Catholicism in Japan

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I have a Japanese, Catholic friend who told me that in Japan, non Catholics can get married in the Catholic church and that priests will perform the ceremony as long as the couple attends some classes (probably premarital counseling).

I have always thought that priests would only perform a Catholic ceremony. She says it isn’t just Japanese priests who do this. She says many of their priests are from other countries, such as New Zealand and the US.

Is this also possible in the US?
 
One of my parents is non-Catholic and they are married. I am in the US.
 
Thunder, I assume that it’s a case in which neither party is Catholic.

Sam, the Neon Orange Knight
 
Thunder, I assume that it’s a case in which neither party is Catholic.

Sam, the Neon Orange Knight
Yes. I know that priests can and do perform marriages between a Catholic and non-Catholic and that the marriage is accepted by the church. However. you are right. In this instance, two non-Catholics can be married by a priest in the Catholic church.
 
I believe that the Catholic Church should only perform marriage ceremonies between two Catholics. If they are Non-Catholics what is the point of doing it in the Church?
 
Are they being married by a military chaplain? Only a Catholic Chaplain can administer the Sacraments. Often they are called to perform other services when a non-Catholic chaplain is unavailable.
I liken this to judges who are Catholic, yet acting as the Justice of the Peace when they perform civil ceremonies. The couple who are non-Catholic may not receive the Sacrament of Matrimony. Nevertheless, they celebrate their marriage as Christians. Who better to bless this marriage than a Catholic priest?
We also need to come back to the reality of Matrimony. The priest does not bestow the Sacrament on the couple. The couple bestows it on themselves. The priest is merely the witness. So in the case of two non-Catholics marrying one another, he has been chosen to act as witness to a Christian union, even if it is not Catholic.
 
DebChris, thank you for this clear answer.

Just recently I heard of a Greek Orthodox man being married in a Catholic Church to a non-baptised Budhist woman by a priest who taught the groom at his Catholic school. They didn’t have a nuptual Mass; it was all over in 20 minutes according to one of the guests. I was quite concerned about this and received a non answer to my question - should it have happened? - when I emailed the archdiocese but you have relieved my mind. 🙂
 
. . .The couple who are non-Catholic may not receive the Sacrament of Matrimony. Nevertheless, they celebrate their marriage as Christians. Who better to bless this marriage than a Catholic priest? . . .
A marriage between two baptized persons is always a sacrament. The only exception being if one is Catholic or Orthodox they must be married in the ceremony proper to their church.
 
Are they being married by a military chaplain? Only a Catholic Chaplain can administer the Sacraments. Often they are called to perform other services when a non-Catholic chaplain is unavailable.
I liken this to judges who are Catholic, yet acting as the Justice of the Peace when they perform civil ceremonies. The couple who are non-Catholic may not receive the Sacrament of Matrimony. Nevertheless, they celebrate their marriage as Christians. Who better to bless this marriage than a Catholic priest?
We also need to come back to the reality of Matrimony. The priest does not bestow the Sacrament on the couple. The couple bestows it on themselves. The priest is merely the witness. So in the case of two non-Catholics marrying one another, he has been chosen to act as witness to a Christian union, even if it is not Catholic.
I’ll have to find out if they are even Christian. Only 1% of Japanese are Catholics and I"m not sure how many are Protestant. Most are nonbelievers or Buddists. It must be that they are some Christian denomination. They are not military, so I guess I’d better investigate further. However, I didn’t realize that about stepping in for a non-Catholic chaplain. I also never even considered that non-Catholics would want a priest to marry them. Very interesting.
 
I’ll have to find out if they are even Christian. Only 1% of Japanese are Catholics and I"m not sure how many are Protestant. Most are nonbelievers or Buddists. It must be that they are some Christian denomination. They are not military, so I guess I’d better investigate further. However, I didn’t realize that about stepping in for a non-Catholic chaplain. I also never even considered that non-Catholics would want a priest to marry them. Very interesting.
I spent much of my childhood living in Japan as a military dependent. While many Japanese are Buddhist, the most common religion is Shintoism. Many Christians still remain underground due to the persecutions of the 16th century… The most well known of these martyrs was St. Paul Miki and his 26 companions crucified in 1597.
 
The couple who are non-Catholic may not receive the Sacrament of Matrimony.

This is actually not true from the standpoint of Latin Canon Law. Under certain circumstances, the marriage of two unbaptized people may well be sacramental.

We also need to come back to the reality of Matrimony. The priest does not bestow the Sacrament on the couple. The couple bestows it on themselves. The priest is merely the witness.

Not in the Eastern Catholic Churches, especially the Byzantine ones.
 
We also need to come back to the reality of Matrimony. The priest does not bestow the Sacrament on the couple. The couple bestows it on themselves. The priest is merely the witness. So in the case of two non-Catholics marrying one another, he has been chosen to act as witness to a Christian union, even if it is not Catholic.
I know what you are saying DebChris, but in case someone might be misled by the statement, I should point out that this “mere” witness is REQUIRED for the sacramental validity of the marriage.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
Dear brother bpbasilphx,
This is actually not true from the standpoint of Latin Canon Law. Under certain circumstances, the marriage of two unbaptized people may well be sacramental.
Are you sure about this? I know that a non-Christian marriage can be considered VALID, but I’ve never heard it said that it can be a Sacrament.

Well — I guess if the two unbaptized people had the FAITH, but were restricted from receiving baptism and/or having access to a priest, then you would be right. Is that the circumstance you are talking about?

Blessings
 
I have a Japanese, Catholic friend who told me that in Japan, non Catholics can get married in the Catholic church and that priests will perform the ceremony as long as the couple attends some classes (probably premarital counseling).

I have always thought that priests would only perform a Catholic ceremony. She says it isn’t just Japanese priests who do this. She says many of their priests are from other countries, such as New Zealand and the US.

Is this also possible in the US?
It is possible for non Christians to be married in a Catholic wedding at a Catholic Church by a Catholic priest in Japan. As was mentioned, pre Cana classes are required and, depending on the Church, other classes in Chrisitanity may also be required. Performing these weddings is often seen as a means of evangelization in Japan and are not without controversy. I do not know what the stastitics are, but I am aware of non Christians who have become Christian in time because their first active encounter with the faith was at their wedding. It should also be mentioned that a Christian wedding is considered very romantic in Japan, not simply because it is exotic to the Japanese imagination, but also because there is an emphasis on mutual love that is often lacking in Buddhist or Shinto ceremonies. Indeed, many companies offer faux Christian weddings complete with a fake church and a fake priest (usually a westerner who is paid handsomely for his services). This emphasis on love is also one reason Christmas midnight masses are so crowded in Japan, even though there are so few Japanese Christians. Attending midnight mass is considered a highly romantic date, usually preceeded by an expensive meal and often followed by a trip to the local “love hotel.” Another reason Christian weddings are in high demand in Japan is because the Church is so deeply involved in education. Students often approach priests who have taught them in previous years to ask them to perform their weddings or wish to be married in the Church that was associated with their school when they were younger. Whether or not offering Christian weddings as a means of evangelization is appropriate has long been a topic of debate in Japanese Christian circles, but the fees generated by such weddings are very welcomed by many churches and I can’t see the practice ending anytime soon.
 
It is possible for non Christians to be married in a Catholic wedding at a Catholic Church by a Catholic priest in Japan. As was mentioned, pre Cana classes are required and, depending on the Church, other classes in Chrisitanity may also be required. Performing these weddings is often seen as a means of evangelization in Japan and are not without controversy. I do not know what the stastitics are, but I am aware of non Christians who have become Christian in time because their first active encounter with the faith was at their wedding. It should also be mentioned that a Christian wedding is considered very romantic in Japan, not simply because it is exotic to the Japanese imagination, but also because there is an emphasis on mutual love that is often lacking in Buddhist or Shinto ceremonies. Indeed, many companies offer faux Christian weddings complete with a fake church and a fake priest (usually a westerner who is paid handsomely for his services). This emphasis on love is also one reason Christmas midnight masses are so crowded in Japan, even though there are so few Japanese Christians. Attending midnight mass is considered a highly romantic date, usually preceeded by an expensive meal and often followed by a trip to the local “love hotel.” Another reason Christian weddings are in high demand in Japan is because the Church is so deeply involved in education. Students often approach priests who have taught them in previous years to ask them to perform their weddings or wish to be married in the Church that was associated with their school when they were younger. Whether or not offering Christian weddings as a means of evangelization is appropriate has long been a topic of debate in Japanese Christian circles, but the fees generated by such weddings are very welcomed by many churches and I can’t see the practice ending anytime soon.
Thank you Tsuwano. There was a priest who taught at a boys school who would present annual assemblies at my school, teaching us about reptiles. He had a collection of poisonous snakes, and a Gila monster…
For Westerners, the Great Buddha was the tourist attraction. I was excused from class in order to go with my mother to visit the new Buddhist temple in Tokyo that was built entirely of pink marble. It was a trip with her Catholic women’s club. There was a school attached to this round temple. Of course, for Westerners, it is the Shinto wedding ceremony that appears exotic.
It is the “loving family” that led Japanese friends to ask my parents to act as sponsors as they converted to Catholicism.
It is only after my mother died that I learned that a black tray we had was made from the burned wood of a house. It was a gift from a man we helped when his house burned down.
 
It is possible for non Christians to be married in a Catholic wedding at a Catholic Church by a Catholic priest in Japan. As was mentioned, pre Cana classes are required and, depending on the Church, other classes in Chrisitanity may also be required. Performing these weddings is often seen as a means of evangelization in Japan and are not without controversy. I do not know what the stastitics are, but I am aware of non Christians who have become Christian in time because their first active encounter with the faith was at their wedding. It should also be mentioned that a Christian wedding is considered very romantic in Japan, not simply because it is exotic to the Japanese imagination, but also because there is an emphasis on mutual love that is often lacking in Buddhist or Shinto ceremonies. Indeed, many companies offer faux Christian weddings complete with a fake church and a fake priest (usually a westerner who is paid handsomely for his services). This emphasis on love is also one reason Christmas midnight masses are so crowded in Japan, even though there are so few Japanese Christians. Attending midnight mass is considered a highly romantic date, usually preceeded by an expensive meal and often followed by a trip to the local “love hotel.” Another reason Christian weddings are in high demand in Japan is because the Church is so deeply involved in education. Students often approach priests who have taught them in previous years to ask them to perform their weddings or wish to be married in the Church that was associated with their school when they were younger. Whether or not offering Christian weddings as a means of evangelization is appropriate has long been a topic of debate in Japanese Christian circles, but the fees generated by such weddings are very welcomed by many churches and I can’t see the practice ending anytime soon.
More interesting info. I do know that Christmas and the Yule log are very important and popular in Japan; many also like decorating for Christmas - of course the same can be said here in the US.

I can imagine how the fees would truly help out Catholic churches in Japan, where there are probably few parishioners.
 
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This is actually not true from the standpoint of Latin Canon Law. Under certain circumstances, the marriage of two unbaptized people may well be sacramental.
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Can. 849 Baptism, the gateway to the sacraments
Can. 1055 §1. The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life and which is ordered by its nature to the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring, has been raised by Christ the Lord to the dignity of a sacrament between the baptized.
§2. For this reason, a valid matrimonial contract cannot exist between the baptized without it being by that fact a sacrament.
No sacrament can be received by one who has not yet been Baptized.

The marriage of two unbaptized persons is a valid natural marriage, but not a sacrament.
 
Thank you Tsuwano. There was a priest who taught at a boys school who would present annual assemblies at my school, teaching us about reptiles. He had a collection of poisonous snakes, and a Gila monster…
For Westerners, the Great Buddha was the tourist attraction. I was excused from class in order to go with my mother to visit the new Buddhist temple in Tokyo that was built entirely of pink marble. It was a trip with her Catholic women’s club. There was a school attached to this round temple. Of course, for Westerners, it is the Shinto wedding ceremony that appears exotic.
It is the “loving family” that led Japanese friends to ask my parents to act as sponsors as they converted to Catholicism.
It is only after my mother died that I learned that a black tray we had was made from the burned wood of a house. It was a gift from a man we helped when his house burned down.
What a wonderful story. It just reminds me of how we are supposed to live our life as good Christians. Instead of talking about how Christ has helped us, it should show through our lives - our deeds. Perhaps that is the reason for performing those weddings in Japan. Actions do speak louder than words.

I loved seeing the mosques in Istanbul and found them to be very exotic - not enough to make me convert, however.

What an honor to be able to sponsor someone as he/she converts to Catholicism. I would think that living in Japan, that would be a REALLY huge step.
 
What a wonderful story. It just reminds me of how we are supposed to live our life as good Christians. Instead of talking about how Christ has helped us, it should show through our lives - our deeds. Perhaps that is the reason for performing those weddings in Japan. Actions do speak louder than words.

I loved seeing the mosques in Istanbul and found them to be very exotic - not enough to make me convert, however.

What an honor to be able to sponsor someone as he/she converts to Catholicism. I would think that living in Japan, that would be a REALLY huge step.
My parents never made a big deal about it. The only reason I know how many they sponsored comes from a visit with my mother. There was a televangelist on TV who asked the question, “How many people have you brought to Christ?” My mother said, “At least six.” Then she told me it was because they saw our “loving family.”
Yes, they did take pictures. It is only from reading this thread that it dawned on me that it was always couples. The family is very important in Japanese culture.
Every year, the chaplaincy in Yokohama sponsored an “adopt an orphan for a day.” There would be a picnic at this competitive swim place with pools of different sizes and depths. We always “adopted” at least two or three boys, partly because our family was already large. The idea was for the orphans to experience family life, if only for a day.
My parents also played Santa and Mrs. Claus every Christmas at an orphanage.
 
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