Catholics and Libertarianism

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Most people are either Fiscal Liberals or Conservatives, AND either Social Liberals or Conservatives. Which group has what traits, the MOST JUSTICE, and the best chance to create stronger people, given the refusal of the elites in power to change?

Fiscal Liberals & Social Liberals: “It’s My choice of behaviors, but I expect the tax base to be forced to pay for the results of my free will choices.” = creates weaker, hedonistic people who think others should pay, low level of Justice since there are less financial consequences for the choosers. It’s easy for intelligent people to see how they are screwing themselves, but they keep insisting others should pay.

Fiscal Liberals & Social Conservatives: “I’m avoiding the liberal behaviors that lead to the dependency that affects so many weaker people, but because I was raised with strong moral values, I’m well off morally and financially, and I love the media content too much to stop giving them my money, I’ll just keep voting to throw the poor a financial bone so they stay away from my safe neighborhood, as the social fabric slowly deteriorates. Kick the can down the road. All my life I’ve believed in ‘give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man how to fish and he eats for a lifetime,’ but it’s easier to raise taxes than give up the media content that I love so much.” As the stronger self-sufficient social conservatives die off, the society gets weaker, Justice is neutral since social conservatives would rather pay more taxes rather than teach the weak to be successful social conservatives.

Fiscal Conservatives & Social Liberals: “They should be free to choose whatever behavior they want, but don’t expect me to pay for it, because it wouldn’t be Justice.” This is closer to Libertarianism, allowing social freedoms while forcing financial responsibility for own free will choices, creates stronger peole due to forced financial responsibility and feedback loop for choices.

Fiscal Conservatives & Social Conservatives: “I can see how Social Conservatism creates stronger, more self-sufficient families (and, by extension, local communities), so I should keep more of what I make due to the extreme effort and sacrifices for our individual family as well as the fact that decades of dreams and good intentions by social Liberals have Failed to create less dependency. If my neighbors do the same, we’ll have a great community.”
 
These are all modern taxonomies and modern categories of thought. Stop thinking in terms of them; they are sure to frustrate rational thought on any issues.
 
Fiscal Conservatives & Social Conservatives.
Naturally, this group would produce the strongest, least dependent people. That’s why I can’t understand why so many good people keep voting for the opposite: Fiscal Liberals and Social Liberals. It’s like a stubborn dream they play over and over inside their minds, but inside their own minds is the only place it’s working, because it sure doesn’t work in Real life! The Deceivers keep leading people down this path in the name of good will and people keep following.
 
I don’t think these categories are all that clear cut.

For example, let’s say that someone supports an even greater crackdown in “the war on drugs.” Is that defined as “socially conservative”? But to do so, it would require truly massive amounts of government money… so doesn’t that violate the “fiscally conservative” part of being a social & fiscal conservative? Same for traditional war (e.g., the U.S. has military bases in 100+ countries around the world… does that count as being “fiscally liberal” or not? If not, why not?)

I am a libertarian, so if you really want to jam me in one of those categories it’s probably fiscally conservative and socially liberal, but it’s more complicated than that. For example, “socially liberal” would seem to imply apathy towards abortion or support of legalized same sex marriage, neither of which would be accurate descriptors for me.
 
I don’t think these categories are all that clear cut.

For example, let’s say that someone supports an even greater crackdown in “the war on drugs.” Is that defined as “socially conservative”? But to do so, it would require truly massive amounts of government money… so doesn’t that violate the “fiscally conservative” part of being a social & fiscal conservative? Same for traditional war (e.g., the U.S. has military bases in 100+ countries around the world… does that count as being “fiscally liberal” or not? If not, why not?)

I am a libertarian, so if you really want to jam me in one of those categories it’s probably fiscally conservative and socially liberal, but it’s more complicated than that. For example, “socially liberal” would seem to imply apathy towards abortion or support of legalized same sex marriage, neither of which would be accurate descriptors for me.
Humans seek pleasure and seek to avoid pain. We want others to avoid the pain of making bad decisions, so instead we deflect their pain by voting to inflict financial pain on innocent people to make up for it instead of just forcing people to be more responsible for their own free will. The responsible use of blank is not the problem. The irresponsible use of blank is the problem. Fill in the blank.

The war on drugs is really a war on foolish irresponsibility that mames others. As with so many other aspects of life, responsible behavior is not the problem.

Regarding the military, the elites are calling the shots, so not quite sure that our opinion matters. The minimum amount of force to get the job done would get my vote.
 
I am a libertarian, so if you really want to jam me in one of those categories it’s probably fiscally conservative and socially liberal, but it’s more complicated than that. For example, “socially liberal” would seem to imply apathy towards abortion or support of legalized same sex marriage, neither of which would be accurate descriptors for me.
I agree, it’s all more complicated than we’d like it to be. I consider myself fiscally conservative and socially conservative, and politically libertarian.
 
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