Catholicism vs Evolution

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There are several posters on this forum who believe that Catholicism is absolutely opposed to evolution.

I personally rarely vote in polls, but I am curious as to how many people actually believe that. So I am starting this thread with a poll. Please don’t argue for or against either evolution, Catholicism or your personal view of what the Church teaches.

Thanks.

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Tim
 
Evolution isn’t dogma in the Catholic Church. We are given the right to choose weather not we accept evolution. I would say that some form is allowed by the Church while some might go against the Church teaching. I for one reject evolution in every degree, but here some people seem to thing evolution is true.
 
Interesting. So far the poll is 11 to 0 in favor of “evolution is allowed by the CC.”

So where is all the ferocious argument on this topic coming from?
 
Organic Evolution only seems to apply within species.

To get species breakouts / or new species creation … a supernatural impetus a Genesis creation] seems required.
 
cpayne said:
Interesting. So far the poll is 11 to 0 in favor of “evolution is allowed by the CC.”

So where is all the ferocious argument on this topic coming from?
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A lot of people who don’t accept evolution still believe that Catholic dogma is okay with it. This poll is worded very specifically to convey that, which was very smart of the OP.
 
DustinM said:
A lot of people who don’t accept evolution still believe that Catholic dogma is okay with it. This poll is worded very specifically to convey that, which was very smart of the OP.
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I agree. This also means that, on the subject of evolution, a lot of people are “more Catholic than the Pope,” as the saying goes. The Pope believes the Scriptures can be interpreted to allow for evolution; others apparently do not.
 
What I find interesting is that some of the major players on the non-evolution side of the discussion haven’t voted.

16-0 as I post this.

Peace

Tim
 
I think perhaps the reason for this is that this specific poll would highlight the following statement: “Yes, the CC allows for belief that evolution has occurred/is occurring, and yes, many Catholic Christians accept this, and yes, even the Pope accepts it, but YOU’RE ALL WRONG.”

Even if folks don’t accept evolution, they might be reluctant to go this far. 🙂
 
cpayne said:
Interesting. So far the poll is 11 to 0 in favor of “evolution is allowed by the CC.”

So where is all the ferocious argument on this topic coming from?
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Maybe sola scriptura;)

Seriously, I think that people are trying to figure out what has gone wrong with our “whatever” society. Obviously, God has been replaced – He’s still alive, just ignored.

Blessings,
granny

All human life is worthy of profound respect. Human life is sacred.
 
Organic Evolution only seems to apply within species.
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To get species breakouts / or new species creation … a supernatural impetus a Genesis creation] seems required.
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It’s been directly observed, and nothing like a miracle was noted. You might want to know that even most YE creationists now admit the fact of speciation. The ICR has endorsed the idea that new species, genera, and even families evolve.
 
Actually, I do think Catholicism needs to confront evolution on one point in particular: that is, when speciation occurs, what happens to the idea of an enduring substance? For example, what happens to the human soul if the human body changes away from direct continuity with Homo sapiens? Is it still a Homo sapiens soul? If not, is it human as we think of human?

For that matter, what happens to the redemption of humanity if humanity shifts to something other than that which was redeemed by Jesus appearing as God manifest in human (Homo sapiens) flesh?
 
cpayne said:
Actually, I do think Catholicism needs to confront evolution on one point in particular: that is, when speciation occurs, what happens to the idea of an enduring substance? For example, what happens to the human soul if the human body changes away from direct continuity with Homo sapiens? Is it still a Homo sapiens soul? If not, is it human as we think of human?

For that matter, what happens to the redemption of humanity if humanity shifts to something other than that which was redeemed by Jesus appearing as God manifest in human (Homo sapiens) flesh?
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We ought not to assume that humanity will stop being humanity. I think the record shows extinction more likely. One think that hss suprised biologists is the relative fixity of a species, to the extent one can define species, even in small organisms. I mean we see lots of changes in the AIDS virus, but there it is.
 
Actually, I do think Catholicism needs to confront evolution on one point in particular: that is, when speciation occurs, what happens to the idea of an enduring substance?
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That’s not something for science. Theologians will have to work that out.
For example, what happens to the human soul if the human body changes away from direct continuity with Homo sapiens?
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You think Neandertals had no souls?
Is it still a Homo sapiens soul? If not, is it human as we think of human?
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No such thing as a H. sapiens soul. Just human souls.
For that matter, what happens to the redemption of humanity if humanity shifts to something other than that which was redeemed by Jesus appearing as God manifest in human (Homo sapiens) flesh?
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Maybe it’s a moot point. We could be at the end of the line for our particular species. Or maybe God isn’t all that particular about the genetic code of His people. Science can’t help you work this out.

BTW, the poll was a pretty clever idea. Apparently, there aren’t all that many creationists here willing to directly oppose the Church, and go on record as such.
 
The_Barbarian said:
BTW, the poll was a pretty clever idea. Apparently, there aren’t all that many creationists here willing to directly oppose the Church, and go on record as such.
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It is interesting. I’m a bit surprised that some of the posters who have either specifically claimed or strongly implied that evolution is not allowed by the Church haven’t voted.

Peace

Tim
 
The_Barbarian said:
You think Neandertals had no souls?

No such thing as a H. sapiens soul. Just human souls.

Maybe it’s a moot point. We could be at the end of the line for our particular species. Or maybe God isn’t all that particular about the genetic code of His people. Science can’t help you work this out.
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I agree that science can’t work this out. However, science could make it more or less plausible.

Re Neandertals: They had the soul which corresponded to the substance of Neandertalism, that which formed a Neandertal.

Homo sapiens is a substance. The soul has to correspond to the embodiment.

These are the things a theologian has to work out scientifically if the soul is the “form” of the body; especially if it is the fact that humanity is still in the process of evolving.

That would be another good poll question: How many people believe that the human race is still physically evolving?
 
To cpayne with regard to continued evolution of man:

I believe that either God will prevent further major evolution from occuring in humans, or that the Second Coming of Christ will happen before it does.

Soler.
 
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