daughter was baptized Catholic. I often ask if he’d like to go to Mass with us, and he politely declines. I keep praying, and keep inviting him, confidently believing that one day he will hear God knocking on his heart.

My father-in-law was raised “Catholic” (in quotes b/c from what I hear, it wasn’t a very Catholic household 😦 ) but fell away once he was an adult. He bad-mouthed the Catholic Church, and so my husband does have some concerns (b/c of those faulty comments), but not enough to cause a problem with our daughter being raised Catholic. I pray that I can be the counter to my father-in-law’s damage, in showing my husband the wonderful truth of our Catholic Church.

Lately it really seems like he is searching more and more, reaching out to me more regarding God. I’m very open and vocal about my faith, he isn’t, but that’s changing by baby steps. When our daughter was born is when I really started noticing a difference, and I pray he will continue to feel the Holy Spirit’s prompting.
 
Why do so many Catholic women marry non-Catholic men?
And the corollary: Why do so many Catholic men marry non-Catholic women?

Here’s why.

One: While the six precepts of the church (now five) strongly discouraged marriage outside the church, the last 50 years have seen this discouragement lifted. . .by the Church. It is no longer strongly discouraged. We may agree or disagree with the reasons, but fact is, we are not ‘discouraged’ from intermarriage.

Two: Because of #1 we see a sort of ‘rebound’ effect. I have read that, after WW2, when GIs were stationed in Japan (or in Germany, or Italy), a larger than normal percentage of them married the ‘native’ women; the theory was that the GIs had, over the war years, been conditioned to think of ‘the enemy’ in the worst possible terms. On actually MEETING ‘the enemy’, they found them to be by no means the ‘demons’ that they had been presented to be. In a ‘rebound’ effect, that made the women appear more attractive as being ‘nicer’. Thus, a lot of marriages between Catholics and non-Catholics occurred because, on the ‘one’ group meeting the other group, they found themselves to superficially have a lot more in common than they had thought, and the perception that they were not ‘so evil’ made them appear more attractive.

Three: Depending on the area, there are sometimes far many more of one ‘religious’ group available for dating than the other group. Factor in that many more women in the last 50 years have been going away to colleges. . .and there were more ‘non Catholics’ in the dating pool for many. . .or vice versa.

Four: Dwindling ‘cultural Catholicism’. Even a person going to a ‘good Catholic college’ in the last 50 years was more likely to be exposed to lots of ‘error’ in the Catholic teaching. Relativism and indifferentism made the notion of specifically looking ONLY at ‘one’ religious group appear to be intolerant bigotry at worst; at best it was considered a quaint sort of practice. Lots of priests and religious at the time would pooh-pooh the idea of marrying ‘like’ as well.

Five: Coupled with #4, from 20-50 years ago (pre internet) there was simply a HUGE dearth of authentic Catholic teaching material, and a HUGE inundation of various PROBLEMATIC works (Fr. Greeley, Fr. McBrien, etc.) Even if you were TRYING to follow your faith teaching, you had very little opportunity, depending on your location, of finding supportive FAMILY, supportive PRIESTS, supportive BOOKS, supportive GROUPS, etc. You were far more likely to find people encouraging you to ‘go outside the box’.

Six: Along with all the above, the sexual revolution encouraged the ideas of marriage and ‘womens’ liberation’ to be ‘liberating’ on ALL fronts. No longer bound to the ‘old’ ideals, women were encouraged to do all, and be all. Rather than looking to the one , so -called intolerant and bigoted idea of marrying ‘in the faith’, we were encouraged to explore our ‘whole identity’, to marry for ‘love’ and to trust that, since “God is love”, HE would be guiding us. Not some silly old church with its celibate men!!

Seven. . .eight, nine, etc.: Various other ‘reasons’ depending on individuals. Some married men who had said they would convert – then didn’t. Some went into marriage not realizing what marriage was truly all about. Some were deceived; some deceived others. There are thousands of reasons WHY a given man married a given woman --and vice versa.
 
Catholicism is not as big as Lutheran-Protestantism is in Sweden. I married a Swede, who was baptised L-P and is non-practicing/agnostic, who enjoys being married to a sweet Catholic woman who is practicing. 🙂

Good enough answer to why I married a non-Catholic ? LOL

Night night! C U in the morning!
 
  1. Do you think a person should not convert to Church unless their spouse is converting as well?
    No. I think as soon as a person is confronted with the Truth, the ONLY right thing to do is to act upon that truth.
  2. Do you think the Church should stop allowing mixed marriages performed in the church,
    I would hesitate to say an outright “no” though as surely a Catholic in such a situation needs their marriage to have as many graces as possible. But I do think the priest should sit them down and discuss the rocky future they may have.
  3. Do you not think that if the Church says “No Mixed Marriages” she would come across as being cultish in nature?
    The Church does not and should not base what is best for souls on popular opinion.
There is a difference between pointing out church teaching and telling people they’ve gone against church teaching by marrying a non-Catholic in a Catholic ceremony performed by two priests!!!
Ideally, it is best for a catholic to marry a catholic and that’s all that has been said here. It’s as simple as that. Once married, the best one can do is pray for conversion and that faith not become a divisive issue in the family.
Yes, it is an issue, when you have such strong feelings about a person not being in a mixed marriage to begin with, that’s what I meant.
No, it’s NOT an issue to say you/your family would be better off if your dh was Catholic and had been from the beginning! The notion that any Catholic could think otherwise rather boggles the mind.
this, quoted from one of your posts on the first page, is why I’m “taking things way too personally”:

1ke: "Frank, it is not limited to Catholic women marrying non-Catholic men. Tons of Catholic men date and marry non-Catholic women.

And, the answer is because they (men and women) have been poorly catechized and are foolishly short-sighted. Simply, they aren’t thinking straight or they wouldn’t get involved with a non-Catohlic in the first place."


When you call people “foolishly short-sighted” and say they “simply aren’t thinking straight” that’s quite hurtful.

I agree, you are taking it too personal. It’s not insulting to state the gereral obvious. To date someone who is not catholic, to enter into a relationship with someone who is not catholic , to then marry someone who isn’t catholic = to not be thinking about the effects of a non catholic parent for future children to be short-sighted as to all the many ways the difference of faith can and often does cause hardship in the family over the, hopefully, many years together.
In my opinion, a spouse should not convert if the other spouse is a) a strongpracticing Christian and b) objects to the conversion.
the church disagrees with you.
That may mean that someone must wait longer to convert than they desire.
I’d rather die catholic, thank you.
He does not call us to sever our marriage ties with quick decisions.
Yikes. No one is saying to do that either. And it’s rarely a “quick” decision.
‘stress in marrying a non-catholic’?

I’ve never had any stress with my non-catholic hubby.:confused:
**Really? Then something is “up” with that, imho.:confused: **
birth control or insisting the kids go to mass or talked about sin or about the True Presence, or the pope or pergatory, or a dozen other things???

**I find it hard to believe one could feel strongly about such things with someone who also has strong differring beliefs and it never create any stress or some worries.🤷 **
This thread is about the specific trait in a mate…their faith… and finding someone who shares your faith. Some say it’s not that big of deal and some of us say it is a big deal. There is nothing bigotry about it.
**Exactly. **
****Utter nonsense. Having faith and an opinion and wanting to safeguard as best possible Catholic faith in future children is NOT bigotry for crying out loud.:rolleyes: **

You can love they neighbor without marrying him/her.
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**And, btw, I AM married to a wonderful and awesome man who is not christian. It’s the ONLY thing I’d ever change about him if I could. But I can’t so I pray for him to convert. The sooner the better!👍 **
 
** My hubby doesn’t care reallybut he enjoys/likes the Catholic faith for the most part. He’s just not sure yet** (not 100% anyway) if he belongs there… I’m a Proverbs 31 woman. Try to show him how it is to be Catholic and answer his questions 🙂 I’m confident he’ll convert in God’s time, if it is His will!
My husband was raised Methodist, and is a faithful person. He does not attend any religious services, except that he does go to Catholic Mass with me on Christmas and Easter. He believes he can find God more in a walk in the woods than in a church building. I don’t deny that my husband can feel close to God in nature (I do too, taking in his glorious creation), but I know that that’s not enough, and that receiving our Lord in Holy Communion is essential (and wonderful!).
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I think the experiences would be different if the husband did feel strongly (and let you know it) e.g., whether he didn’t believe in God (atheist or agnostic) or he came from an evangelical or fundamentalist background and reverted after a period of apathy or inactivity.

I think discouraging unmarried people from choosing this path is wise; it will serve to protect them from heartache when their spouse not only doesn’t become Catholic but becomes hostile to the faith (or becomes Catholic then becomes hostile). Infatuation (which is often still present when people decided to marry) can blind them especially if there has been premarital sexual activity.

I’m using the above as examples; nothing personal intended.
Disagreement does not equal an attack.
 
To judge by what you view in the pew is to draw a conclusion to something which you most likely know nothing about. Perhaps some of the women are married to Catholic men who do not attend Mass; perhaps some women have a husband who must work crazy hours and attends a different Mass; perhaps some of these women converted to the Faith since their marriage. I know not what goes on in the homes of others, and know that sometimes people are just doing the very best they personally know how. Sometimes the answers are none of our business. 😉

Peace be with you,

Kelly
This is a good point. Perhaps some of the women are like my sister…her husband gets deployed and is continents away…living a faithful Catholic life that is not apparent to those in the pew behind her.
 
My priest, who did the pre-cana here in Sweden, a Brit, told me there is NO reason for my hubby to convert from Lutheran-Protestant to Catholicism because there isn’t THAT big a difference; compared to if I were marrying a man of Islam faith.

I’m quite happy with my marriage and we’re a very happy couple. Our marriage is picture perfect, regardless if he’s non-Catholic.
It’s such a shame that your first marriage didn’t work out. The Lord put my husband and I together, and we fit like two peas in a pod. We were meant to be together and always will be, 'til death do us part… and even in Heaven, we’ll be together, I just know it. He’s the perfect husband, perfect friend, perfect father to our child and furkids. 🙂 I’m just so happy I have him in my life and we thank the Lord he paired us up together and blessed us so many times in our 11 years together. 🙂

Thank you Lord, for bringing (the agnostic-lutheran-protestant, and someday Catholic) hubby into my life. The Lord did do this, as he did not bless me with any companions up until my husband! We’re “evenly yoked” indeed 😃 And so blessed.

So I sing my praises everyday since I met my husband!
I’ve never had any stress with my non-catholic hubby.:confused:
imamom,

I am so glad that you love your husband so much and that the two of you have a good relationship. But the picture you give of your marriage, at least to me, sounds too good to be true. No husband is perfect, and I have never sen a marriage that does not have some stress at some point.

God bless you.
 
I think discouraging unmarried people from choosing this path is wise; it will serve to protect them from heartache when their spouse not only doesn’t become Catholic but becomes hostile to the faith (or becomes Catholic then becomes hostile).
Sure, because for some it can become a heartache or hostile. My heart aches for my husband, but I take that heartache and use it as even more motivation to pray for him.

I can only speak for myself, but I think that as you said, discouraging unmarried people from this path is wise, but calling people who are already in mixed-marriages names only makes us feel bad – like our marriages and we ourselves aren’t “good Catholics,” even when we were married in the Church for the right reasons. I’m sure you can see that that’s why I took some comments personally.

By the way, I like your screenname. 🙂
 
1ke, your post was deogratory as plainly pointed out by Belle10.

Belle10 we need to carry our own crosses and be yolked with Christ.

This thread reminds me of how my husband remarked how he felt some people were staring at him at church when he came with me one day and how uncomfortable it made him feel. There are some hardships when you marry someone outside of our faith. I won’t recommend it for my children, but it is their choice.

Here are the statistics in my family:

Mom & Dad both practicing = 3 out of 4 kids go to church
2 Sisters married both practicing = 0 out of 8 kids go to church
1 non practicing brother married to 1 non practicing catholic = divorce & annulment = 0 kids practicing out of 2
 
Sure, because for some it can become a heartache or hostile. My heart aches for my husband, but I take that heartache and use it as even more motivation to pray for him.

I can only speak for myself, but I think that as you said, discouraging unmarried people from this path is wise, but calling people who are already in mixed-marriages names only makes us feel bad – like our marriages and we ourselves aren’t “good Catholics,” even when we were married in the Church for the right reasons. I’m sure you can see that that’s why I took some comments personally.

By the way, I like your screenname. 🙂
My bold.

The example I was considering was one where there is conflict because the couple doesn’t share the same faith. You say “for some”; I say “for you, perhaps not yet”. It’s not something I wish for you, I just don’t want a Catholic who is considering marrying a non-Catholic to think, from what you said, that all will be well, you just have to pray. Too many people go into marriage with all kinds of strikes against them and think they are the exception to the rule.

I disagree that anyone called you names, nor did anyone suggest that you are not good Catholics. What I do see is that this topic clearly hit a nerve with you and a few others and probably would with me if I were married to a non-Catholic.

I’ve think I’ve experienced the same thing when hearing/reading the words of various Catholics who hold strongly to Church teaching. They didn’t insult but neither did they soft peddle church teaching. They were just straightforward and I thought “how dare they judge me?” Well, objectively speaking, they weren’t; they were just giving it to the reader or listener straight. The discomfort I experienced was my conscience being awakened or being given a good stiff poke in the ribs.
 
I married a non-Catholic man because he is the man God chose for my spouse, it’s as simple as that. As Martha said, his being non-Catholic is the ONLY thing I would change, but that may come in time. He attends Mass with me and has made it very clear that families must attend church together, so when we adopt, we will all attend Mass as a family.
 
Sure, because for some it can become a heartache or hostile. My heart aches for my husband, but I take that heartache and use it as even more motivation to pray for him.

I can only speak for myself, but I think that as you said, discouraging unmarried people from this path is wise, but calling people who are already in mixed-marriages names only makes us feel bad – like our marriages and we ourselves aren’t “good Catholics,” even when we were married in the Church for the right reasons. I’m sure you can see that that’s why I took some comments personally.

By the way, I like your screenname. 🙂
What names have people called those in mixed marriages? I hope you don’t think any of us are suggesting that those in mixed marriages should divorce or leave their spouse because they are not-catholic or that somehow they are not “good standing catholics”. If that is the case then i would need to throw my father in that pile since he was married to a protestant women for 14 years before she converted. I think we have all acknowledged that mixed marriages do happen but that if your not married that perhaps finding a spouse who is a practicing (not a name only) catholic is something that should be high on your list.

You say your heartaches for your husband. Is it because you know the fullness of the truth of the catholic church and you want your husband to be able to join you in that? Do you not want to partake in all the beauties of the sacraments with him? I am assuming you do because you said your heart aches for your husband.

I have enough crosses and issues in my life in general so why as a single women would I choose to pick up a cross that is not intended for me? Why would I date someone knowing that in this one big area of my life it will cause me heartache and pain to be in a relationship with someone who doesn’t comprehend or understand that part of my life? A part of me that I truly hold as the center of who I am? I’ve broken off a relationship because the guy was anti-catholic. He liked me but not my religion, well sorry God comes first. I am not leaving the faith for him. (P.S. I am not saying that both people being practicing Catholics is going to make a marriage not fail because we all know that is false. But why purposely add an issue to a marriage?)
 
Let’s not forget that St. Augustine eventually came around. This should give us some hope.
 
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