Catholicism and Immigration

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Bradley, I didn’t say that Irish people hadn’t committed crimes.

You said my country was formed by stealing from the poor, I pointed out this was not the case, stop twisting words to suit your own ends.
 
Self defence is the excuse but the killing is still wrong! When a bullet is headed your way, you don’t have time to discuss the Just War Theory which is only a theory, not law!
Not all killing is wrong, some can be excused.
I only attack those who have attacked my country and brought death with them. If they all got up and went home today, we could all be friend again! That the difference too! Even the punks that destroy my town are doing so because America lets them get away with it. If those same punks would be tracked down and sent to a firing squad (The way its done in Latin America) they would do the evil that they do.
Many of those ‘‘punks’’ were likely born in America and have as much right to live there as you do.
I justify removing an invading force, not an entire people. Stop twisting my words to fit YOUR HATE! If they all left my country today, I’d feel nothing but joy! If we had an immigration policy that prevented countries from immigrating more than their share of people, I would be even happier because a huge percent of the world’s REAL poor would start seeing justice instead of a few immigrants from Latin America who wish to hoard it all for themselves.
So you’d be happy to leave the millions of legal Latin American immigrants and the many many American citizens with Latin ancestry who are not criminals or gang members? OK fair enough. Also, what exactly is it that I hate?
You are only defending one race of people as if they were the chosen ones. Considering that it is not happening in your neighborhood, your words are weak.
Which race is that? I’ve told you numerous times what happens in my neighbourhood and YOU went ahead and searched for BBC news reports about the increase in violent crime in Britain. Yet you still choose to dismiss it because you’re only worried about your own imaginary problems. What more do you want a photograph of me revealing my two stab wounds while sitting at the dinner table with my multi cultural group of friends? Would that give me enough street cred on this internet forum so that I could debate you?
God didn’t create a race of robots. And in many cases, the Church IS the problem.
Only when she impedes you from carrying out your hateful desires. The Church is a problem for those who hate without regret I agree.
 
Not all killing is wrong, some can be excused.
I want you to find me just one veteran who felt good about killing. If it is excused, why do they still have nightmares 50 years after the events occurred.
Many of those ‘‘punks’’ were likely born in America and have as much right to live there as you do.
Being born in America does not make anyone an American.
So you’d be happy to leave the millions of legal Latin American immigrants and the many many American citizens with Latin ancestry who are not criminals or gang members? OK fair enough. Also, what exactly is it that I hate?
These people can do whatever they want on their side of the border.
Which race is that? I’ve told you numerous times what happens in my neighbourhood and YOU went ahead and searched for BBC news reports about the increase in violent crime in Britain.
Your speaking from YOUR point of view, you do not speak for all of UK.
Yet you still choose to dismiss it because you’re only worried about your own imaginary problems.
I wanted to post photos of what your “harmless, hard working, religious holy faithful Catholics” were doing to my house but some people called presenting that evidence as racist.
What more do you want a photograph of me revealing my two stab wounds while sitting at the dinner table with my multi cultural group of friends? Would that give me enough street cred on this internet forum so that I could debate you?
First of all, why did you get stabbed by your multi cultural group? You’re making my case for me!!
Only when she impedes you from carrying out your hateful desires. The Church is a problem for those who hate without regret I agree.
The Church creates many of its own problems by keeping silent and supporting the wrong people. No one can deny that.
 
I did have a reply but thankfully you’re banned again.

As the thread starter I’d like to ask for this thread to be locked. It is not possible at the moment for the discussion to continue in a civil manner.
 
I find it ironic that one who is on such a high horse about other violating immigration policy can’t even follow the simple rules to this board.
 
I find it ironic that one who is on such a high horse about other violating immigration policy can’t even follow the simple rules to this board.
Well, that was his 4th identity on here. What does that tell ya? 🙂
 
Is it only four? I’m sure there was a fifth. Spiker or something?
I don’t know, brother. Could have been. It was hard keeping up with them 😉 It’s not hard to tell who he is - LOL. So, if he turns up again, we’ll know.
 
I was reading these threads and got to wondering. I don’t have facts, figures or links because, as far as I know, none of these have been tried. So, I’ll just throw these thoughts out here for your amusement.
  1. What if some of President Obama’s infrastructure work/money was used to build some of the fence I hear about? He wants to use tax money to put people to work rebuilding our infrastructure. Couldn’t some part of the fence be included in this plan?
  2. In our courts today it seems to be fairly routine to tack on ‘fees’ on top of original ‘fines’. ‘Court costs’ and ‘victim compensation’ are two common ones, I hear. If an individual were caught, tried and convicted of being here illegally, couldn’t they be fined and ‘fee-ed’ (?) as well as deported? Might this not defray some of the upfront costs of mass deportation?
  3. Could such an individual also be sentenced to short term hard labor? Building some part of this fence? (I actually got this idea from some of my illegally accessed Mexican friends. They like to joke that the fence will never be built because the Mexicans won’t build it for us.Yes, that strikes me as funny.)
 
  1. What about asset forfeiture? Might that not defray some costs?
    5) Has the USA ever taken this problem to the UN? Might an economic embargo help our cause? Or would it just disrupt our 3rd largest oil sources?
    6) My (illegal) Mexican friends like the idea of being annexed to the USA. They want the jobs rebuilding the infrastructure in their own home towns.
 
  1. Could such an individual also be sentenced to short term hard labor? Building some part of this fence?
I love this suggestion and given that so many illegals are in construction they clearly have the skills to do it.

Ender
 
I love this suggestion and given that so many illegals are in construction they clearly have the skills to do it.

Ender
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ILLEGAL PERSON.

There are undocumented people who entered the country, not illegal people.
 
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ILLEGAL PERSON.

There are undocumented people who entered the country, not illegal people.
Your word games illustrate one aspect of the struggle that too often goes unremarked: the battle over nomenclature. Too few people really understand what the debate is about; it is after all a complicated subject and the side that can claim the words that control the connotations often win the argument without having to provide any rationale, simply by sounding more reasonable. Take the opposition to “illegal” and the preference for “undocumented.” The latter sounds much more benign, like forgetting where you left your passport or voter ID card. The former sounds so much more … well, descriptive of the actual situation.

Thanks anyway, but I’ll continue to use “illegals.”

Ender
 
Your word games illustrate one aspect of the struggle that too often goes unremarked: the battle over nomenclature. Too few people really understand what the debate is about; it is after all a complicated subject and the side that can claim the words that control the connotations often win the argument without having to provide any rationale, simply by sounding more reasonable. Take the opposition to “illegal” and the preference for “undocumented.” The latter sounds much more benign, like forgetting where you left your passport or voter ID card. The former sounds so much more … well, descriptive of the actual situation.

Thanks anyway, but I’ll continue to use “illegals.”

Ender
A person cannot be illegal, an act can be illegal.
 
Vatican website indicates in immigration one should not break the law. Illegal immigrants are breaking the law. Pure and simple. My family had a hard time becomming citizens of this fine country. They did it the lawful way. It took time and they obeyed our country’s laws.
 
They can’t. Criminal would be more accurate, but that also is harsher, as it lumps them together with more violent criminals.
This illustrates my point. If the proper term is criminal what is the objection to using it? It is precisely that it presents illegals in such a way as to minimize sympathy for their situation when the objective of many is to maximize the sympathy. This is the attractiveness of the benign phrase “undocumented people.”

In fact they are criminals by the natural definition and use of words. A criminal is one who has committed a crime. A crime is the commission of an act forbidden by - and punishable by - law. The fact that the term illegal aliens is typically the harshest phrase in use illustrates the slow creep of euphemistic distortion. This is precisely why people who favor the legalization of abortion call themselves pro-choice; it sounds so much more reasonable than pro-abortion.

Ender
 
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