Catholics & Adoption

[Jake_Parker]

So I have been thinking about this for a while. I understand the Catholic Church does a lot of good in the world. I don’t want this to seem like an attack, because that is not at all what this is.

It seems that married couples having their own children is very much encouraged by the church, but why? With all the kids around the world, and in our own country that need to be adopted.

The Church is strongly opposed to abortion (which I agree with), and says that adoption is the best alternative. So why are more Catholics not encouraged to adopt?

The Church also has a negative attitude in regards to same-sex couples adopting, that is one area that I disagree with the Church 100%, and will not apologize. God creates people for reasons, and sometimes we don’t think about why. I believe one of the ways same-sex couples can benefit society is to adopt the children straight couples are not adopting, because they are choosing to have their own children instead. There are gay couples that should not adopt, there are straight couples that should not adopt. But there are still many that are, both straight and gay, that make fantastic parents and should be encouraged to adopt.

I don’t think we should expect “other people” to do the adopting, and then at the same time complain about all the gay couples being allowed to adopt. If you are going to complain, then you should be doing something about it. You can’t have it both ways.

And one last thing to remember. There are gay couples in the Catholic Church. They should be considered for adoption, because the children will be raised in a Christian home, even though it’s not the “ideal” household. It is a thousand times better than sitting in an orphanage.

 

[YADA]

So I have been thinking about this for a while. I understand the Catholic Church does a lot of good in the world. I don’t want this to seem like an attack, because that is not at all what this is.

It seems that married couples having their own children is very much encouraged by the church, but why? With all the kids around the world, and in our own country that need to be adopted.

The Church is strongly opposed to abortion (which I agree with), and says that adoption is the best alternative. So why are more Catholics not encouraged to adopt?

The Church also has a negative attitude in regards to same-sex couples adopting, that is one area that I disagree with the Church 100%, and will not apologize. God creates people for reasons, and sometimes we don’t think about why. I believe one of the ways same-sex couples can benefit society is to adopt the children straight couples are not adopting, because they are choosing to have their own children instead. There are gay couples that should not adopt, there are straight couples that should not adopt. But there are still many that are, both straight and gay, that make fantastic parents and should be encouraged to adopt.

I don’t think we should expect “other people” to do the adopting, and then at the same time complain about all the gay couples being allowed to adopt. If you are going to complain, then you should be doing something about it. You can’t have it both ways.

And one last thing to remember. There are gay couples in the Catholic Church. They should be considered for adoption, because the children will be raised in a Christian home, even though it’s not the “ideal” household. It is a thousand times better than sitting in an orphanage.

The Church has strong adoption services and advocates for adoption vigorously … so I think your attack on the Church’s position is a straw man argument. Do you - like Hillary -

“Laws have to be backed up with resources and political will,” Hillary Clinton explained. “And deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed."

believe that the Church must change its religious beliefs with the societal times?

catholiccharitiesusa.org/efforts/assisting-with-adoption

officialcatholicdirectory.com/mtree/family-life-and-marriage/adoption-help.html

usccb.org/issues-and-action/religious-liberty/discrimination-against-catholic-adoption-services.cfm

 

[Jake_Parker]

The Church has strong adoption services and advocates for adoption vigorously … so I think your attack on the Church’s position is a straw man argument. Do you - like Hillary - believe that the Church must change its religious beliefs with the societal times?

catholiccharitiesusa.org/efforts/assisting-with-adoption

officialcatholicdirectory.com/mtree/family-life-and-marriage/adoption-help.html

usccb.org/issues-and-action/religious-liberty/discrimination-against-catholic-adoption-services.cfm

No I was asking legitimate questions, actually. And besides the one response about the Catholic Church efforts supporting adoption, you didn’t really have any suggestions or responses. I am aware the church does a lot of good, and helps lots of people. I am not trying to dismiss all the good it does. But using the good the church does not really answer my questions about same-sex couples.

I never said the church should allow gay couples to marry. That would obviously never be allowed, because that is a basic fundamental of the church. Changing the teaching on adoption, that could be done. Many people will be opposed, because nobody likes change, but it does make a lot of sense.

 

[YADA]

No I was asking legitimate questions, actually. And besides the one response about the Catholic Church efforts supporting adoption, you didn’t really have any suggestions or responses. I am aware the church does a lot of good, and helps lots of people. I am not trying to dismiss all the good it does. But using the good the church does not really answer my questions about same-sex couples.

I never said the church should allow gay couples to marry. That would obviously never be allowed, because that is a basic fundamental of the church. Changing the teaching on adoption, that could be done. Many people will be opposed, because nobody likes change, but it does make a lot of sense.

There are plenty of places through which gay couples can adopt … why should the church need to participate in that - unless you are advocating that religious beliefs must change …

The Church does not need to provide for same sex couples to adopt … children deserve to have both a father and a mother to provide for them. The Church should work diligently to provide for that circumstance and not be forced to comply with societies alternative.

And if the Church would begin to advocate for same sex adoption as you desire - the next religious position to be forced upon it would be same sex marriage [which is coming anyway - forcing them to provide same sex marriages or loose the license from the state to perform any marriages]

 

[Jake_Parker]

There are plenty of places through which gay couples can adopt … why should the church need to participate in that - unless you are advocating that religious beliefs must change …

The Church does not need to provide for same sex couples to adopt … children deserve to have both a father and a mother to provide for them. The Church should work diligently to provide for that circumstance and not be forced to comply with societies alternative.

And if the Church would begin to advocate for same sex adoption as you desire - the next religious position to be forced upon it would be same sex marriage [which is coming anyway - forcing them to provide same sex marriages or loose the license from the state to perform any marriages]

I appreciate the response, even if we don’t agree.
I believe it is possible to support adoption for same-couples, without ever having to support/perform same-sex marriages. I would also never agree with forcing any church to support same-sex adoption. I was simply saying I don’t think they should oppose it. But forcing the church to change is never okay.

To answer an earlier question. No, I am not supporting Hillary. And I am absolutely not supporting Trump either. Gary Johnson will get my vote, and that’s not something I want to debate.

 

[Memaw]

So I have been thinking about this for a while. I understand the Catholic Church does a lot of good in the world. I don’t want this to seem like an attack, because that is not at all what this is.

It seems that married couples having their own children is very much encouraged by the church, but why? With all the kids around the world, and in our own country that need to be adopted.

The Church is strongly opposed to abortion (which I agree with), and says that adoption is the best alternative. So why are more Catholics not encouraged to adopt?

The Church also has a negative attitude in regards to same-sex couples adopting, that is one area that I disagree with the Church 100%, and will not apologize. God creates people for reasons, and sometimes we don’t think about why. I believe one of the ways same-sex couples can benefit society is to adopt the children straight couples are not adopting, because they are choosing to have their own children instead. There are gay couples that should not adopt, there are straight couples that should not adopt. But there are still many that are, both straight and gay, that make fantastic parents and should be encouraged to adopt.

I don’t think we should expect “other people” to do the adopting, and then at the same time complain about all the gay couples being allowed to adopt. If you are going to complain, then you should be doing something about it. You can’t have it both ways.

And one last thing to remember. There are gay couples in the Catholic Church. They should be considered for adoption, because the children will be raised in a Christian home, even though it’s not the “ideal” household. It is a thousand times better than sitting in an orphanage.

Now I understand why you have {unofficial) by Catholic. And I do agree, sometimes we DON"T think about why, we just make up our own minds about what God wants, instead of listening to what HE wants. HE gave us the Catholic Church for a very good reason, we need to learn our Faith and live it! God Bless, Memaw

 

[Jake_Parker]

Now I understand why you have {unofficial) by Catholic. And I do agree, sometimes we DON"T think about why, we just make up our own minds about what God wants, instead of listening to what HE wants. HE gave us the Catholic Church for a very good reason, we need to learn our Faith and live it! God Bless, Memaw

No, that has nothing to do with why I have “unofficial.” I would appreciate not jumping to conclusions about my faith, and beliefs. There is a very specific reason as to why I have not officially become Catholic. Also, not personally agreeing with a specific Church teaching, does not mean that I am right. I realize I very well may be wrong, but the point of these forums is to discuss things, and why they are the way they are. Asking questions and discussing what the Church teaches is a good thing.

 

[MaryT777]

Same sex couples adopting are deliberately depriving a child of both a mother and a father figure in their life. Growing up without a mom or dad in your life leaves a hole in your heart. Another gender cannot fill those shoes. It’s in the interests of the child. That is what the Catholic Church defends.

 

[Jake_Parker]

Same sex couples adopting are deliberately depriving a child of both a mother and a father figure in their life. Growing up without a mom or dad in your life leaves a hole in your heart. Another gender cannot fill those shoes. It’s in the interests of the child. That is what the Catholic Church defends.

Yes, being in an orphanage with no parents at all is beter.
I’m not saying having a mother and father is not the ideal situation. But I’m pretty sure a child would prefer having loving parents (regardless of gender) than not having parents at all.

 

[runningdude]

So I have been thinking about this for a while. I understand the Catholic Church does a lot of good in the world. I don’t want this to seem like an attack, because that is not at all what this is.

It seems that married couples having their own children is very much encouraged by the church, but why? With all the kids around the world, and in our own country that need to be adopted.

The Church is strongly opposed to abortion (which I agree with), and says that adoption is the best alternative. So why are more Catholics not encouraged to adopt?
…

They are encouraged to adopt. Your premise that the church does not so encourage is simply incorrect. Adoption, is a major, life changing commitment. Like any such major commitment, the church encourages careful discernment prior to entering such position.

 

[Rosebud77]

Yes, being in an orphanage with no parents at all is beter.
I’m not saying having a mother and father is not the ideal situation. But I’m pretty sure a child would prefer having loving parents (regardless of gender) than not having parents at all.

Parents means mother and father…

Simple.

And Gee! Pressing the emotional button re “orphanages”! Is that word even stlil used today …?

NB single folk are sometimes allowed to adopt and that is better by far than gay adoption.