Catholics accepting the good in protestantism

[Singinbeauty]

Joey,
Your Protestant Pastor/Bishop was an idiot.
Jon

I think many of us can agree that we all hope that anyone and everyone are ‘saved’ or on their way to Heaven before they die. Even the Pope. From what I understand there have been a few popes who have been less than christian-like in some situations (I cannot name them at the moment but I have even had some catholics say they weren’t too keen on one or two because of their actions while in ‘office’ and weren’t sure they were the right person for the job. Even popes can fail as they are human). So at least for me (I can’t speak for your pastor) if I say I hope someone is saved, I am not making a judgement on whether they are going here or there. I just hope they were right with God when they left this earth. Even the Pope. I don’t think he gets a free pass just because of the position he held here on earth. But that is just me, I can’t speak for those who don’t think catholics are christian in the first place…

 

[Righteousone]

Joey,
Your Protestant Pastor/Bishop was an idiot.
Jon

 

[JonNC]

I think many of us can agree that we all hope that anyone and everyone are ‘saved’ or on their way to Heaven before they die. Even the Pope. From what I understand there have been a few popes who have been less than christian-like in some situations (I cannot name them at the moment but I have even had some catholics say they weren’t too keen on one or two because of their actions while in ‘office’ and weren’t sure they were the right person for the job. Even popes can fail as they are human). So at least for me (I can’t speak for your pastor) if I say I hope someone is saved, I am not making a judgement on whether they are going here or there. I just hope they were right with God when they left this earth. Even the Pope. I don’t think he gets a free pass just because of the position he held here on earth. But that is just me, I can’t speak for those who don’t think catholics are christian in the first place…

Singin,
You are one of the most charitable people here. Perhaps I was a bit uncharitable. But the intent of that pastor’s statement, I inferred, was that the Pope was not saved because he was Catholic. And about John Paul II, nonetheless. That is what prompted my impulsive post.
Jon

 

[donmaximuso27]

I think many of us can agree that we all hope that anyone and everyone are ‘saved’ or on their way to Heaven before they die. Even the Pope. From what I understand there have been a few popes who have been less than christian-like in some situations (I cannot name them at the moment but I have even had some catholics say they weren’t too keen on one or two because of their actions while in ‘office’ and weren’t sure they were the right person for the job. Even popes can fail as they are human). So at least for me (I can’t speak for your pastor) if I say I hope someone is saved, I am not making a judgement on whether they are going here or there. I just hope they were right with God when they left this earth. Even the Pope. I don’t think he gets a free pass just because of the position he held here on earth. But that is just me, I can’t speak for those who don’t think catholics are christian in the first place…

Any Catholic that does not pray for the salvation of all souls is indeed not being faithful to Christ. The Pope even publicly prays for Catholics and non-Catholics alike all the time. However, we have a very specific definition on how to remain faithful to Christ. We believe, as Catholics, that Christ gave us the true way to salvation, through the Catholic Church. While there is truth in Protestantism, there is still more things that are indeed untrue and that contradict Christ’s Church. Nevertheless, we always pray that all may be recieved into the Kingdom of Heaven. We also pray that all may come to know the truth that is the Catholic Church, so that they have a better chance to be saved.

 

[Singinbeauty]

Singin,
You are one of the most charitable people here. Perhaps I was a bit uncharitable. But the intent of that pastor’s statement, I inferred, was that the Pope was not saved because he was Catholic. And about John Paul II, nonetheless. That is what prompted my impulsive post.
Jon

I understand, but would he be an idiot for saying that or mislead and possibly misdirected? We need to immediately pray for a person who makes such comments (with the understanding of his intent) rather than automatically attack his mentality.

The problem with both sides (and I am not saying this is you by any means) is that we immediately go on the defense when a comment is made rather than looking at where the person is coming from. It makes me wonder if things had gone differently when Luther put up his infamous letter and the catholic church would have responded in a way of addressing the issues he raised rather than right off the bat condemning them and him for it.

But, as humans we sometimes don’t have that ‘stop’ do we? I have flown off the cuff more than a few times without stopping to breath then was left with a very red face (blushing) and apologizing up the wazoo for saying stuff I didn’t mean… Ah well, I guess we have to ride it out until we meet Christ in Heaven.

 

[JonNC]

I understand, but would he be an idiot for saying that or mislead and possibly misdirected? We need to immediately pray for a person who makes such comments (with the understanding of his intent) rather than automatically attack his mentality.

The problem with both sides (and I am not saying this is you by any means) is that we immediately go on the defense when a comment is made rather than looking at where the person is coming from. It makes me wonder if things had gone differently when Luther put up his infamous letter and the catholic church would have responded in a way of addressing the issues he raised rather than right off the bat condemning them and him for it.

But, as humans we sometimes don’t have that ‘stop’ do we? I have flown off the cuff more than a few times without stopping to breath then was left with a very red face (blushing) and apologizing up the wazoo for saying stuff I didn’t mean… Ah well, I guess we have to ride it out until we meet Christ in Heaven.

Ok, I am justifiably chastised.

I guess I get annoyed when I hear of Catholics having to deal with protestants who act like that pastor, then they (Catholics) think we (protestants) are all like that. Sometimes it is hard to even converse here because Catholics think I’m gonna whip out the Babylon stuff, or a Jack Chick track, and it is because they’ve heard that dung so many times before.
But you are, of course right. Patience and charity.

Jon

 

[Singinbeauty]

Ok, I am justifiably chastised.

I guess I get annoyed when I hear of Catholics having to deal with protestants who act like that pastor, then they (Catholics) think we (protestants) are all like that. Sometimes it is hard to even converse here because Catholics think I’m gonna whip out the Babylon stuff, or a Jack Chick track, and it is because they’ve heard that dung so many times before.
But you are, of course right. Patience and charity.

Jon

No worries, I hope you will do the same if I get out of line and you come across it! I NEVER claim to be perfect!

I feel ya on the conversing with some who just expect me to be a mindless idiot and not know my own Faith. But just as we deal with it, so do they… *sigh…

 

[MementoMori3283]

No worries, I hope you will do the same if I get out of line and you come across it! I NEVER claim to be perfect!

I feel ya on the conversing with some who just expect me to be a mindless idiot and not know my own Faith. But just as we deal with it, so do they… *sigh…

and what faith denomination would that be?

 

[Singinbeauty]

and what faith denomination would that be?

I am non-denom…

Before anyone jumps on this, please start a new thread because it will DEFINITELY derail it should we get into a discussion on what non-denom is! LOL…

 

[MementoMori3283]

I am non-denom…

Before anyone jumps on this, please start a new thread because it will DEFINITELY derail it should we get into a discussion on what non-denom is! LOL…

So God, by the infinite power of the Holy Spirit, has brought you to the Saviour of the world through a non-committal relationship

 

[Singinbeauty]

So God, by the infinite power of the Holy Spirit, has brought you to the Saviour of the world through a non-committal relationship

I won’t get into the non-denom conversation here. This is about accepting the good in protestantism not about non-denom. You want to start another topic, go ahead. But I won’t get into it here as I stated above.

P.S. Don’t put God in a box by thinking He can’t do something no matter what it is…

 

[MementoMori3283]

I won’t get into the non-denom conversation here. This is about accepting the good in protestantism not about non-denom. You want to start another topic, go ahead. But I won’t get into it here as I stated above.

P.S. **Don’t put God in a box by thinking He can’t do something no matter what it is…/**QUOTE]

exactly why one should believe Jesus when He says, “I am the bread of life, …whoever eats my Flesh {translated from the Greek-sarks- chunk of meat} will never die…My Flesh is real food” And follows it up with, “…DO THIS in memory of ME” and “If you love Me you will keep my commandments.”

Where, oh where, is this fullness of the Gospel practiced and taught? Hmmmmm:shrug:

I’m knew here - I will follow your lead to a topic on non-denom:thumbsup:

 

[Huguenot]

Yes, you do. Every Sunday.

I submit to the Pope every Sunday ??? I think Benedict XVI will be happy to hear that but I still don’t understand : please tell me what this “submission” consists in …it seems to apply to Evangelicals only, not to the other families of Protestants, so I really don’t understand …
maybe it is clear for Evangelicals in your country what it means, but for me ( I’m French ) I don’t understand
What do WE do ( Evangelicals ) that other Protestants don’t, that shows that we submit to the Pope every Sunday ???

 

[dawid]

I think many of us can agree that we all hope that anyone and everyone are ‘saved’ or on their way to Heaven before they die. Even the Pope. From what I understand there have been a few popes who have been less than christian-like in some situations (I cannot name them at the moment but I have even had some catholics say they weren’t too keen on one or two because of their actions while in ‘office’ and weren’t sure they were the right person for the job. Even popes can fail as they are human). So at least for me (I can’t speak for your pastor) if I say I hope someone is saved, I am not making a judgement on whether they are going here or there. I just hope they were right with God when they left this earth. Even the Pope. I don’t think he gets a free pass just because of the position he held here on earth. But that is just me, I can’t speak for those who don’t think catholics are christian in the first place…

Patrick Madrid wrote an excellent book on the myths propogated by anti-Catholic groups. In the book he discusses the popes including those who led lives of debauchery, placing it in perspective in terms of the Office of the Bishop of Rome and salvation history. There are also audio files with the author discussing the subject of the book at: ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?seriesID=6148&T1=pope
I found it enjoyable and highly recommend this for listening or reading.

 

[manualman]

1. The problem with both sides (and I am not saying this is you by any means) is that we immediately go on the defense when a comment is made rather than looking at where the person is coming from.
2. It makes me wonder if things had gone differently when Luther put up his infamous letter and the catholic church would have responded in a way of addressing the issues he raised rather than right off the bat condemning them and him for it.

1. Agreed entirely.
2. I suggest you read more of Luther’s actual, unsanitized writings. What you describe is EXACTLY what happened initially. Posting theses on the church door was ROUTINE in university towns back then. But when the church hierarchy responded intellectually, Luther basically called them IDIOTS! (and rather worse names) How’s that for irony?

 

[JonNC]

1. Agreed entirely.
2. I suggest you read more of Luther’s actual, unsanitized writings. What you describe is EXACTLY what happened initially. Posting theses on the church door was ROUTINE in university towns back then. But when the church hierarchy responded intellectually, Luther basically called them IDIOTS! (and rather worse names) How’s that for irony?

Boy, am I taking a whipping for that one post.
Guess I deserve it. For what it is worth, I did apologize to Joey for it. And I apologize to all of you.

Jon

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

Hi everybody,

I haven’t been able to visit this thread for a while but yeah…

I would ask that everyone please try to keep the conversation on topic, and that is:

Catholics accepting the good we see in protestantism.

Thank you !

 

[manualman]

Boy, am I taking a whipping for that one post.
Guess I deserve it. For what it is worth, I did apologize to Joey for it. And I apologize to all of you.

Jon

I didn’t mean to beat you up further. I just couldn’t take the unintended irony from another poster silently!

Back to the group hug!

 

[Singinbeauty]

Singinbeauty;3569339:

I won’t get into the non-denom conversation here. This is about accepting the good in protestantism not about non-denom. You want to start another topic, go ahead. But I won’t get into it here as I stated above.

P.S. Don’t put God in a box by thinking He can’t do something no matter what it is…

exactly why one should believe Jesus when He says, “I am the bread of life, …whoever eats my Flesh {translated from the Greek-sarks- chunk of meat} will never die…My Flesh is real food” And follows it up with, “…DO THIS in memory of ME” and “If you love Me you will keep my commandments.”

Where, oh where, is this fullness of the Gospel practiced and taught? Hmmmmm:shrug:

Not the thread for this. This is for accepting the good in protestantism. Start a new thread if you wanna know.

I’m knew here - I will follow your lead to a topic on non-denom:thumbsup:

You want the thread you should open one up. Me? I have discussed this at length already and am not interested in starting a thread regarding non-denom. Sorry, you can do a search on non-denom and find the MANY threads that have been done on this subject…

 

[dawid]

It seems the discussion has occasionally run off-track.

To resolve this, we should define the scope of the thread.

As the basis of our common doctrine is loving our neighbour, it compells us to love our non-Catholic brothers and sisters. We should then accept that they are good.
The next area to consider, is doctrine. Here, there are certain differences. Although non-Catholic denominations have the foundation of the Scriptures which were developed within the Catholic Church, they have deviated from the early Church by changes to the content of their Bibles.

This is part of the reason for doctrinal deviations such as the sola scriptura doctrine.

There’s my very “quick and nasty” assessment of the scope of the debate.

Do we agree that the extent of this scope could improve the debate, or should we include additional issues?