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iowastate
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The Koran doesn’t limit Muslims to 4 wives as is widely believed, but sets no real limit.
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Funky_Cedars
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glory be Jesus Christ!
fatuma, thanks for providing a list of rights that muslim women have on behalf of faith101. tho, faith101 had indicated she enjoys rights which ‘american women’ don’t. now, i’ll grant that in the us, money printed by the govt belongs to the govt, so #8 might be argued as not applicable (unless countries under islamic law also have taxes). but there is no gender distiction in the tax code. ‘taxpayer’ is a neutral term, so this lack of right applies to men as well as women.
on the other hand, the remaining rights sound like ones which are also applicable to today’s ‘american women’.
i might also suggest that the taliban were of the understanding that they were actually following the law to the letter. however, i’m not real familiar with their thinking so it would only be a suggestion.
anywho, thanks for listening, t
fatuma, thanks for providing a list of rights that muslim women have on behalf of faith101. tho, faith101 had indicated she enjoys rights which ‘american women’ don’t. now, i’ll grant that in the us, money printed by the govt belongs to the govt, so #8 might be argued as not applicable (unless countries under islamic law also have taxes). but there is no gender distiction in the tax code. ‘taxpayer’ is a neutral term, so this lack of right applies to men as well as women.
on the other hand, the remaining rights sound like ones which are also applicable to today’s ‘american women’.
i might also suggest that the taliban were of the understanding that they were actually following the law to the letter. however, i’m not real familiar with their thinking so it would only be a suggestion.
anywho, thanks for listening, t
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RyanL
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Funky Cedars:
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Does that mean that the U.S. is actually the only “true Muslim” country?!? :bigyikes:
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Funky_Cedars
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glory be Jesus Christ!
fatuma, regarding voting…there are counties which i would think are considered ‘muslim’ (saudi arabia and uae) that do not allow women to vote. so can that really be considered a right of ‘muslim woman’? or would you say these fall into the same category as taliban afganistan (not properly according the rights of people as deliniated in Qur’an?
and do you know why some spell it Qur’an and others Qu’ran?
thanks for listening, t
fatuma, regarding voting…there are counties which i would think are considered ‘muslim’ (saudi arabia and uae) that do not allow women to vote. so can that really be considered a right of ‘muslim woman’? or would you say these fall into the same category as taliban afganistan (not properly according the rights of people as deliniated in Qur’an?
and do you know why some spell it Qur’an and others Qu’ran?
thanks for listening, t
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fatuma
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Surah Imran 3:3
“And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course.”
wa salam
“And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course.”
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fatuma
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These so called ‘muslim’ country don’t even let the men vote, what makes anybody think they will let the women vote. Islamically we are to have a system where the leaders are voted in by the majority (both men and women voting). This is one of the reasons why certain muslims are not with the mainstream. When the prophet(saw) died, the people got together and decided to vote on who the next leader was, there was a small percentage of muslims at the time that believed that the leader should be someone from the prophets family because they were some how divinely guided. The rest of the muslims decided that it was best to elect a leader and ever since then there have been conflicts.
wa salam
These so called ‘muslim’ country don’t even let the men vote, what makes anybody think they will let the women vote. Islamically we are to have a system where the leaders are voted in by the majority (both men and women voting). This is one of the reasons why certain muslims are not with the mainstream. When the prophet(saw) died, the people got together and decided to vote on who the next leader was, there was a small percentage of muslims at the time that believed that the leader should be someone from the prophets family because they were some how divinely guided. The rest of the muslims decided that it was best to elect a leader and ever since then there have been conflicts.
wa salam
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Fatuma
I would love for you to read a book that is almost one hundred years old that tells about your prophet. “The life and Religion of Mahommed The Prophet of Arabia” by Rev. J.L.Menezes. This priest work and taught the peoples of India who where Moslem. I think that it would open your eyes. I am not telling this to you to hurt your feelings only to help you to see the light. I do this out of love for all those who haven’t met the Truth and felt his loving embrace. Never met the Word and walked in his glorious light. Never knew that their God the true God died for them on a Cross so that they might live. It not that I believe that your religion doesn’t have some truth in it, but I would love for you to have the fullness.
I would love for you to read a book that is almost one hundred years old that tells about your prophet. “The life and Religion of Mahommed The Prophet of Arabia” by Rev. J.L.Menezes. This priest work and taught the peoples of India who where Moslem. I think that it would open your eyes. I am not telling this to you to hurt your feelings only to help you to see the light. I do this out of love for all those who haven’t met the Truth and felt his loving embrace. Never met the Word and walked in his glorious light. Never knew that their God the true God died for them on a Cross so that they might live. It not that I believe that your religion doesn’t have some truth in it, but I would love for you to have the fullness.
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fatuma
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I was cruising around and I found this:
theprophetmuhammad.org/morality.html
wa salam
ps. to add to post #45:
answering-christianity.com/polygamy.htm
theprophetmuhammad.org/morality.html
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ps. to add to post #45:
answering-christianity.com/polygamy.htm
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Funky_Cedars
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glory be Jesus Christ!
actually, the sufferage in saudia arabia is adult males age 21 and older. so, if i am correct in understanding your comments, this means the saudis are in violation of islamic law. which then would beg the question of why other muslims do not appear to be holding their feet to the fire over it.
you’ll also have to excuse our misunderstandings when we read things like this from rueters: today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2005-06-20T104317Z_01_N20102607_RTRIDST_0_INTERNATIONAL-KUWAIT-PARLIAMENT-WOMAN-DC.XML
which tells us that islamist ministers of parliment fought against the inclusion of a woman in kuwait’s parliment, that kuwaiti women have been stuggling to be involved politically for four decades (and could not take part in the recent municipal elections) and that it has been the us which has pressured middle eastern countries to open their systems to women.
we also have the shahrivar 1383 (september 2004) issue of bad jens badjens.com/pro-violations.html which features a protest against the violations of women’s rights in the iranian constitution.
given this information, it is difficult to see the ‘muslim world’s’ complete acceptance of, in the least, right #4 in your list.
thanks for listening, t
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Eetaq
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Funky Cedars:
I’m not going to beat around the bush here. The reason that muslims over there don’t hold their feet to the fire is because muslims have become rather cowardly as of late. You would think that the fact that a grant into the highest level of heaven is given for speaking out against a tyrant gov’t is motivation enough. Guess not.
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Hildebrand
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As author and historian, Regine Pernoud, asserts all these were the rights of women in the High Middle Ages. There were arranged proposals against the will of both the woman and the man: “One power fought against these imposed unions, and that was the Church; she increased the number of causes of nullity in canon law, never ceased to claim freedom for those who were pledged to each other and often proved rather indulgent in tolerating the rupture of those bonds.” (Regine Pernoud) I was only until the 12th century that women were to take the name of the husband. The 16th century brought about the demand for parental agreement for marriage, before then, if the man and woman wanted to marry, they could without their parents approval (still there were some consequences, as there are today, your parents can leave you out of the will).
Women did vote during the middle ages: “The vote of women was not expressly mention everywhere, but that may be cause the necessity of doing so was not obvious… Let us add that since generally the votes were cast by home, that is by household, rather than by individual… it was well understood that his (the father’s) authority was that of a manager and an administrator, not an owner (like in Roman times).” (Regine Pernoud) When Saint Louis (the king/person, not the city) ordered an inquiry into the everyday life of the people of France, you find that women during the middle ages were hairdressers, millers, merchants, etc. Women during the middle ages owned property, and were lords over men.
The problem with Europe was many “countries” (states) adopted Roman Law during the “Renaissance” and it destroyed most women’s and children’s rights; and the rulers consolidated power and took it from the local level. By the time of Napoleon (and much before his time), women were once again under the subjection of their spouse or father… under Roman Law.
I’d advise all to read: “Those Terrible Middle Ages: Debunking the Myths” by Regine Pernoud. If you call your local Borders, they can order one for you. It is around $14.00.
How many women in Islam became rulers of lands? In the Middle Ages, women could become lords and there were female rulers.
The protestant myth is the 1,000 year period of the “middle ages” was a dark period. From about 1050-1300 was one of the high points of Europe, never to be seen again.
takeninhand.com/node/434
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Hildebrand
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Islam is just another heresy of Christianity (Catholicism). IMHO, it is a branch of Arianism, which asserts Christ was not God/divine. Islam did well in Arian lands, the Arians were susceptible to the notion of Jesus being a good prophet, not God.
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steve99
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Yes, I have this book and found it a fascinating read. Well worth buying
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hlgomez
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FATUMA,
Is there a right to choose freely who to marry, not just to say no to a marriage proposal?
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fatuma
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Yes
wa salam
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