Catholicism = One, True Faith?

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I have a question about our faith that has really been a problem for me for a very long time and haven’t found anyone or anything that could answer it. We, as Catholics, believe the Bible to be the word of God and that Christianity (and more specifically, Catholicism) is the ONE TRUE religion… but other religions do not. There are so many religions out there, such as Budishm, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc that have totally different beliefs than Christians. Basically, how do we know we got “it” right? I believe we did, but a Hindu or Budhist would totally disagree. How do Christianity’s Truths counteract/disprove other religion’s perceived truths? A Hindu would say Christians got “it” wrong just as fast as I would say Hinduism is not true. I mean no disrespect and I am not trying to doubt this is just something that I really don’t understand. In this situation I can’t seem to put the pieces together.

And sorry if the philosophy forum wasn’t the best place for this question, but I couldn’t think of any place else. But from what I’ve seen there are plenty of intelligent and knowledgeable Catholics posting here 🙂 Figured this would be the best place to ask
 
We are the oldest church establishment and we are the biggest religion in the world.We have over a billion members in the church but most importantly you must have FAITH that the Catholic Church is the one true faith.
Peace Brother you are in my prayers:)

Love and pray for your enemies and those who persecute you
 
We are the oldest church establishment and we are the biggest religion in the world.We have over a billion members in the church but most importantly you must have FAITH that the Catholic Church is the one true faith.
Peace Brother you are in my prayers:)

Love and pray for your enemies and those who persecute you
i definitely have faith that Catholicism is true. but i don’t think that just because a lot of people are members of the Church doesn’t give it any more validity. these days it seems like everyone and their mom is an atheist… that doesn’t make it any more true either.

as far as it being really old… i guess that’s a valid argument. with all the persecution and heresy and all the people that have hated the Catholic Church throughout the ages, you’d have to figure that the Church must be divinely inspired to still be around now.

are there any more theories/arguments?
 
I see it like this - every religion thinks they’ve got God right (or at least *more *right), and we are no exception.

It’s sad that up until relatively recently Catholicism considered any deviation in doctrine to result in Hellfire and Brimstone, but then others have thought the same of us, and in general.

One of the main strengths I see in Catholicism is an unwillingness to bend to fairly arbitrary secular pressure in the way other faiths sometimes do… of course, you could also consider that a weakness! :whacky:
 
I see it like this - every religion thinks they’ve got God right (or at least *more *right), and we are no exception.

It’s sad that up until relatively recently Catholicism considered any deviation in doctrine to result in Hellfire and Brimstone, but then others have thought the same of us.
and this is exactly what im getting at. although i believe that the God of Catholicism is The One True God, what makes us any different than a Hindu, who will shout until their lungs give out that ganesha is god? i definitely know that our faith is a WHOLE lot more reasonable than that of Hinduism. But if you were to ask a Hindu, they’d tell you that you are just as deluded as you think they are. although Catholicism makes a lot more sense, what makes it more right than any other religion?
 
The fact that 9 out of 10 salesmen come to your door saying that their product is the best on the market has actually nothing to do with whether any one of them might be right. How many others make the same claim of Truth doesn’t alter how true you might be.

Jesus proposed that only by Him could a person come to God. If you believe otherwise, then you have to deal with that (Lazarus).

You seem to actually be asking, “how would I know?” And the answer is that cognitively, you don’t.

With a very long explanation, I could take you through the logic of why Jesus was actually right, but not only would that take more time and effort than you would want to spend, you would still have to be confident enough at accurate logic to see the truth of it. Very, very few people want to bother and even fewer have the ability. Thus “Faith” is the only option left.
 
and this is exactly what im getting at. although i believe that the God of Catholicism is The One True God, what makes us any different than a Hindu, who will shout until their lungs give out that ganesha is god? i definitely know that our faith is a WHOLE lot more reasonable than that of Hinduism. But if you were to ask a Hindu, they’d tell you that you are just as deluded as you think they are. although Catholicism makes a lot more sense, what makes it more right than any other religion?
Hi, pcg2 -

Well, for one thing, our God the Holy Trinity is quite different from the Hindu Triune God. Their Triune has the Destroyer and our God the Holy Trinity has the Son of the Living God come in the flesh. The Hindu faith has a pantheon of lesser gods and our faith has unnumbered hosts of obedient to God angels as well as Satan and his fallen angels. I don’t know if Hinduism has fallen angels. Those are some differences, there.

pcg2, we are required, like any other religion, to keep and protect our faith. That’s a duty of every religion: keep the faith. Unlike all other religions, our God the Holy Trinity requires us to win converts by His and our love. We don’t kill non-believers and Hinduism, Buddhism and Islam do.

I’d say I’ve offered you some major differences. I’ll add you to my prayers.

God is love,
Don
 
pcg2, I really feel for you. You have come head-on against the inevitable dilemma that must face one who uses the gift God gave them between their ears, and lower down as well. The answer posted as "We are the oldest church establishment and we are the biggest religion in the world.We have over a billion members in the church but most importantly you must have FAITH that the Catholic Church is the one true faith. Peace Brother you are in my prayers is the flip, unthinking, and dismissive answer so often given to sincere inquiry about the most fundamental question we can ask. Who/What am I?

About one third of the word’s population is christianist of any kind. So Catholicism as a claimed faith (how many perfect practitioners of any faith do you know?) constitutes about 25% of the world population, mostly in the Southern hemisphere, where poverty and ignorance abound. And you are not alone in your question. It is a question those of other religions ask as well. Almost any religion claims and is believed to be–from within–the One, True, Way. So you are right. A Hindu, Muslim, Christadelphian, Pocomaiac, Shintoist, Cargo Cultist, or whatever, will make the same claim with identical emotional certitude as a christianist as to the verity of their faith. this is normal and natural. Imagine if a faith advertised that they weren’t, and that some other faith might be, but we are going to practice this anyway.

So it might be useful, for impartiality’s sake, and your own sanity, to consider this question as if you were a visitor from another planet who had no emotional stake in the question. This is difficult, as you already have deeply formed thought addictions if you are more than seven years old. But in any case, it is legitimate to ask, “If the Universe has one origin, why are there so many explanations for this that are so unaccommodating of one another?” There are some factors of importance in this question and how we look at it.

The chief of these is that we must be aware that we are invested in limits, one for m of which is illusion. That means that our brains are built to filter our sense (name removed by moderator)ut form an already extremely limited spectrum of data and make it into a story that fits our immediate needs of survival. This is true especially of our immediate family or lack of it.

Another is that we are invested in belief, and rather live our lives by stories than by facts. There are libraries written about this phenomenon, from the nature of stupidity, throght the six ingrained errors in human thingking, to the exigencies of belief as a mode of interacting with somthing, the World, that has nothing to do with it.

This investment in limitaitions is also true of our immediate social group and its historic influences. That means that if you talk to an Eskimo about the Lamb of God and Fig trees, you might have a problem. One might also have to explain why December 25 is such an important diefic date in hisory in may cultures from at least 3000 BCE on, and why some people in Egypt carried a creche through the streets on that day to celebrate their diety, who wasn’t Jesus. Similarly, people of desert regions, islands, plains, mountainous areas, etc, etc, all had different needs of explanation and technique for their circumstances. A story has to be told about who and what we are, or there tends to be a void of understanding, and more importantly, relationship. This is most evident in that we each know we did not make ourselves, nor did we make the world, but durned if it ain’t there with us in it.

But that again brings us back to our perceptions. We don’t, in fact, know what the world is, and evidently, we are not sure of ourselves, or we would not ask such questions as you did, or I did. You are very much not alone. and your question is very important, as it bears on the very nature of being Human, and possibly very much more.

I say possibly, because we are to a very great extent limited by the stories we accept about ourselves. These stories come from our parents, school, our peers, and very unfortunately from commercial interests and other people, politicians and even scientists, who have an agenda for us. That agenda for us may not be in our best interest.

So, how does one answer your very important question? It deserves an answer beyond the one quoted above.

More later, if you are interested. I have to go do something else now.
 
The fact that 9 out of 10 salesmen come to your door saying that their product is the best on the market has actually nothing to do with whether any one of them might be right. How many others make the same claim of Truth doesn’t alter how true you might be.

Jesus proposed that only by Him could a person come to God. If you believe otherwise, then you have to deal with that (Lazarus).

You seem to actually be asking, “how would I know?” And the answer is that cognitively, you don’t.

With a very long explanation, I could take you through the logic of why Jesus was actually right, but not only would that take more time and effort than you would want to spend, you would still have to be confident enough at accurate logic to see the truth of it. Very, very few people want to bother and even fewer have the ability. Thus “Faith” is the only option left.
yes, and that’s what i stated in my earlier post - the number of people that believe/have faith in something has absolutely no bearing on its validity as objective truth.

i would very much appreciate it if you would expand on “the logic of why Jesus was actually right.” seeing as how this has been a thorn in my side the past year now, i really don’t mind how much time and effort it’d take to sort this out (or at least try to)
 
pcg2, I really feel for you. You have come head-on against the inevitable dilemma that must face one who uses the gift God gave them between their ears, and lower down as well. The answer posted as "We are the oldest church establishment and we are the biggest religion in the world.We have over a billion members in the church but most importantly you must have FAITH that the Catholic Church is the one true faith. Peace Brother you are in my prayers is the flip, unthinking, and dismissive answer so often given to sincere inquiry about the most fundamental question we can ask. Who/What am I?

About one third of the word’s population is christianist of any kind. So Catholicism as a claimed faith (how many perfect practitioners of any faith do you know?) constitutes about 25% of the world population, mostly in the Southern hemisphere, where poverty and ignorance abound. And you are not alone in your question. It is a question those of other religions ask as well. Almost any religion claims and is believed to be–from within–the One, True, Way. So you are right. A Hindu, Muslim, Christadelphian, Pocomaiac, Shintoist, Cargo Cultist, or whatever, will make the same claim with identical emotional certitude as a christianist as to the verity of their faith. this is normal and natural. Imagine if a faith advertised that they weren’t, and that some other faith might be, but we are going to practice this anyway.

So it might be useful, for impartiality’s sake, and your own sanity, to consider this question as if you were a visitor from another planet who had no emotional stake in the question. This is difficult, as you already have deeply formed thought addictions if you are more than seven years old. But in any case, it is legitimate to ask, “If the Universe has one origin, why are there so many explanations for this that are so unaccommodating of one another?” There are some factors of importance in this question and how we look at it.

The chief of these is that we must be aware that we are invested in limits, one for m of which is illusion. That means that our brains are built to filter our sense (name removed by moderator)ut form an already extremely limited spectrum of data and make it into a story that fits our immediate needs of survival. This is true especially of our immediate family or lack of it.

Another is that we are invested in belief, and rather live our lives by stories than by facts. There are libraries written about this phenomenon, from the nature of stupidity, throght the six ingrained errors in human thingking, to the exigencies of belief as a mode of interacting with somthing, the World, that has nothing to do with it.

This investment in limitaitions is also true of our immediate social group and its historic influences. That means that if you talk to an Eskimo about the Lamb of God and Fig trees, you might have a problem. One might also have to explain why December 25 is such an important diefic date in hisory in may cultures from at least 3000 BCE on, and why some people in Egypt carried a creche through the streets on that day to celebrate their diety, who wasn’t Jesus. Similarly, people of desert regions, islands, plains, mountainous areas, etc, etc, all had different needs of explanation and technique for their circumstances. A story has to be told about who and what we are, or there tends to be a void of understanding, and more importantly, relationship. This is most evident in that we each know we did not make ourselves, nor did we make the world, but durned if it ain’t there with us in it.

But that again brings us back to our perceptions. We don’t, in fact, know what the world is, and evidently, we are not sure of ourselves, or we would not ask such questions as you did, or I did. You are very much not alone. and your question is very important, as it bears on the very nature of being Human, and possibly very much more.

I say possibly, because we are to a very great extent limited by the stories we accept about ourselves. These stories come from our parents, school, our peers, and very unfortunately from commercial interests and other people, politicians and even scientists, who have an agenda for us. That agenda for us may not be in our best interest.

So, how does one answer your very important question? It deserves an answer beyond the one quoted above.

More later, if you are interested. I have to go do something else now.
thanks for the well-thought out response. i appreciate the fact that you were honest and didn’t give one of the run-of-the-mill standard answers to this question. i know that one can’t know everything, and i know that at the end of the day it all comes down to faith, but i believe that this is a question that must have an answer - i am very much interested in your response to this topic
 
I have a question about our faith that has really been a problem for me for a very long time and haven’t found anyone or anything that could answer it. We, as Catholics, believe the Bible to be the word of God and that Christianity (and more specifically, Catholicism) is the ONE TRUE religion… but other religions do not. There are so many religions out there, such as Budishm, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc that have totally different beliefs than Christians. Basically, how do we know we got “it” right? I believe we did, but a Hindu or Budhist would totally disagree. How do Christianity’s Truths counteract/disprove other religion’s perceived truths? A Hindu would say Christians got “it” wrong just as fast as I would say Hinduism is not true. I mean no disrespect and I am not trying to doubt this is just something that I really don’t understand. In this situation I can’t seem to put the pieces together.

And sorry if the philosophy forum wasn’t the best place for this question, but I couldn’t think of any place else. But from what I’ve seen there are plenty of intelligent and knowledgeable Catholics posting here 🙂 Figured this would be the best place to ask
For one thing, Christianity is historical.
 
Hi Pcg2,

I agree with James S that Truth is not a matter of democracy, nor of an opinion poll. That is a reason to question, if anything, that it is the world’s largest faith,* if all its forms are considered collectively and assuming all practice.

I also agree that there is a logic inherent in the teachings attributed to Jesus, though it may be of a different order than what James S speaks of. And for me, that logic is in the structure of the parables taken together with the history of the Church and the entire matter of the Nature of Man. That’s given that we accept that Mankind is capable of what we will provisionally call “salvation,” since here we are dealing in necessarily christianist terms. That salvation hinges on the actuality of Soul having a relationship of whatever kind with Deity.

Most importantly, we must take into account the very nature of human belief and the at least six major built in ways we distort our thinking. This is a softening of the fact that in ordinary language, there are over 100 detectable common fallacies of logic that show up in our speech. Many of these are used deliberately by those who have such knowledge and couple it with an agenda for advertising or propaganda. That softening also discounts the rather astonishing fact that, as RA Heinlein put it, “…In English only the first person singular present tense of the verb ‘to be’ is true to fact.”

All that leaves us a great deal with which to doubt not only what we hear and learn, especially as that information becomes remote in time and space,* but even ourselves. No wonder the brain is designed, it seems, to both connect dots meaningfully, though they may not be related, and as well to ignore large chunks of (name removed by moderator)ut so as not to be overwhelmed. These properties are even now being researched in Arizona and include such people as Teller of Penn & Teller, as we try to discover why we can’t see things that are right in front of us and obvious.*** But it also leaves us the single most vital and important route of connectivity to the Divine that is possible now, was, or ever will be, here or anywhere in the Universe.

Again, that is why I return to the nature and structure of parable, the Identity statements attributed to Jesus, and why I constantly include Mark 4:33,34 in my signature. It also depends very much on the level of inquiry of any individual. It is pretty clear that a kindergärtner asks vastly different questions about things than does a graduate physics student. And again, that is the reason for parables and the kinds of explications about religion, salvation, and transformation that are treated in many books such as Maurice Nicoll’s The New Man: an interpretation of some parables and miracles of Christ. It is also why some kinds of conversations are impossible with some on here, and why the ordinary fundamental and popular “understandings” of religious ideas are inadequate for the needs of some who wish to question more deeply. Are we to believe that an answer suitable for the needs of a middle schooler are adequate for both the infant and for the professor? That is up to you. I will continue on this theme, if you wish, at your request.

The caveat, as always, is stated clearly by the man who said “The search for Reality is the most dangerous undertaking; it will destroy your world.” Does that mean the end of the Earth? No, of course not. But in my instance it meant the rug was unceremoniously and suddenly pulled out from under me, as all the foundational notions of my thoughts of who and what I am were, though still extant, invalidated forever. It may be different for you, as mine was a sudden and unexpected insight, and for you this is yet an intellectual, though vitally important, exercise.
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*A fascinating little film on this and other stats re Earth is [miniature-earth.com/me_english.htm](http://www.miniature-earth.com/me_english.htm) as well as [storyofstuff.com/](http://www.storyofstuff.com/)

** If you are interested, there is a fascinating "handbook for religious sanity" that treats thoroughly and entertainingly of this topic.

***http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nrn2473.html
 
Just a tiny correction. Buddhists do not kill non believers. In fact it is against one of their central precepts to kill under any circumstances, although one can defend oneself - as long as the intention is not to hurt or kill. It’s important to understand other faiths because otherwise we are less credible…
 
Just a tiny correction. Buddhists do not kill non believers. In fact it is against one of their central precepts to kill under any circumstances, although one can defend oneself - as long as the intention is not to hurt or kill. It’s important to understand other faiths because otherwise we are less credible…
Hi, Fran65 -

Correction accepted, thank you.
In passing, just as there are some Christians and some Jews who privately break the Fifth Commandment, I think there are also some Buddhists who also break the Buddha’s injunction against murder.
 
I have a question about our faith that has really been a problem for me for a very long time and haven’t found anyone or anything that could answer it. We, as Catholics, believe the Bible to be the word of God and that Christianity (and more specifically, Catholicism) is the ONE TRUE religion… but other religions do not. There are so many religions out there, such as Budishm, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc that have totally different beliefs than Christians. Basically, how do we know we got “it” right? I believe we did, but a Hindu or Budhist would totally disagree. How do Christianity’s Truths counteract/disprove other religion’s perceived truths? A Hindu would say Christians got “it” wrong just as fast as I would say Hinduism is not true. I mean no disrespect and I am not trying to doubt this is just something that I really don’t understand. In this situation I can’t seem to put the pieces together.

And sorry if the philosophy forum wasn’t the best place for this question, but I couldn’t think of any place else. But from what I’ve seen there are plenty of intelligent and knowledgeable Catholics posting here 🙂 Figured this would be the best place to ask
Well, first, I would drop any religion from consideration that doesn’t claim to be the One True Faith, which takes out everything except Orthodox Judaism, Orthodox Christianity, certain forms of Islam, and the Catholic Church.

Then, I would look at the historical claims of each - where did they come from, who do they claim as their founders, how do they explain how they got from there to here, etc.

And finally, I would figure out which one best meets my spiritual needs in every area of my life, and gives me something to hope for both in this life and in the next.

Which leaves us (or me, at least) with the Catholic Church. 🙂
 
Jmcrae~“Then, I would look at the historical claims of each - where did they come from, who do they claim as their founders, how do they explain how they got from there to here, etc.” This is excellent. Use it thoroughly as regards the Roman Catholic Church, and do include the various histories that are not sanctioned by the self-justifcations of the institution itself. Throw in some study on translation, collections, and meaning as well, and maybe you might get somewhere.
 
I have a question about our faith that has really been a problem for me for a very long time and haven’t found anyone or anything that could answer it . . . I mean no disrespect and I am not trying to doubt this is just something that I really don’t understand. In this situation I can’t seem to put the pieces together.

And sorry if the philosophy forum wasn’t the best place for this question, but I couldn’t think of any place else. But from what I’ve seen there are plenty of intelligent and knowledgeable Catholics posting here 🙂 Figured this would be the best place to ask
This is a very good question, and I want to encourage you to keep striving onward, even if you occasionally get only superficial, inadequate answers - like the one in the second reply. Many others have already said what I was going to, so let me just make two points, one specific and one more general:
I believe we did, but a Hindu or Buddhist would totally disagree. How do Christianity’s Truths counteract/disprove other religion’s perceived truths? A Hindu would say Christians got “it” wrong just as fast as I would say Hinduism is not true.
I think you are mistaken in this particular example, and it underlies an important principle that you must realize as you sort through this issue: namely, the truth that not all religions claim to be the one true faith. It’s important not to put religion in a box, when the worldviews behind different ones can often be mind-blowingly alien to those outside their culture.

In fact, of the world’s major religions, only Christianity and Islam actively proselytize and dare to claim to be exclusively, absolutely correct. Perhaps this is why there has been so much conflict between them throughout history.

With other religions, this is simply not the case. An orthodox Hindu probably would not say that “Christianity gets it wrong” - Hinduism is extraordinarly flexible in a way that orthodox Christianity could never be; it is like a sponge that absorbs and amalgamates many different beliefs and rituals.

Thus, I would bet you that for every Hindu who would say, “No, we’ve got it right,” you’d find ten more who would simply shrug and say that Christianity is a perfectly valid manifestation of the bhakti yoga path toward God.

A Buddhist - your other example - would give you even weirder answers, especially if they’re Theravada or some kind of Zen.

So, not to make your questioning more difficult, but remember that this is even more complicated than, “Every religion claims that they’re the right one.” That is definitely an oversimplification.

My other point was simply this: know that reason can get you very far, but it cannot take the final step for you. It was Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard who coined the term “leap of faith,” and I think he’s right that such a leap is necessary. Peter Kreeft says that truth is like the sea and reason is like a car. It can get you all the way to the beach, but once you get there, you still have to get out and leap into the sea.

Of course, it is entirely pertinent to ask, But why does Christianity merit such a leap if other faiths do not? This is a difficult question, but one well-worth answering.

I think a good place to start would be to remember my first point, and to ask yourself just what each religion does ask of its followers. They are often far from the same.

The truth claims of Christ and Buddha, for example, are very different. Likewise, what Hinduism asks of its followers is totally different than what Islam does. If you really want to answer the question in bold above, then you must do justice to these differences. I think a major clue involves the following fact:
For one thing, Christianity is historical.
This makes it far easier to assess than a dense and heavily esoteric religion like Hinduism (which in its true forms really is quite alien to the western mind). Christianity depends on the historical realities of Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection. I frankly am convinced of Christianity principally because I believe the historical evidence is incontrovertible that Jesus of Nazareth claimed to be divine in the Jewish sense (!) and then physically rose from the dead.

(It would be far less radical, bizarre, and overwhelming if Jesus had simply claimed to be divine in a more Hindu sense. But that’s out of the question, since he was a practicing Jew)
Well, first, I would drop any religion from consideration that doesn’t claim to be the One True Faith, which takes out everything except Orthodox Judaism, Orthodox Christianity, certain forms of Islam, and the Catholic Church.
I respectfully disagree. 🙂

I do think that it is useful to separate these more absolutist, western religions from their esoteric, eastern counterparts, but the latter cannot simply be ruled out. Their general approach much be assessed too, although I certainly agree that it’s far more fruitful to compare religions within these categories than across them. For example, comparing Christianity and Islam in an attempt to decide between them is way easier than to compare Christianity and Hinduism in that way.

Still, one must eventually cross that divide. When C.S. Lewis knew he was no longer an atheist, he began to investigate the world’s religions. He eventually narrowed his choices down to Christianity or Hinduism before finally converting to Christ.

I think he was on to something the entire time. 🙂
 
Still, one must eventually cross that divide. When C.S. Lewis knew he was no longer an atheist, he began to investigate the world’s religions. He eventually narrowed his choices down to Christianity or Hinduism before finally converting to Christ.

I think he was on to something the entire time. 🙂
I agree - and in fact if Christianity were not an option, I’d probably become a Sikh (a form of Hinduism) since it would be the one that is most likely to meet the same spiritual needs as the Catholic faith.
 
I agree - and in fact if Christianity were not an option, I’d probably become a Sikh (a form of Hinduism) since it would be the one that is most likely to meet the same spiritual needs as the Catholic faith.
Interesting. If Christianity were somehow proven to be a sham, I think I too would look east. 🙂
 
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