Catholic x Orthodox

[blybly]

With all his understanding of the sacredness of the Catholic church, I dare some questions and details, but the heart can feel that they are not needed here, because we have no other than Christ’s Church - the Catholic Church, but here you are

Orthodox’s here (Sevastopol, Crymea, Ukraine) in the Moscow Patriarchate have a dominant force, they’re against the return of the Catholic Church in our city and stuff like that. Anti-Catholic activity in the face. I felt that I found it hard to be nice to the Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate this days. And funny thing is Kiev Patriarchat have great relationships with Catholics and Greek-Catholics of Ukraine, so to speak, Kiev Patriarchat seems “good” Orthodox. Dont have any problem with this good christiany people.

I understand that salvation is in Christ and the Church here gives direct, saveful orders, but I feel that Orthodoxy is for the supremacy of Christ as the Lord who died. But we know that Jesus - every moment in our hearts and in the hearts of our priests to the “stone of the Apostle Peter,” as Jesus commanded us.

Orthodox position - is very easy to say that Catholics themselves heard by their Christian destiny, but because it is the Orthodox do - they are not the Vatican decree. They live in a closed Gospel, they do not live a full Gospel, 100% Gospel like we (catholics) do. And I feel frank inversion in their words - what is false.

But now I’m more worried about a history that I may have forgotten, correct me if I’m wrong: after all, Jesus founded the Church on Peter. By the will of God, Peter fell in Rome. A century later, the truth of the faith cleansing of heresy under the patronage of the successor of Peter - the Pope - it was all right. Eastern Christians (Orthodox future) agreed with this, isn’t it? Both agreed that the Pope - it is their heir, the heir of Jesus, the heir of Peter. However, it is the government and some of the views of the future of the Orthodox population wanted to Patriarch was the head, no matter where and no matter what - but the head of Christianity, even within Byzantium.

Or do i misunderstood?

 

[hazcompat]

You are right!
Saint Optatus
Bishop of Miletus
THE CATHEDRA
The Cathedra?- we must see who was the first to sit on the Cathedra, and where he sat. If you do not know this, learn. If you do know, blush. Ignorance can not be attributed to you it follows that you know. For one who knows, to err is sin. Those who do not know may sometimes be pardoned. You cannot then deny that you do know that upon Peter first in the City of Rome was bestowed the Episcopal Cathedra on which sat Peter, the Head of all the Apostles (for which reason he was called Cephas ),
1 St. Cyprian was the first Father to use the term Cathedra (Chair). He applied it (as a word in common use at the time) to the See of Rome which he termed the Cathedra Petri. Parmenian, evidently, had claimed the Cathedra, stating that it belonged to him through the Angelus or Bishop (in other words We have valid Orders, and therefore we are in the Church ). St. Optatus replies to this in the text by making direct appeal to Rome. No man can possess a Cathedra, argues Optatus, who is not in communion with the one Cathedra, which, in all but successive sentences, he calls una Cathedra, singularis Cathedra and Cathedra unica.
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6 Evidently St. Optatus had no fear that any objection should be taken to what he was about to urge, as to something new. On the contrary, it was well known and recognised by all. You cannot deny that you do know. Petro primo. This in answer to who it was who first sat on the Cathedra (quis i>). The answer is Peter.

7 in urbe Roma. This in answer to the question where was he the first to sit (ubi ?). The answer is Rome.

THE CATHEDRA PETRI that, in this one Cathedra, unity should be preserved by all,
1 lest the other Apostles might claim each for himself separate Cathedras, so that he who should set up a second Cathedra against the unique Cathedra 2 would already be a schismatic and a sinner.
This is the doctrine so often and so clearly expressed by St. Cyprian, cf. e.g. Una ecclesia a Christo Domino nostro super Petrum, origine unitatis et ratione fundata (Ep. Ixx, 3), and Petro primum Dominus, super quern aedificavit Ecclesiam, et unde unitatis originem instituit et ostendit, potestatem istam dedit (Ep. Ixxiii, 3), and Deus unus est et Christus unus, et una Ecclesia, et Cathedra una, super Petrum Domini voce fundata (xliii, 5) .

We should always bear in mind that St. Cyprian was at this time the great authorityin Christian Africa, not only in the eyes of Catholics, but also in those of Donatists.
This perfectly plain doctrine of St. Optatus was never once challenged amongst Christians (the Albigenses were Manichees rather than Christians) until the days of Hus and Wycliffe, some nine hundred years later.

THE WORK OF ST. OPTATUS
BISHOP OF MILEVIS
AGAINST THE DONATISTS
WITH APPENDIX
TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH O "T
WITH NOTES CRITICAL, EXPLANATORY,
THEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL
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BY THE n
REV. O. R. VASSALL-PHILLIPS, B.A.
BALLIOL COLLEGE, OXFORD

Peace

 

[thistle]

With all his understanding of the sacredness of the Catholic church, I dare some questions and details, but the heart can feel that they are not needed here, because we have no other than Christ’s Church - the Catholic Church, but here you are

Orthodox’s here (Sevastopol, Crymea, Ukraine) in the Moscow Patriarchate have a dominant force, they’re against the return of the Catholic Church in our city and stuff like that. Anti-Catholic activity in the face. I felt that I found it hard to be nice to the Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate this days. And funny thing is Kiev Patriarchat have great relationships with Catholics and Greek-Catholics of Ukraine, so to speak, Kiev Patriarchat seems “good” Orthodox. Dont have any problem with this good christiany people.

I understand that salvation is in Christ and the Church here gives direct, saveful orders, but I feel that Orthodoxy is for the supremacy of Christ as the Lord who died. But we know that Jesus - every moment in our hearts and in the hearts of our priests to the “stone of the Apostle Peter,” as Jesus commanded us.

Orthodox position - is very easy to say that Catholics themselves heard by their Christian destiny, but because it is the Orthodox do - they are not the Vatican decree. They live in a closed Gospel, they do not live a full Gospel, 100% Gospel like we (catholics) do. And I feel frank inversion in their words - what is false.

But now I’m more worried about a history that I may have forgotten, correct me if I’m wrong: after all, Jesus founded the Church on Peter. By the will of God, Peter fell in Rome. A century later, the truth of the faith cleansing of heresy under the patronage of the successor of Peter - the Pope - it was all right. Eastern Christians (Orthodox future) agreed with this, isn’t it? Both agreed that the Pope - it is their heir, the heir of Jesus, the heir of Peter. However, it is the government and some of the views of the future of the Orthodox population wanted to Patriarch was the head, no matter where and no matter what - but the head of Christianity, even within Byzantium.

Or do i misunderstood?

Orthodoxy is simply a schismatic part of the Catholic Church.

 

[blybly]

Well, good that i have original point about Orthodox church, thanks anyway. But here is funny fact - i am 100% sure with position about Protestants - schismatics in ALL point of views, just medical fact. Same story with Orthodox, but im living with Orthodox society and yeah, kinda hard to understand that sometimes.

 

[hazcompat]

Dearest Brother blybly,

How grateful the people of G-D for Our Ukranian brothers and sisters. How glad Our hearts to hear of your steadfastness in the faith handed down by Our Divine Lord Jesus! To Him Who has begun this thing in you be the Glory for ever and ever.

Peace

 

[blybly]

Dearest Brother blybly,

How grateful the people of G-D for Our Ukranian brothers and sisters. How glad Our hearts to hear of your steadfastness in the faith handed down by Our Divine Lord Jesus! To Him Who has begun this thing in you be the Glory for ever and ever.

Peace

God Bless You Too