Catholics and firearms

[oldcatholicguy]

1. I’m OK with a firearms safety class but strongly against licensing or registration.

In order to legally operate a motor vehicle you have to reach a certain age, pass a test, get a license, register the car, and buy insurance. Looking at a public safety point of view (and yes not all of what I listed is due to public safety and driving a car isn’t a right like owning a gun; but our rights can be limited due to public safety and past behavior- ex. “Fire” in a theater, felons and voting and firearms), it makes no sense to me not to require the same (save insurance) for firearms.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

UK includes Scotland which has much higher murder rates than the rest of the UK - and crime is now at its lowesr level for over 30 years (as it is in the US) Still 39 verses 9000 - I know where I would rather live!

The annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population
United States 4.96
United Kingdom 1.2
Canada 1.8
Switzerland 0.70
Mexico 21.5

The annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population
United States 2.98
United Kingdom 0.03
Canada 0.50
Switzerland 0.52
Mexico 10.0

Deleted because my wife (who is better at stats than me) pointed out my comment was incorrect.

 

[liturgyluver]

Deleted because my wife (who is better at stats than me) pointed out my comment was incorrect.

No problem - I just pray that the downward trend (in both countries) will continue.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

No problem - I just pray that the downward trend (in both countries) will continue.

Now that I can totally agree with.

 

[Mar044]

No problem - I just pray that the downward trend (in both countries) will continue.

we can all agree that japan crime rate is lower the everyone, and that’s saying something from a nation with thousands of years of war behind them.

 

[R1ch4rd]

In order to legally operate a motor vehicle you have to reach a certain age, pass a test, get a license, register the car, and buy insurance. Looking at a public safety point of view (and yes not all of what I listed is due to public safety and driving a car isn’t a right like owning a gun; but our rights can be limited due to public safety and past behavior- ex. “Fire” in a theater, felons and voting and firearms), it makes no sense to me not to require the same (save insurance) for firearms.

I’m an “old” Catholic guy too (retired) and I’ve found that opinions on guns run the full length of the spectrum. I’ll gladly listen to your opinion and even defend it with my firearm, if necessary.But I also have my own opinion and won’t change it. Must be old age stubbornness. I only own a shotgun for upland game and waterfowl. My son, on the other hand has a basement full of various weapons, but he’s a LEO. His feelings along with his fellow officers parallel mine. Most LEO’s feel registration is useless. That could be material for a whole new thread.

God Bless!

 

[TurboLover336]

saved me the trouble, if you live in a area where police can’t come fast enough or has wild animals…have a gun, if you like hunting to feed your family, have a gun, if you have 9000 rounds of Armour piercing ammo, and full automatic PRK heavy machine gun in downtown new york or LA…not ok…

depends on exactly what part of LA NY or Chicago your in at the time … some parts make belt feed a good idea

 

[april32010]

2316 The production and the sale of arms affect the common good of nations and of the international community. Hence public authorities have the right and duty to regulate them. The short-term pursuit of private or collective interests cannot legitimate undertakings that promote violence and conflict among nations and compromise the international juridical order. (1906)

1909 Finally, the common good requires peace, that is, the stability and security of a just order. It presupposes that authority should ensure by morally acceptable means the security of society and its members. It is the basis of the right to legitimate personal and collective defence.

this a question that has vexed me since i came into the church,the teaching of the church( to me at least) isn’t that clear.

 

[jwinch2]

this a question that has vexed me since i came into the church,the teaching of the church( to me at least) isn’t that clear.

Agreed, to a point. I think this is more of an issue of the writing of the CCC not being clear in many places, rather than the teaching being unclear. The state has, as one of its main obligations the duty to provide a safe and secure society. However, this does not take away the right and the duty of the individual to provide the same for his or her family and other innocents.

Just as with social justice, the primary responsibility of the state to do something, does not mean that the state has the primary responsibility.

 

[TheDoors]

then how are they killing eachother there?
fact is they have them … illegally obtained of course, but the guns they stole dont seem to mind

You ever see a man with his head stove in by a bat? Or stabbed? It’s not pretty.

In addition they’re known for setting people on fire, choking with wire and beating with lengths of bicycle chain. Folks were killing each other long before gunpowder, and taking guns away from lawful citizens doesn’t help.

 

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