Catholics and firearms

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Removing yourself and your family from the criminal’s preferred hunting grounds, while perhaps less satisfying to one’s vestigial frontier ethos or “make my day” fantasies, would be far more effective in enhancing personal safety.
Two slight problems: The White House is only a few blocks from a high crime area in Washington and not every one has the money to move to a ‘nicer’ lower crime area, Oh, by the way, what provents the gun-totting criminal’s hunting grounds changing from ‘high crime’ area to the ‘rich folk’s’ area? :confused::eek:
 
Specifics in which cases? If you mean the million times per year, the numbers in that range are often actually higher, I think 1.5-2 million. They are from surveys conducted.

If you mean my cases, well, one is a long story, but the other basically some guys got mad because my tires spun a little and threw gravel at them, they cornered us(me and a friend, I was 16), and 4 men came after us with tire irons and pipes.
Maybe we should mske tire irons and pipes illegel. 😃
 
A friend of mine uses old pizza boxes with a piece of duct tape in the center as his default target. 😛
 
I’m not sure where you’re getting that “default” target. When I’ve gone shooting, they are like Jwinch’s targets.

Anyways, if you want to use the gun for self defense, what is wrong with a human shaped target? Not to be flippant, but honestly, that’s what you’ll be shooting at.
Where I shoot that’s the target hanging in the firing lanes.

Where I learned to drive that wasn’t the target.

I think as shooters we should be honest.

A gun is not like a car, a knife or a bag of fertilizer.

A firearm’s role is to hit a target at distance.

The type of ammo and firearm you use further refines that role.

I like my guns. I enjoy my guns. I love to fire my guns. I do not wish firearms to be banned.

However my guns are not like my motorbike. It’s bit disingenuous to say firearms are just a tool. They are a tool for hitting a target at distance, and sometimes that target will be human (deliberately, accidentally, heroically, out of cowardice, out of duty or due to greed or mental insanity or other warped human motive).
 
A gun is not like a car, a knife or a bag of fertilizer.

A firearm’s role is to hit a target at distance.

The type of ammo and firearm you use further refines that role.
It is exactly like those things in that it is neither good or evil in and of itself. It is the purpose behind its operation and what is done with it that defines its morality. Timothy McVeigh killed far more people with a truck, some fertilizer, and racing fuel than would be possible by anyone with a firearm, no matter what type it was.
 
It is exactly like those things in that it is neither good or evil in and of itself. It is the purpose behind its operation and what is done with it that defines its morality. Timothy McVeigh killed far more people with a truck, some fertilizer, and racing fuel than would be possible by anyone with a firearm, no matter what type it was.
I didn’t assign morality to gun.

They are more apt for hitting targets at distance than other tools. I can’t hit a target with my hammer at 300 yards, or my chain saw, or my motorbike.

They can hit targets repeatedly, like a hammer, but unlike a motorbike.

Some are more easily concealed.

It is the unique abilities of a firearm that puts it in a different league.
 
Like Pres. Reagan was shot? Maybe he should have been in a ‘nicer place’. Or maybe Lincon should have spent the evening at the White House, not at Ford’s. There is no such thing as a ‘safer environoment’ as the White House, but even there is the chance of some one pulling an illegel gun (or other weapon) out and using it. ::doh2:
Reagan was surrounded by multiple Secret Service agents who were far better trained than the typical concealed-carry civilian would be, and who were focused on identifying potential threats in a way that a civilian probably would not be, yet he and others still got shot. I’m just suggesting that, realistically, unless you’re going to conduct yourself on the street like you’re a soldier on patrol in Afghanistan, you may be overestimating the protection that a firearm will provide against a criminal who will typically have the element of surprise on his side.
 
A small chance is better than no chance at all.
Yes. I’ll also beg to differ that in most cases the attacker has an advantage. There are many cases when the attacker can be easily warded off by even the sight of the to-be victim with a gun. Not that the person with the gun is invincible, but they are most certainly much safer in most circumstances.
 
Yes. I’ll also beg to differ that in most cases the attacker has an advantage. There are many cases when the attacker can be easily warded off by even the sight of the to-be victim with a gun. Not that the person with the gun is invincible, but they are most certainly much safer in most circumstances.
Or the sound of a firearm. The “kerchunk” of my shotgun being racked saved me from a break-in one time.
 
Put bluntly, what is the purpose of a gun? To kill. And it is against God’s commands to kill. So who needs guns??
Police officers need guns. Banning guns only makes the innocent defensless against violent criminals since they will end up getting a gun anyway or just find some other weapon to use. There weren’t any guns around when Cain killed Abel. There may not have even been any swords around that time either.

I wouldn’t say it’s a sin to own a gun. If you were going to shoot innocent people then THAT would be a sin. Frankly the only people who should be forbidden to own a gun are violent criminals. As far as I am concerned, what James Holmes did only gives me the more reason to own a gun.
 
Reagan was surrounded by multiple Secret Service agents who were far better trained than the typical concealed-carry civilian would be, and who were focused on identifying potential threats in a way that a civilian probably would not be, yet he and others still got shot. I’m just suggesting that, realistically, unless you’re going to conduct yourself on the street like you’re a soldier on patrol in Afghanistan, you may be overestimating the protection that a firearm will provide against a criminal who will typically have the element of surprise on his side.
The point being (if you misted it) was even if you have the means to be in a nicer place does not mean you will meet nicer people then those in the 'hood. :)😛
 
The point being (if you misted it) was even if you have the means to be in a nicer place does not mean you will meet nicer people then those in the 'hood. :)😛
Living in a nicer place dramatically reduces your chances of encounters with violent criminals. Sure, criminals can show up anywhere, but putting distance between youself and the threat concentration is a sound first step toward increasing your safety. The only criminal encounter you have a 100% chance of winning is the one that doesn’t happen.
 
Living in a nicer place dramatically reduces your chances of encounters with violent criminals. Sure, criminals can show up anywhere, but putting distance between youself and the threat concentration is a sound first step toward increasing your safety. The only criminal encounter you have a 100% chance of winning is the one that doesn’t happen.
That’s just like arguing with the wife! The only argument you win is the one you avoid!

BTW if a man says something in the forest and no woman hears is he still wrong?:confused:
 
That’s just like arguing with the wife! The only argument you win is the one you avoid!

BTW if a man says something in the forest and no woman hears is he still wrong?:confused:
He is right until the woman shows up;-)
 
If a guy is breaking into my house with an ax or a gun and telling me he is going to kill me and my family, I**** need a gun !

The police can’t be everywhere, and if there HAD been someone carrying a gun in the theatre when the bad guy started shooting, it all would have ended quickly.
Really, it would have ended quickly? You do know the guy had body armor, a smoke grenade, head protection, a semi-automatic weapon and the element of surprise. You tell me which person has the overwhelming advantage there.
 
Depends on whether or not he has a .50 caliber rifle on him or not. But since we are going to such extremes why not;-p
 
Depends on whether or not he has a .50 caliber rifle on him or not. But since we are going to such extremes why not;-p
5.7mm from a FN Five Seven would have done it. Same with 7.62x25 Tokarev from a $150 CZ-52.

Of course, a head shot would have done it regardless of caliber. 😉
 
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