Catholicism, New World Order, Witchcraft and Satanism

[1AugustSon7]

Also, I don’t think we need to assume that demons are responsible for everything bad in the world. Humans are quite capable of being demonically evil, all by themselves.

Mintaka,

I truly like everything you wrote here. Very formal and reasonable; however, I have one quibble (bolded part): I don’t believe that it can be said that human beings are capable of anything truly “demonically evil.” There is a difference in both nature and power here (especially intellect): demons really are capable of greater evil than we humans and, moreover, their evil (or hate or hatred) to us is truly and completely inhuman: i.e., even evil men, since they always retain their human nature as such, are disturbed, revolted, disgusted, overwhelmed, etc., by the evil of the Evil One: it is an evil we cannot bear and it is disproportionate to our nature, which the devil absolutely hates and detests. A human being, I suppose, could feign or immitate this hatred, but he could never reach or accomplish it on the same level, as it were, or with the same force (again as it were).

Certainly, then, a human being is incapable of being as evil as a demon without, at least, the assistance* of *a demon in that effort. Consequently, we are at least not truly capable of it “all by [ourselves].” Now, if even simple human wickedness (or evil) is capable of such great horror and scandal, imagine what the demons would do if they populated the earth/coporeal world as men populate the corporeal world.

The only thing I think a human being is capable of being “more evil” in is the one thing peculiar to us: in relation to God’s grace. The demons are not offered and never had this peculiar grace (no second chance for a devil) and, therefore, cannot offend against it: we, however, can and do.

God bless!

 

[InJesusItrust]

I won’t mock you but will recommend you stay away from conspiracy theories.

I do believe that demons fool witches and anyone who dabbles in spirituality apart from Christ. Saw a Protestant plaster cast out a demon once. Also statues of Ganpathi drank milk a few years back.

 

[CopticChristian]

That is only obvious - awareness and insight.

Faith,

You are addressing me, you must be addressing me, are you addressing me…cause it appears you are addressing me…

Is “that is only obvious” suggesting that I have missed the obvious?

Are you suggesting that I lack awareness and insight since you may be implying I miss the obvious?

Cause I’m the only one here, so you must be addressing me…

 

[CopticChristian]

All I can contribute is the NWO is real. I found a few of their pamphlets at my grandpas funeral. They pretend to be Christians but I doubt it. It seems like they are trying facilitate the end times if you pay attention when reading their brochures.

edit; also - demonic activity is rampant right now for some reason. You are now more likely to die from a suicide than a car accident…

I can’t help but laugh at them - their tricks are so childish and see-through. For such an old intelligent “order” of creatures they sure are tactless.

Faith,

If what you say is true, childish, see through and tactless…why do you suggest that discussion is needed since you previously posted…the reason for discussion…

That is only obvious - awareness and insight.

are you asking me to spend my time on childish, tactless see through so I can laugh?

 

[FaithInTheLord]

Faith,

You are addressing me, you must be addressing me, are you addressing me…cause it appears you are addressing me…

Is “that is only obvious” suggesting that I have missed the obvious?

Are you suggesting that I lack awareness and insight since you may be implying I miss the obvious?

Cause I’m the only one here, so you must be addressing me…

I am implying that you did not miss the obvious and are being subtle. I just want you to come out with what you have to say!

 

[FaithInTheLord]

Faith,

If what you say is true, childish, see through and tactless…why do you suggest that discussion is needed since you previously posted…the reason for discussion…

are you asking me to spend my time on childish, tactless see through so I can laugh?

And now you said it!

I am talking tactical there.

This thread is more about their overall strategy which affects people not as enlightened as yourself.

 

[TheSeraphim]

The,

My question is what is it you hope to accomplish in this discussion and what will be the benefit of discussing it?

The mean reason I’m doing it is the discovery of the reality of soul-ties. You bind yourself to your relation partner spiritually and if your partner is not of God (aka living a life of sin) you are essentially suffering the torments that a demon is sending her without your cause.

Similarly, there are a lot of “suffering” people who I try to be charitable with. Then I am trapped into playing this game:
“- Since I smile at you, I am leading you on to be my friend. We don’t really have anything in common but I’ll be nice to you anyway.”

This person sticks around into my life. I feel almost obliged to invite him/her to all of my events and activities. I am almost careful to whatever action I do, or the words I say. I feel caged just being around this person. This is not freedom and love. The person becomes dependent on me and if I break that friendship it becomes my fault. Suddenly my conscience haunts me for no reason. I feel this torment.

I established a soul-tie by having an unspoken friendship. In their eyes, I am their savior - their idol. Because I am nice to them they are expecting me to be consistent. Others have betrayed them in the past and used them for their gain. They expect me to “always be there for them” and also expect me to “one day leave them as everyone has”.

This binds me in a soul-tie where I feel the need (a uncontrollable force) to always pay attention to them to the point of neglecting some of my duties.

The way out of this is to be completely honest. When a person asks you “Let’s hangout tonight at this bar.” You don’t say “i’m busy tonight.” By saying that you are implying that tonight is not working and that another night might. This will give you anxiety and remove your freedom of will. Because the next time you are asked the same question, you are obliged to say “yes” and neglect your duties because you will feel guilty of the thought “you said no last time, if you say no again this time they will think you are using them.”

Rather, I should’ve said “I am not interested in hanging out with you at the bar and I’m also busy tonight. What are some other things that you do?” or be completely honest and say “I have a lot in my plate at this moment and have been neglecting my friends. If I find freetime I must catchup with them first but next month maybe you can hang out.”

This removes all rights the enemy has and breaks any ties.

 

[FaithInTheLord]

The mean reason I’m doing it is the discovery of the reality of soul-ties. You bind yourself to your relation partner spiritually and if your partner is not of God (aka living a life of sin) you are essentially suffering the torments that a demon is sending her without your cause.

Similarly, there are a lot of “suffering” people who I try to be charitable with. Then I am trapped into playing this game:
“- Since I smile at you, I am leading you on to be my friend. We don’t really have anything in common but I’ll be nice to you anyway.”

This person sticks around into my life. I feel almost obliged to invite him/her to all of my events and activities. I am almost careful to whatever action I do, or the words I say. I feel caged just being around this person. This is not freedom and love. The person becomes dependent on me and if I break that friendship it becomes my fault. Suddenly my conscience haunts me for no reason. I feel this torment.

I established a soul-tie by having an unspoken friendship. In their eyes, I am their savior - their idol. Because I am nice to them they are expecting me to be consistent. Others have betrayed them in the past and used them for their gain. They expect me to “always be there for them” and also expect me to “one day leave them as everyone has”.

This binds me in a soul-tie where I feel the need (a uncontrollable force) to always pay attention to them to the point of neglecting some of my duties.

The way out of this is to be completely honest. When a person asks you “Let’s hangout tonight at this bar.” You don’t say “i’m busy tonight.” By saying that you are implying that tonight is not working and that another night might. This will give you anxiety and remove your freedom of will. Because the next time you are asked the same question, you are obliged to say “yes” and neglect your duties because you will feel guilty of the thought “you said no last time, if you say no again this time they will think you are using them.”

Rather, I should’ve said “I am not interested in hanging out with you at the bar and I’m also busy tonight. What are some other things that you do?” or be completely honest and say “I have a lot in my plate at this moment and have been neglecting my friends. If I find freetime I must catchup with them first but next month maybe you can hang out.”

This removes all rights the enemy has and breaks any ties.

Why do you believe nwo witchcraft or satanism are involved? Do you think those things are the only sources of demons?

Sorry I could be hearing you wrong.

 

[TheSeraphim]

I believe I have a lot of questions but you have so much packed into your first post and after reading the first two I am already finding the second one to contradict the first so I am really lost as to how to even address everything you have in your post so I thought I would try starting small and maybe growing up to everything you have in it.
Please bear with me…

*I am not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that a warm presence is experienced by the spectator when he hears the words from the religious who is evangelizing? And is the spectator only to believe the religious if they feel this warm presence?
To me, the spectator, the religious have and do say things to me that I know are Truth and words that come from the Holy Spirit whether or not I get a warm presence from the religious.

Also the only fear that I know that causes me anxiety is a cold fear. The kind that makes your blood run could.
The awesome fear and trembling I get in knowing God’s Love fills me with a warmth. So are you saying that this is a mimicking Spirit and the Holy Spirit would never let me know a warm and loving God and this warm love I have for God does not come form the Holy Spirit but from a mimicking spirit?

I hope that is a good place to start.

Also the only group I hope and pray i belong to is Catholicism…but I am not well educated enough in it to know for sure…In the other three I have never taken the time to explore or get to know about it. All i know about it is through others form them talking about it or reading snap shots about it here and there…*.

Not at all! By the way I’m no guru in this subject so I do apologize if I’m sounding like I know everything. Hence I’m asking the question.

One shouldn’t based their decisions on emotions. Because the fallen angel Lucifer mimics everything God does with a surprising good accuracy. But his “warmth” Holy Spirit mimic is warm but not quite sweet. It doesn’t subdue you with peace. It gives a temporary peace like your drinking coffee in the morning or if your jogging. But this is a corporal feeling. You will usually say “wow I am so blessed to hear from God” at best. He will leave you excited, zealous, compulsive on the positive extreme. So you do all these great works thinking it’s from God but behind that is a mask of pride.

God’s spirit is sweet, loving and peaceful. It’s not the feeling of infatuation. It’s like time stays still. You will never experience this feeling on this earth.

There are people who have this charism of evangelization through the Holy Spirit (Jesus (who is God and man) , St. Joan of Arc, St. Paul) in which they somehow attract masses of people to listen to their words. The reason the people listen is because the words of God will give you peace and consolation. His timing is perfect and what you need to hear at that moment. The confirmation of the words matches the feeling of peace, satisfies the intellect and strives for you to be closer to Jesus as you reduce more of yourself.

An example is saying “You will go to hell if you keep committing adultery” to a faithful Catholic trying to be good versus a secular man / woman who indulges himself with this pleasure. The Catholic will try to repent with conviction while the man/woman will simply rebel and turn their head.

You may or may not be aware consciously that what you are feeling within your heart is a warmth. This is not a judgement you should do to discern the Holy Spirit. I do know for a fact that we can attest that some people are more influential than others. A simple word or phrase they say sticks into your mind. They influence you to change your ways in one way or another. The spirit of God is confirmed in the future through a subdued peace and love for Jesus. The spirit not of God is confirmed in the future through more anxiety.

I’ve spoken to many people who give a lot of very insightful advice. Those with the gift of evangelization of the Holy Spirit are the ones that leave me in peace. Those with strong influence does not leave me in peace. In the present moment of experiencing the two different evangelization tactics, the Holy Spirit is always warm and never cold.

And if you are aware of the spirit (discerning of spirits) you will distinguish that the spirit of God is warm and the lack of His spirit is cold. The only way something is of God is through this Holy Spirit. Without this confirmation, the words given to you are simply spoken by man. Intellectual learn. This is not to say that it’s false - that God is not present. It’s just saying that the Holy Spirit did not guide the words. I can parrot and repeat quotes and verses from the bible and “preach” and “evangelize”. I’m not going to convert many because of the lack of this charism. Corporal vs supernatural.

To clarify, I’m merely saying that if you feel this peace within you and recognize that it’s a sweet warmth, you are blessed to feel the presence of God. It’s a gift - God speaking directly to you and knowing that God is. If not, then maybe God did not need to guide you. You are more blessed being blinded and believing. “Blessed are they who believe yet do not see”

 

[TheSeraphim]

All right… let me see if I understand what the original poster was saying.

1. Original poster claims to have special sensitivity to the emotions of others. Poster thinks this is either psychic or charismatic in nature. (Of course, poster could just be a sensitive, observant, intuitive sort of person; or the poster could be mistaken. Neither we nor the poster have any proof about this.)
2. Poster has noticed that some people are believable and sincere and preach the truth, while other people are lying jerks with a creepy personality. (I don’t think anybody will argue this one!) Similarly, the poster notices that some thoughts and ideas are truthful and consistent with the Gospel, while others are lies. (Again, obviously true.)
3. Poster then breaks into the “demons control everybody bad” and “lizard-men live among us” stuff, as an explanation of why there are tares sprouting among the wheat.

#3 is where the poster loses me.

Obviously, there are such things as demons, and giving yourself over to evil probably includes letting demons play with your head. But lizardmen? No.

Also, I don’t think we need to assume that demons are responsible for everything bad in the world. Humans are quite capable of being demonically evil, all by themselves.

There have always been tares among the wheat, and there always will be, until the Last Judgment cleans the tares out of the world.

The poster is obviously interested in “discernment of spirits.” Very good! I recommend St. Ignatius of Loyola on this topic (his two sets of “Rules for Discernment” in the Spiritual Exercises) as well as St. John of the Cross (particularly his book The Ascent of Mount Carmel). The Catholic Encyclopedia has recommendations also.

1. I have no supernal gifts. I am very observant yes. You are right I have no proof. I am no guru in this matter.
2. I’m basically saying that if A is true and B is true then is C true? Aka if empaths are real, New World Order is real then is the claim that lizard men live among us?

Thank you! I will read that.

 

[WhatItSays]

I don’t think the original post actually hits on the truth of the matter. I don’t think anyone here wants to admit the truth of the matter, though undoubtedly millions of Catholics are quite aware of the truth.

The New World Order. Novus Ordo Seclorum. He is nodding at the beginning of the new order of the ages. Let’s call it a conspiracy of the Illuminist Masonic lodges as exemplified by the layout of Washington DC, the vast number of Masons in the CIA, Secret Society membership of our presidents and all that conspiratorial stuff. It is forbidden for a Catholic to join a Masonic lodge, but how much more an “Illuminati”-based lodge (not all Masonic lodges are in on the grand scheme as stated by Albert Pike, Manley Hall, Arthur Waite, etc…)

Who are the Illuminati? Let’s keep it simple. They are a branch of Masonry started in 1776 by Jesuit-trained Adam Weishaupt for the ultimate goal of overthrowing “organized” religion and enthroning it with humanism. What was the ultimate emblem of organized religion? The Roman Catholic Church and the Papacy. The goal of the Illuminati is to place a humanist into the office of the Papacy in order to overthrow all the religions of the world by uniting them in the name of man. How would they do that? From within.

Who would want revenge against the Papacy in 1776? The leaders of the powerful Catholic organization that was officially “suppressed” in 1773 by Pope Clement XIV. Read up on the history of the Jesuit order. They had gotten too big for the Popes to control and they were causing consternation with the heads of state around Europe. There is evidence that much of the Jesuit order was not even concerned with Christianity anymore, but with the exercise of power. Thus, from the beginning, Adam Weishaupt was already using the Masons as a “front” for the Illuminati which had originated within the realm of the Jesuits, and the “Alumbrados” of Spain.

The ultimate end of the New World Order is a humanist (Satanic) Pope working with the Antichrist to unite the world before the return of Christ. There are too many loose ends to cover in one post, but the key points of reference involve The Club of Rome, the ecumenism of Vatican II, the even more expansive ecumenism of Pope John Paul II, the Enthronement of Lucifer in June of 1963 as described by Malachi Martin, the twisted staff on the cover of “A Windswept House” used by every Pope since John XXIII, Satanic Ritual Abuse by some Catholic clergy, the prophecy of Saint Malachy about Petrus Romanus, the Third Secret of Fatima, and so many more areas of study.

As far as the occultism and New Age-ism described in the OP, I don’t quite see how that relates to Catholicism other than that some of these forces are quite real.

 

[TheSeraphim]

Because Satan is absolutely convinced that he can dethrone God and take His place. Such is his pride and arrogance.

In addition to this he is blinded by hate to a degree that is humanly unimaginable. People do not necessarily make wise decisions or act in their own best interests when consumed by hatred. The same is true for Satan. So intense is his malice, so furious is his rage at all that is good, beautiful, pure and true and so bent is he on destruction of all that God created - for God saw that it was good - that he cannot restrain himself. He literally hates God and humanity with every “fibre” of his being. His very essence is HATE.

This is the paradox. Were Satan to achieve his aim and destroy all of creation, that includes every last man, woman and child on earth, his raison d’etre would cease to exist. He would become “unemployed”. But no matter and we cannot comprehend; such is his utterly perverted, twisted, evil nature that he is Hell bent on doing so.

Let’s acknowledge that Lucifer is the most intellectual and the height of creation God has ever created. He is second to God. There is a contradiction to Lucifer being incredibly intelligent and his miscalculation that he thought he was able to defeat God.

I tell you know. He is worst than that.

He did not make this error of thinking he could defeat God. In his mind, because he did not get his way, the only way to get back at God is to take 1/3 of Heaven (fallen angels turning away from God) from Him and corrupt His image of Adam and Eve and pleasure in the torments of humanity as God sends Jesus, Mary and His loved ones. We hurt Jesus and Mary everytime we sin and it is they - the divine - who takes upon this pain in order to salvage us.

In other words - If you cannot kill the said covert operative - you kill their family. They know their time is near - but they bring down people with them. This is their victory. Even if they cannot rejoice.

See how twisted / sick the fallen angels work?

Remember that angels/spirits do not have emotions. They are purely intellectual. We can’t compare angels and humans. Angels make decisions that are infallible. Because their decisions are eternal - not the present moment as humans experiences it. Angels cannot be “blinded” because they are angry.

Yes angels are indeed blinded by the grace of God. Remember that fallen angels have their destiny sealed. Rather than trying to think that fallen angels are trying to win the battle here on earth - know that the victory of Christ’s death on the cross has purchased the salvation of man. The fallen angels are sent by God into this earth to test souls. The fallen angels are deprived of God’s love that the only love they get is the love of hurting God - tormenting.

So by fallen angels being blinded - it just means that if they cause Paul to commit adultery it would cause his wife Kristen to kill him. God blesses this act by allowing Kristen to forgive Paul and Paul sees the mercy of God through Kristen and converts and stops his unholy acts. The fallen angel is blinded by this grace and continues to push Paul to commit this adultery.

Angels work in a medium of illumination. Knowledge. All five senses and even more (the past and the present and the future). It would be like me talking to you and you will see, hear, taste, touch and smell the content I’m trying to describe you with words. Fallen angels aren’t trying to defeat God, that would be ridiculous. As a Christian it’s important to embrace and remember the comparison between God and Lucifer is like a Sun compared to an atom. Fallen angels are not trying to defeat God - they are trying to hurt God by bringing down His people.

The victory of God is apparent nonetheless. God just wanted to save more of His people that did not deserve the hell.

 

[TheSeraphim]

Why do you believe nwo witchcraft or satanism are involved? Do you think those things are the only sources of demons?

Sorry I could be hearing you wrong.

I did not believe in NWO to begin with as I’ve been told that it’s fake. But if soul-ties are real then empaths must be real. This means that if empaths are real then the NWO is not fake. Which means that there are lizard men living among us?

 

[TheSeraphim]

I don’t think the original post actually hits on the truth of the matter. I don’t think anyone here wants to admit the truth of the matter, though undoubtedly millions of Catholics are quite aware of the truth.

The New World Order. Novus Ordo Seclorum. He is nodding at the beginning of the new order of the ages. Let’s call it a conspiracy of the Illuminist Masonic lodges as exemplified by the layout of Washington DC, the vast number of Masons in the CIA, Secret Society membership of our presidents and all that conspiratorial stuff. It is forbidden for a Catholic to join a Masonic lodge, but how much more an “Illuminati”-based lodge (not all Masonic lodges are in on the grand scheme as stated by Albert Pike, Manley Hall, Arthur Waite, etc…)

Who are the Illuminati? Let’s keep it simple. They are a branch of Masonry started in 1776 by Jesuit-trained Adam Weishaupt for the ultimate goal of overthrowing “organized” religion and enthroning it with humanism. What was the ultimate emblem of organized religion? The Roman Catholic Church and the Papacy. The goal of the Illuminati is to place a humanist into the office of the Papacy in order to overthrow all the religions of the world by uniting them in the name of man. How would they do that? From within.

Who would want revenge against the Papacy in 1776? The leaders of the powerful Catholic organization that was officially “suppressed” in 1773 by Pope Clement XIV. Read up on the history of the Jesuit order. They had gotten too big for the Popes to control and they were causing consternation with the heads of state around Europe. There is evidence that much of the Jesuit order was not even concerned with Christianity anymore, but with the exercise of power. Thus, from the beginning, Adam Weishaupt was already using the Masons as a “front” for the Illuminati which had originated within the realm of the Jesuits, and the “Alumbrados” of Spain.

The ultimate end of the New World Order is a humanist (Satanic) Pope working with the Antichrist to unite the world before the return of Christ. There are too many loose ends to cover in one post, but the key points of reference involve The Club of Rome, the ecumenism of Vatican II, the even more expansive ecumenism of Pope John Paul II, the Enthronement of Lucifer in June of 1963 as described by Malachi Martin, the twisted staff on the cover of “A Windswept House” used by every Pope since John XXIII, Satanic Ritual Abuse by some Catholic clergy, the prophecy of Saint Malachy about Petrus Romanus, the Third Secret of Fatima, and so many more areas of study.

As far as the occultism and New Age-ism described in the OP, I don’t quite see how that relates to Catholicism other than that some of these forces are quite real.

More details on Satanic Ritual Abuse by Catholic clergy please. What are some ways to spot this?

 

[FaithInTheLord]

I did not believe in NWO to begin with as I’ve been told that it’s fake. But if soul-ties are real then empaths must be real. This means that if empaths are real then the NWO is not fake. Which means that there are lizard men living among us?

What is certain is that there are groups - IDK how powerful they actually are - pushing for a new world order under one government and one currency.

Whether or not they believe that lizard men exist I have absolutely no idea but I kind of doubt it… Regardless even if they did believe that and they are real that does not make lizard men real!! lol.

 

[CopticChristian]

And now you said it!

I am talking tactical there.

This thread is more about their overall strategy which affects people not as enlightened as yourself.

Faith,

Nirvana, Samadhi, enlightened? Me?

 

[CopticChristian]

The mean reason I’m doing it is the discovery of the reality of soul-ties. You bind yourself to your relation partner spiritually and if your partner is not of God (aka living a life of sin) you are essentially suffering the torments that a demon is sending her without your cause.

Similarly, there are a lot of “suffering” people who I try to be charitable with. Then I am trapped into playing this game:
“- Since I smile at you, I am leading you on to be my friend. We don’t really have anything in common but I’ll be nice to you anyway.”

This person sticks around into my life. I feel almost obliged to invite him/her to all of my events and activities. I am almost careful to whatever action I do, or the words I say. I feel caged just being around this person. This is not freedom and love. The person becomes dependent on me and if I break that friendship it becomes my fault. Suddenly my conscience haunts me for no reason. I feel this torment.

I established a soul-tie by having an unspoken friendship. In their eyes, I am their savior - their idol. Because I am nice to them they are expecting me to be consistent. Others have betrayed them in the past and used them for their gain. They expect me to “always be there for them” and also expect me to “one day leave them as everyone has”.

This binds me in a soul-tie where I feel the need (a uncontrollable force) to always pay attention to them to the point of neglecting some of my duties.

The way out of this is to be completely honest. When a person asks you “Let’s hangout tonight at this bar.” You don’t say “i’m busy tonight.” By saying that you are implying that tonight is not working and that another night might. This will give you anxiety and remove your freedom of will. Because the next time you are asked the same question, you are obliged to say “yes” and neglect your duties because you will feel guilty of the thought “you said no last time, if you say no again this time they will think you are using them.”

Rather, I should’ve said “I am not interested in hanging out with you at the bar and I’m also busy tonight. What are some other things that you do?” or be completely honest and say “I have a lot in my plate at this moment and have been neglecting my friends. If I find freetime I must catchup with them first but next month maybe you can hang out.”

This removes all rights the enemy has and breaks any ties.

The,

This sounds dysfunctional. The solution? Open, Honest, Direct Communication and saying what you mean and meaning what you say.

 

[simple_soul]

Not at all! By the way I’m no guru in this subject so I do apologize if I’m sounding like I know everything. Hence I’m asking the question.

One shouldn’t based their decisions on emotions. Because the fallen angel Lucifer mimics everything God does with a surprising good accuracy. But his “warmth” Holy Spirit mimic is warm but not quite sweet. It doesn’t subdue you with peace. It gives a temporary peace like your drinking coffee in the morning or if your jogging. But this is a corporal feeling. You will usually say “wow I am so blessed to hear from God” at best. He will leave you excited, zealous, compulsive on the positive extreme. So you do all these great works thinking it’s from God but behind that is a mask of pride.

God’s spirit is sweet, loving and peaceful. It’s not the feeling of infatuation. It’s like time stays still. You will never experience this feeling on this earth.

There are people who have this charism of evangelization through the Holy Spirit (Jesus (who is God and man) , St. Joan of Arc, St. Paul) in which they somehow attract masses of people to listen to their words. The reason the people listen is because the words of God will give you peace and consolation. His timing is perfect and what you need to hear at that moment. The confirmation of the words matches the feeling of peace, satisfies the intellect and strives for you to be closer to Jesus as you reduce more of yourself.

An example is saying “You will go to hell if you keep committing adultery” to a faithful Catholic trying to be good versus a secular man / woman who indulges himself with this pleasure. The Catholic will try to repent with conviction while the man/woman will simply rebel and turn their head.

You may or may not be aware consciously that what you are feeling within your heart is a warmth. This is not a judgement you should do to discern the Holy Spirit. I do know for a fact that we can attest that some people are more influential than others. A simple word or phrase they say sticks into your mind. They influence you to change your ways in one way or another. The spirit of God is confirmed in the future through a subdued peace and love for Jesus. The spirit not of God is confirmed in the future through more anxiety.

I’ve spoken to many people who give a lot of very insightful advice. Those with the gift of evangelization of the Holy Spirit are the ones that leave me in peace. Those with strong influence does not leave me in peace. In the present moment of experiencing the two different evangelization tactics, the Holy Spirit is always warm and never cold.

And if you are aware of the spirit (discerning of spirits) you will distinguish that the spirit of God is warm and the lack of His spirit is cold. The only way something is of God is through this Holy Spirit. Without this confirmation, the words given to you are simply spoken by man. Intellectual learn. This is not to say that it’s false - that God is not present. It’s just saying that the Holy Spirit did not guide the words. I can parrot and repeat quotes and verses from the bible and “preach” and “evangelize”. I’m not going to convert many because of the lack of this charism. Corporal vs supernatural.

To clarify, I’m merely saying that if you feel this peace within you and recognize that it’s a sweet warmth, you are blessed to feel the presence of God. It’s a gift - God speaking directly to you and knowing that God is. If not, then maybe God did not need to guide you. You are more blessed being blinded and believing. “Blessed are they who believe yet do not see”

Thank you for taking the time to explain this more clearly. I believe I understand much better what you were saying…

 

[simple_soul]

*This has been an interesting thread so far…and even though I know only bits and pieces of what everyone is talking about (I have never even heard of lizard men until this thread) and can not really talk or address much of what you are all saying but I do have my own understanding of how I see things so I thought I would share and maybe you all could help me sort out my opinion or belief on these things and what I believe I am seeing…

I used to hate, hate, hate watching politics. It would make me sick to see how people are always played for a vote…I swore that the Democratic and Republican parties were actually on the same side and they were all out to enslave us…they just made it look like they did not agree about things…

I have also heard stories of the “world leaders” and not the ones you see in the public eye…no…I am talking about men and maybe even some woman whom you never see who meet every year, and they come from all over the world, and discuss how to run the world. I remember how Presedent Obama was after the election and he met with Presedent Bush behind closed doors. He was a very different man. It is like they are the commanders above the commander in chief. They are the ones who can manipulate and control the economy. They are the ones who have fine tuned their psychic abilities to the point that they can read the masses of people. They can read and understand where people are and what they need to say to people to lead them along a path without the people even knowing they are actually being lead…

It petrified me at first that I had no control over any of this and it used to make me sick as I would watch people just swallow what they were being feed even if it would kill them or enslave them forever…

I am not sure when I started to see things differently. I believe it started durring the last election and grew over the last four years…

Now my perspective has changed…I do not see the Democrats and Republicans working to destroy us any more…I actually see them trying to help us now to be a better and more Godly people…I also see those people, the ones who are above the commander in chief, as being the master minds of trying to get us on this path also…

Yes I believe we are still being led for the most part but I am not so afraid any more about it being that all the powers that be are out to destroy us…I see it more like they are trying to lead all mankind into the fullness of God’s Truths. It’s just that there are so many of us on so many different levels of understanding of God’s Truths that it makes it hard to do and very complicated…and because we people are so lazy in educating ourselves and thinking for our selves and our passions like greed, lust and power always get in the way. Our passions makes it even harder for them to get us to see…we spend so much time and energy on conspiracy theories and trying to prove each other wrong about things that we seem to never be able to get our heads out of the water to breath the fresh air they are trying to give us…it is a very dark place to be…and we do not grow in God’s Truths when we are rooted in that dark hole…

The biggest thing that gets in the way is our own faults…our own passions…greed, lust, power, this also comes through the media…but for some reason these people never give up hope on us…they keep trying to get us to wake up…it does not have anything to do with the “powerful lizard men or enlightened people.” It has to do with us. Every single one of us…we have to stop looking at the world as being one great big conspiracy and try to start trusting in God’s Divine providence more…

Yes there are those who are more enlightened than we are and who understand God’s Truths more deeply. I knew a while back that there was a good chance Mitt Romney would not win, but I voted for him anyway…what they did during their campaign did nothing but plant seeds into millions of peoples minds God’s Truths about the Dignity of life and how every life was sacred. They did nothing but add to and build upon what the Democrats have been trying to get people to understand about having compassion and trying to get people to lend a helping hand more. They gave the reason why we should be helping each other and respecting each other and having more compashion and love for each other.

For the first time since watching poultices I have come away from this election with great hope for our future…It is like a both parties are working together to try and get us to be a more compassionate and caring Nation. A Nation that cares about all people and the reason why we should be. Because of the dignity that our Creator bestowed upon us by making us in His image and likeness…and that is sacred…

But we are so blinded my our 'conspiracy theories and our own lust for power and control of proving to our neighbor that we are right, we loose the beautiful sight of seeing God at work trying to get us to be a Godly people…not just as a nation, but on a global scale …This is what I see happening and unfolding it is up to us if we are going to help or hinder it…I can see that we get in the way of us living in Love and Truth more than the politicians do…because we are so bent on always being right about everything…that it blinds us from seeing what is right about our neighbor…it is like we are so blinded that all we can see is how evil or wrong someone is…
What is it that blinds us…hate…what is it that opens our eyes…love…so if we have no love it does not matter how “right” we are about something it will always keep us from becoming the Godly people were are called to be and so we will always be enslaved but it is not some great big lizard men or enlightened men that are enslaving us…we truly are our own worse enemy…*

 

[simple_soul]

*Sorry if my post does not make any sense…just kind of rambled here…take it for what it is just my rambling thoughts…on what I see…going on around me…take it with a grain of salt…but I have great hope because I see mankind growing as a whole in God’s Truths and Love for all mankind…This gives me a whole new perspective and deeper understanding of what Jesus said when He said: “I will make you fishers of men.”

The only thing I see holding us back is each one of us individually. Some of us more so than others. It all depends on how wrapped up we are and how blinded we are or how under the control or under the influence we are with our own demons…*