Catholic word game: Old vs New

[ChemicalBean]

Thanks for telling us the Latin name. I’m pretty sure you just pulled the ‘new’ term out of thin air. When I was an altar server, we just referred to it as the ‘bowl’ or the ‘bowl with water’.

I was just playing along, guys. And having a little fun with “flinger-thingy” (thus the smiley). Some people are reading way too much into this, and I think the responses serve to illustrate my point for chiming in. The terms, whether or not still valid, or partial or incomplete, are confusing, no matter what mass form you would prefer.

 

[LilyM]

One thing that should be evident, friend, judging from responses you have received, is the one thing that hasn’t changed is that a modernist is still a modernist, a liberal is still a liberal, and it is of no importance whatsoever how much Latin or Chant they wrap their responses in, they are still misleading the faithful. St Pius X, pray for us.

And a sooky la-la is still a sooky la-la - and there are just as many of them who attend the EF as the OF.

 

[Indyann]

And a sooky la-la is still a sooky la-la - and there are just as many of them who attend the EF as the OF.

I have never heard that term before, so I had to look it up.
What an apt discription:thumbsup:

 

[LilyM]

I have never heard that term before, so I had to look it up.
What an apt discription:thumbsup:

Thank you - it might be more commonly used here in Australia, we’ve always had rather a ahem unique approach to language. :whacky:

Put it this way - I appreciate that it many places there ARE genuine, and perfectly valid, concerns about the way the OF is celebrated. I fail to see, however, that coming on here to vent about them achieves a darn thing.

 

[maurin]

And a sooky la-la is still a sooky la-la - and there are just as many of them who attend the EF as the OF.

Thank you for providing a good example of my point, Lily, by your non-response.

My grandmother used to say that you can put a hat on a pumpkin, but all you’ve got in the end is a pumpkin with a hat on it.

 

[LilyM]

Put it this way - I appreciate that it many places there ARE genuine, and perfectly valid, concerns about the way the OF is celebrated. I fail to see, however, that coming on here to vent about them achieves a darn thing.

Is that a better response for you, maurin?

The sooky la-la comment was on precisely the same level as the comment to which it responded, which was similarly a non-response. Of course it doesn’t constitute the sum total of what I’ve said on the topic, as you’ll easily see if you bother reading the rest of the thread.

 

[maurin]

Is that a better response for you, maurin?

The sooky la-la comment was on precisely the same level as the comment to which it responded, which was similarly a non-response. Of course it doesn’t constitute the sum total of what I’ve said on the topic, as you’ll easily see if you bother reading the rest of the thread.

such a well reasoned and thought out response Lily. We are all enriched by your efforts.

Of course, you are completely giving good example to the point I made, which is a simple one: you can dress up modernism and liberalism in the most Traditional of fashions, but all you get in the end is modernism and liberalism. You don’t get, unfortunately, anything of substance, or Tradition.

You may carry on now, if you wish to do so.

 

[magdalina]

Girl
Woman Child

???
Ambo

 

[Indyann]

Girl
Woman Child

???
Ambo

I have never heard a girl called a “woman child”, but I do remember when the priest spoke from the “pulpit”.

 

[LilyM]

such a well reasoned and thought out response Lily. We are all enriched by your efforts.

Of course, you are completely giving good example to the point I made, which is a simple one: you can dress up modernism and liberalism in the most Traditional of fashions, but all you get in the end is modernism and liberalism. You don’t get, unfortunately, anything of substance, or Tradition.

You may carry on now, if you wish to do so.

And you are brilliantly making mine, although I intended it light-heartedly (you do know that people aren’t designed to be serious every second of every day, don’t you?)

I can only wonder what else you’d find to complain about if every change you wanted made to the liturgy came about. Because you certainly won’t stop complaining about something or other until your final breath, if your posts on here are anything to judge by.

God bless, my dear sister in Christ.

 

[patrick457]

BTW, if I could add somethin’:

Altar as sacrosanct (ooh, heavy word!) space >>> Altar as free-for-all space

Sorry, can’t resist.

By the way, a bit of an unrelated question, but what is the older verb for describing a priest doing a Mass? ‘Celebrating’, ‘offering’, or ‘praying’ the Mass?

 

[Indyann]

BTW, if I could add somethin’:

Altar as sacrosanct (ooh, heavy word!) space >>> Altar as free-for-all space

Sorry, can’t resist.

By the way, a bit of an unrelated question, but what is the older verb for describing a priest doing a Mass? ‘Celebrating’, ‘offering’, or ‘praying’ the Mass?

You really should have resisted your first comment. It is beneath you.

Back in the day, in my part of the country, it was “hear” Mass.

 

[patrick457]

You really should have resisted your first comment. It is beneath you.

Back in the day, in my part of the country, it was “hear” Mass.

Oops, I’m sorry.
But then again, I do feel that in some areas - not all, mind - the idea of the sanctity of the altar area, that it’s not just some location inside the church to which anyone can casually approach that happened to have a ‘table’ in it, is disappearing along with the general distinction between the ‘sacred’ and ‘profane’.

And nope, I meant the priest. I know that all terms are technically correct, but which usage is older: a priest ‘celebrating’ the Mass, ‘offering’ the Mass, or ‘praying’ the Mass?

 

[Indyann]

Oops, I’m sorry.
But then again, I do feel that in some areas - not all, mind - the idea of the sanctity of the altar area, that it’s not just some area you can casually approach, is disappearing.

And nope, I meant the priest. I know that all terms are technically correct, but which usage is older: a priest ‘celebrating’ the Mass, ‘offering’ the Mass, or ‘praying’ the Mass?

Well from your post, I thought you meant the altar, not the sanctuary area.

I don’t know which term is older. I do not remember of “celebrate” being used. “Praying the Mass” was common, but we
always said we were going to have a Mass offered, as for a death,etc.
Most of the time it was, "The priest said Mass "

 

[patrick457]

Well from your post, I thought you meant the altar, not the sanctuary area.

I should have said sanctuary…wow, a sure sign that my already-poor English further deteriorates.

I don’t know which term is older. I do not remember of “celebrate” being used. “Praying the Mass” was common, but we
always said we were going to have a Mass offered, as for a death,etc.
Most of the time it was, "The priest said Mass "

Thanks for this!

 

[Layman]

Looks to me like a form of propaganda and brainwashing. Change what people call something, change what they think about it e.g. ‘collateral damage’.

It also makes the utterer look more educated: ‘Liturgy of the Eucharist’ vs. ‘Mass’.

 

[Onegin]

It also makes the utterer look more educated: ‘Liturgy of the Eucharist’ vs. ‘Mass’.

The focus gets turned inwards, towards man.

 

[maurin]

And you are brilliantly making mine, although I intended it light-heartedly (you do know that people aren’t designed to be serious every second of every day, don’t you?)

I can only wonder what else you’d find to complain about if every change you wanted made to the liturgy came about. Because you certainly won’t stop complaining about something or other until your final breath, if your posts on here are anything to judge by.
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God bless, my dear sister in Christ.

The only thing I have to complain about, Lily, is your second paragraph, and its unlikeness to anything I"ve said. In his encyclical Pascendi St Pius X points out than when a modernist is confronted with certain truths with which he doesn’t agree his emotions run the gamut between feigned horror, hurt, anf then they go into attack.

He was spot on. Maybe why he was Canonized.

 

[cccw2009]

I must be the only one that finds the term “girl alter boys” offensive. maybe I’m just too sensitive but why can’t they be referred to as alter girls or just girl alter servers?

 

[Onegin]

I must be the only one that finds the term “girl alter boys” offensive. maybe I’m just too sensitive but why can’t they be referred to as alter girls or just girl alter servers?

How is it in any way offensive? It may not be the common usage of the word but how on earth can you derive an offensive meaning from it?