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This is not what I said. Far from it. If it truly be His will that all should come to Him, He should “bother” because we cannot do it ourselves. Why should He save me? He shouldn’t. I am wicked and have done nothing to deserve his grace, His salvation, which is a gift. Even my faith is a gift from Him.

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Sorry I can see the difference I related into my response from what you said, however I’m still not sure I’d have the courage to tell him he shouldn’t, even with the explanation that it’s because I’m not worthy, most likely because I know how wretched I am.

I do understand what you are saying though.
 
I guess it just seems strange that many Catholics now receive the Eucharist a good 6 or 7 years before they are actually confirmed and sealed with the Holy Spirit, which I think you may be saying is different then receiving it originally. It’s all a bit confusing.
 
Actually, I think that would be wonderful. One of my concerns is the delay about who and when baptized Christians can receive Our Lord. I just find it hard to understand why Jesus would have wanted such a delay, sometimes a year or more even for adults, and do not believe in the Early Church that it would have existed.
 
I have know Idea what I will say or do. To stand before the thrown of glory, To be in the presence of the Creator of all things, If I was not already dead I am sure I would be then, the mere magisty of it would more than likely overwelm me and that would be that.

Now the first thing that popped into my head was the song by Mercy Me,

“I can only Imagine”

I can only imagine
What it will be like
When I walk
By your side

I can only imagine
What my eyes will see
When your face
Is before me
I can only imagine

I can only imagine

[Chorus:]
Surrounded by Your glory, what will my heart feel
Will I dance for you Jesus or in awe of you be still
Will I stand in your presence or to my knees will I
fall
Will I sing hallelujah, will I be able to speak at all
I can only imagine

I can only imagine

I can only imagine
When that day comes
When I find myself
Standing in the Son
[From: I CAN ONLY IMAGINE Lyrics - MERCYME | eLyrics.net ]

I can only imagine
When all I will do
Is forever
Forever worship You
I can only imagine

I can only imagine

Surrounded by Your glory, what will my heart feel
Will I dance for you Jesus or in awe of you be still
Will I stand in your presence or to my knees will I
fall
Will I sing hallelujah, will I be able to speak at all
I can only imagine

I can only imagine

I can only imagine

I can only imagine
When all I will do
Is forever, forever worship you

I can only imagine

I can only Imagine
 
Why would you have to wait for Confirmation to receive the Holy Spirit?
I don’t have to wait. But confirmation is the strengthening of the Holy Spirit as experienced by the Apostles at Pentecost.

The spirit is present in all humanity so I could have said

At my conception when God breathed into me my eternal soul.

Or Baptism when I became a child of God

Or Eucharist when I receive the Gift of the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ

Or Reconciliation when I am renewed and strengthened in my unity with God through the Holy Spirit.

But I chose Confirmation for it is the Sacrament of the Holy Spirit, the sacrament completely centered around the reception of the 3rd Person of the Trinity.
 
Hmmmm first I would honestly be shocked. Since I’m not psychic I would have to ask “Which God are you?” Hoping its not some Babylonian Nightmare. Upon learning it is the “Christian God” think to myself, god who founded his religion on genocide, slavery and rape and then topped it off with the arranged brutal slaying of his son… I’m sooo dead :(.

After He asks the question I would probably say “Well now that I have evidence of your existence, I have no problem believing in you and it is nice to meet your acquittance. You don’t have to judge me on my acts, I already failed the faith requirement so go ahead and send me to hell. I know I do not make the requirements of heaven” I’m sure he would still show me the full extant of my evils, which I would accept as my fault instead of pushing it off on his poor son to suffer more for his fathers endless thirst for justice for the code he wrote. After learning a few things I’m sure I would not know are sins today, like crossing the street on Saturday. I would then have to say to him, “So let me get this straight your majesty. You are judging my temporal actions as a very limited human who lacks most if not all of the information on the universe that you purposely hid from me, from the point of view of an omnipotent, all knowing being and its an eternal sentence?” :confused: Shortly after I find myself falling to hell wondering why God only cares what I do for him at that point and not others I’ve helped and loved. Upon landing hard, I am greeted by flames and meet the antigod which to my pleasant surprise is very personable who informs me “Yea, its suffering here, but we all try to help each other to lessen it, regardless of our differences. Also could you take care of an unbaptized child?” Later I would look up to heaven and see the people mindless following a leader who has replaced there will with his will, a will that seems to be self centered love. As I look back down to my surroundings I whisper “Well this is a pleasant surprise.” My new child is in my arms and has finally fallen asleep after crying all night, my hands sore from labor as I wait for my love to come. A shared love of not so perfect beings who cant always agree, hell for some heaven to others.
 
So your answer is that you won’t need to answer to God and that it’s your Works of Mercy that will have you seated on his right with the rest of the sheep.

So if you’ve committed a mortal sin, just before death, that won’t matter etc. or you’d just end up with the Goats?

I’ll rephrase my question. If you HAD to answer God say HE singles you out when He’s seperating the Goats from the Sheep, what would you say?
No, I don’t think committing a mortal sin right before death would matter much. I think the point is that no one deserves heaven and we can’t be our own judge–it’s totally out of our hands, so I wouldn’t have anything TO say, I don’t think.
 
I have know Idea what I will say or do. To stand before the thrown of glory, To be in the presence of the Creator of all things, If I was not already dead I am sure I would be then, the mere magisty of it would more than likely overwelm me and that would be that.

Now the first thing that popped into my head was the song by Mercy Me,

“I can only Imagine”

I can only imagine
What it will be like
When I walk
By your side

I can only imagine
What my eyes will see
When your face
Is before me
I can only imagine

I can only imagine

[Chorus:]
Surrounded by Your glory, what will my heart feel
Will I dance for you Jesus or in awe of you be still
Will I stand in your presence or to my knees will I
fall
Will I sing hallelujah, will I be able to speak at all
I can only imagine

I can only imagine

I can only imagine
When that day comes
When I find myself
Standing in the Son
[From: I CAN ONLY IMAGINE Lyrics - MERCYME | eLyrics.net
]

I can only imagine
When all I will do
Is forever
Forever worship You
I can only imagine

I can only imagine

Surrounded by Your glory, what will my heart feel
Will I dance for you Jesus or in awe of you be still
Will I stand in your presence or to my knees will I
fall
Will I sing hallelujah, will I be able to speak at all
I can only imagine

I can only imagine

I can only imagine

I can only imagine
When all I will do
Is forever, forever worship you

I can only imagine

I can only Imagine

Isn’t that certainly the truth. We can only imagine.
 
=Ursus_luteolus;7911599]Hmmmm first I would honestly be shocked. Since I’m not psychic I would have to ask “Which God are you?” Hoping its not some Babylonian Nightmare. Upon learning it is the “Christian God” think to myself, god who founded his religion on genocide, slavery and rape and then topped it off with the arranged brutal slaying of his son… I’m sooo dead :(.
You really feel that is how God started things? How sad. Have you read Genesis. God started everything by giving it all to us and walked with man The only thing he said was do not eat from that one tree, We could not even do that much. The genocide you speak of was either done by those who rejected God, or to them because of their total rejection and debotchury.
After He asks the question I would probably say "Well now that I have evidence of your existence, I have no problem believing in you and it is nice to meet your acquittance. You don’t have to judge me on my acts, I already failed the faith requirement so go ahead and send me to hell.
See hear again you are projecting, god is not sending you to Hell you are choosing it by refusing to believe.
I know I do not make the requirements of heaven" I’m sure he would still show me the full extant of my evils, which I would accept as my fault instead of pushing it off on his poor son to suffer more for his fathers endless thirst for justice for the code he wrote.
Since Chirst is also God He choose to accept your sins upon himself. He choosse to sacrifice Himself for you, Not to satisfy some arbatrary thrist for blood. He did so to show you what the outcome of sin is and lead you back to Him.
After learning a few things I’m sure I would not know are sins today, like crossing the street on Saturday. I would then have to say to him, “So let me get this straight your majesty. You are judging my temporal actions as a very limited human who lacks most if not all of the information on the universe that you purposely hid from me, from the point of view of an omnipotent, all knowing being and its an eternal sentence?” :confused: Shortly after I find myself falling to hell wondering why God only cares what I do for him at that point and not others I’ve helped and loved.
So it is God’s falt that you do not bother to learn what needs to be done and what to avoid?
Its not that hard

Love god with all the heart, soul, strenght, and mind and Love thy neighbor as thy self.
Upon landing hard, I am greeted by flames and meet the antigod which to my pleasant surprise is very personable who informs me “Yea, its suffering here, but we all try to help each other to lessen it, regardless of our differences. Also could you take care of an unbaptized child?”
YOu really see that the Devil will be a pleasant person to deal with? And why would you place a unbatized child in Hell? Also even if the child was there do you real think that satan would care if it was looked after?
Later I would look up to heaven and see the people mindless following a leader who has replaced there will with his will, a will that seems to be self centered love. As I look back down to my surroundings I whisper “Well this is a pleasant surprise.” My new child is in my arms and has finally fallen asleep after crying all night, my hands sore from labor as I wait for my love to come. A shared love of not so perfect beings who cant always agree, hell for some heaven to others.
Someone has really pulled a number on you to twist your views to such an extint that you could even begin to see things this way. May the Lord have mercy on you.
 
Why would you have to wait for Confirmation to receive the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit works in the lives of all who have been baptized and Christians…
Ahh. I found what I was looking for in this Sundays readings:

Acts 8:14++
Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
 
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