"Catholics" and the right to choose?

[patricia_connel]

I am a practicing Catholic and I am pro-life. Last year, I participated in the Walk For Life in Washington, DC. I voted for Obama for I just couldn’t vote for McCain and Palin. There are 9 Supreme Court Justices- 7 were appointed by a Republican; that leaves 2 appointed by a Democrat. Sandra Day O’Connor was also appointed by a Republican. We still have abortion. So, to me, the abortion issue, is used every election by Republicans. Then those who are conservative Democrats Catholics have to endure judgment by others who are voting on one issue. I believe that Pro-Life is more than one issue, abortion (which is murder). But isn’t war murder? A war that never had to be. Our country is a mess in every aspect and this came about after 8 years of Republican rule. Isn’t torture Murder? I actually went to confession and confessed that I voted Democratic and my priest told me that I didn’t commit a sin. To have abortion overturned will require more than Supreme Court Justices. It will require Americans to Walk For Life, to write their Representatives, to Demand it. I’m sorry, but do not judge me for that is only done by Christ. I am a good Catholic who happens to be a Democrat. to run our country, could get my vote.

 

[TracyJ]

Obama murders children. You voted for him with full knowledge of his intentions. There is blood on your hands. May God have mercy on your soul.

Obama does not murder children. I think that he is struggling with the abortion question.

I voted for him because he was the best choice that I’ve had in a long time.
For me, abortion is wrong because there is a life there that did nothing wrong and that
deserves to live.
Another woman may see it differently and her thoughts must be considered.

On one hand, I think that abortions are too easy to get, on the other hand I don’t want a woman dying at the hands of a backalley abortionists.

This is a complex issue because TWO people are involved…if it were ONLY the baby we
wouldn’t have these discussions because most people love babies and don’t want them
hurt.

In the meantime, I wish that people would caution their boys as well as their girls
about the value of life. I know of one case where the woman wanted to “get rid of it” and
was persuaded by the boy to have the child…I’m VERY proud of that boy!

 

[TracyJ]

I am a practicing Catholic and I am pro-life. Last year, I participated in the Walk For Life in Washington, DC. I voted for Obama for I just couldn’t vote for McCain and Palin. There are 9 Supreme Court Justices- 7 were appointed by a Republican; that leaves 2 appointed by a Democrat. Sandra Day O’Connor was also appointed by a Republican. We still have abortion. So, to me, the abortion issue, is used every election by Republicans. Then those who are conservative Democrats Catholics have to endure judgment by others who are voting on one issue. I believe that Pro-Life is more than one issue, abortion (which is murder). But isn’t war murder? A war that never had to be. Our country is a mess in every aspect and this came about after 8 years of Republican rule. Isn’t torture Murder? I actually went to confession and confessed that I voted Democratic and my priest told me that I didn’t commit a sin. To have abortion overturned will require more than Supreme Court Justices. It will require Americans to Walk For Life, to write their Representatives, to Demand it. I’m sorry, but do not judge me for that is only done by Christ. I am a good Catholic who happens to be a Democrat. to run our country, could get my vote.

I think that abortions should be safe and legal, but we must never forget that a life
is being taken when an abortion occurs.
There are people who believe that abortion is perfectly okay, just as there are people
who believe that torture is perfectly okay.
We have botched this issue for years because we blamed the woman and let the man
get off scot free.
I understood why Obama thought that a baby was punishment for a girl who made a mistake. He’s VERY protective of his girls.

 

[fix]

I am a practicing Catholic and I am pro-life. Last year, I participated in the Walk For Life in Washington, DC. I voted for Obama for I just couldn’t vote for McCain and Palin. There are 9 Supreme Court Justices- 7 were appointed by a Republican; that leaves 2 appointed by a Democrat. Sandra Day O’Connor was also appointed by a Republican. We still have abortion. So, to me, the abortion issue, is used every election by Republicans. Then those who are conservative Democrats Catholics have to endure judgment by others who are voting on one issue. I believe that Pro-Life is more than one issue, abortion (which is murder). But isn’t war murder? A war that never had to be. Our country is a mess in every aspect and this came about after 8 years of Republican rule. Isn’t torture Murder? I actually went to confession and confessed that I voted Democratic and my priest told me that I didn’t commit a sin. To have abortion overturned will require more than Supreme Court Justices. It will require Americans to Walk For Life, to write their Representatives, to Demand it. I’m sorry, but do not judge me for that is only done by Christ. I am a good Catholic who happens to be a Democrat. to run our country, could get my vote.

How many pro life justices has any democrat president appointed?

 

[fix]

I think that abortions should be safe and legal, but we must never forget that a life
is being taken when an abortion occurs.
There are people who believe that abortion is perfectly okay, just as there are people
who believe that torture is perfectly okay.
We have botched this issue for years because we blamed the woman and let the man
get off scot free.
I understood why Obama thought that a baby was punishment for a girl who made a mistake. He’s VERY protective of his girls.

If a life is taken why should it be legal? When is it “safe” for the baby?

How is it being “protective” to teach children that babies are a punishment?

 

[TracyJ]

If a life is taken why should it be legal? When is it “safe” for the baby?

How is it being “protective” to teach children that babies are a punishment?

Because there are TWO lives to consider when you’re talking about abortion.
The needs of the mother are certainly equal to the needs of the child.

As to what Obama said-that was a spontaneous remark that shows that he values
his girls and doesn’t want them hurt.
I never said what he was teaching them, just that he doesn’t want them saddled with a child
when they are too young to deal with one.
HOWEVER, because of the way that society and even Church members have
treated unwed mothers in the past it’s reasonable to believe that there are still people
who feel that children are a punishment to women who are not chaste.
Because of DNA the errant fathers no longer can deny parenthood and to me, that’s a good thing.

 

[TracyJ]

How many pro life justices has any democrat president appointed?

Well, no Republican has been able to stop abortion on demand, nor would they if they could because most Americans, while deploring abortion, are still pro-choice.

They say one thing during the elections but forget about it when they are elected.
I’m reading a book right now about SCOTUS, and I think that whomever appointed Scalia
made a huge mistake.
Scalia, when asked why he did not allow all the votes in Florida to be counted said “get over it!” To me, that says that he KNOWS that he made a huge mistake and he can’t
justify it.
I was shocked that Alito was okayed.
Roberts seems to be a decent guy, so far he hasn’t done anything that’s ticked me off.
When you consider that Bush was the president during an unwanted expensive war and the president during the era of Americans torturing other humans, the notion that he was
pro-life wears thin.

 

[patricia_connel]

How many pro life justices has any democrat president appointed?

No present or past justice has ever taken the position that the unborn child is, or should be regarded as, a “person” as understood in the Fourteenth Amendment, including the late Justice White, perhaps the most eloquent critic of Roe v. Wade. And in the Carhart case, the Court refused even to consider Nebraska’s argument that a partially born child is a constitutional person. That question was rejected for review without dissent. So much for the naive notion of “forcing” the Court to take on the personhood issue.

I took this passage from a Catholic Newspaper (found it online). It was a recent article, about Judge Scalia, a Catholic appointed by Regan. Judge Scalia is pro-choice. Abortion is not going to overturned by the Supreme Court; it will overturned by a change in our society. We need to write letters, get signatures on petitions and do the Walk in January and storm Capitol Hill.

 

[tm30]

No present or past justice has ever taken the position that the unborn child is, or should be regarded as, a “person” as understood in the Fourteenth Amendment, including the late Justice White, perhaps the most eloquent critic of Roe v. Wade. And in the Carhart case, the Court refused even to consider Nebraska’s argument that a partially born child is a constitutional person. That question was rejected for review without dissent. So much for the naive notion of “forcing” the Court to take on the personhood issue.

I took this passage from a Catholic Newspaper (found it online). It was a recent article, about Judge Scalia, a Catholic appointed by Regan. Judge Scalia is pro-choice. Abortion is not going to overturned by the Supreme Court; it will overturned by a change in our society. We need to write letters, get signatures on petitions and do the Walk in January and storm Capitol Hill. But I am shocked by most of the comments on this question for you all sound like a bunch of self-rightous, sinless, perfect, Pharisees throwing stones at anyone who actually has a different point of view. I am now leaving this site. So don’t bother sending me a reply telling me that my soul has now been sent to hell.

See ya!

 

[Ockham]

I think that abortions should be safe and legal, but we must never forget that a life
is being taken when an abortion occurs.

That’s the most astounding thing I’ve read here. You admit that a life is being taken yet think the practice should be safe and legal. Are there other applications for this doctrine?

It seems too many Americans have been caught up in the political polemics of this issue. Give to Ceasar what is his, but this issue is above Democrat vs Republican. The history books won’t care what party was in power. They will wonder how a seemingly civilized society permitted the state sanctioned slaughter of millions of innocent human beings.

Obama is enjoying a high approval rating from some, but please don’t get caught up in a cult of personality. Obama does kill children - check his voting record in Illinois. The times he didn’t vote “Present” he was voting for abortion. As President, he will force doctors to perform them even against their conscience. He also is against protecting the survivors of abortion so that defeats the old “woman’s body” position.

As Catholic voters you should be inclined to support Catholic doctrine. If that’s not possible then you still have an obligation to protect the innocent and defend against evil. Please take some time to review your political position on this issue and rise above polemics or personality.

williamgairdner.com/abortion-and-slavery/

abortionviolence.com/

lifenews.com/

jillstanek.com/

lifesitenews.com/

If Jane Roe’s faith brought her to the Church and the pro-life position, then it should be easy for all Catholics to defend life to the best of their abilities.

youtube.com/watch?v=T_MUUvcvjEg

 

[tm30]

I think that abortion should be safe and legal, but we must never forget that a life
is being taken when an abortion occurs.
There are people who believe that abortion is perfectly okay, just as there are people
who believe that torture is perfectly okay.
We have botched this issue for years because we blamed the woman and let the man
get off scot free.
I understood why Obama thought that a baby was punishment for a girl who made a mistake. He’s VERY protective of his girls.

I think that slavery should be safe and legal, but we should never forget that someone’s civil rights are being violated when enslavement occurs.
There are people who believe that slavery is perfectly okay, just as there are people who believe that piracy is okay.
We have botched this issue for years because we blamed the plantation owner and let the Confederate governors get off scott free.
I understood why Stonewall Jackson thought emancipation was punishment for a state who made a mistake. He’s VERY protective of his citizens.

 

[tm30]

As I just posted in another thread, it surprises me that certain Americans are able to see Obama only with reference to his attitude toward “pro choice”. Surely his short but excellent record as our President is more multidimensional than that? I would hate, in my own life, to be judged on one issue.

We really need to stop demonizing Herod, while we’re at it. If you take away the slaughter of the Innocents, he was probably excellent at dinner conversation.

It also seems to me that it’s easier for some people to turn all their aggression and frustration down one avenue, with the result being a sort of self-righteousness. What’s that biblical quote about self satisfaction?

Alisa

The Egyptians used to sacrfice their children to Moloch, a demon who they believed would eat their babies and give them immortal life. God had no trouble turning all His aggression and frustration down that avenue (see Exodus). Since the murder of infants is arguably the most evil act known to mankind, I’m pretty confident I can intellectually assail the pro-choice system of reasoning without fear of being “self righteous”.

 

[tm30]

Because of DNA the errant fathers no longer can deny parenthood and to me, that’s a good thing.

Then you must believe that the father should have the right to veto a woman’s choice to abort, correct?

 

[fix]

No present or past justice has ever taken the position that the unborn child is, or should be regarded as, a “person” as understood in the Fourteenth Amendment, including the late Justice White, perhaps the most eloquent critic of Roe v. Wade. And in the Carhart case, the Court refused even to consider Nebraska’s argument that a partially born child is a constitutional person. That question was rejected for review without dissent. So much for the naive notion of “forcing” the Court to take on the personhood issue.

I took this passage from a Catholic Newspaper (found it online). It was a recent article, about Judge Scalia, a Catholic appointed by Regan. Judge Scalia is pro-choice. Abortion is not going to overturned by the Supreme Court; it will overturned by a change in our society. We need to write letters, get signatures on petitions and do the Walk in January and storm Capitol Hill.

I am not a member of either party, but I have to tell you that one party is much worse on life issues. The notion that a hard left, pro abort, president is just as bad as a more moderate one in terms of appointments really seems confused.

 

[fix]

Well, no Republican has been able to stop abortion on demand, nor would they if they could because most Americans, while deploring abortion, are still pro-choice.

So, a hard left pro abortion is better?

They say one thing during the elections but forget about it when they are elected.
I’m reading a book right now about SCOTUS, and I think that whomever appointed Scalia
made a huge mistake.
Scalia, when asked why he did not allow all the votes in Florida to be counted said “get over it!” To me, that says that he KNOWS that he made a huge mistake and he can’t
justify it.
I was shocked that Alito was okayed.
Roberts seems to be a decent guy, so far he hasn’t done anything that’s ticked me off.
When you consider that Bush was the president during an unwanted expensive war and the president during the era of Americans torturing other humans, the notion that he was
pro-life wears thin.

I see, so we need more hard left judges. That should help.

 

[fix]

Because there are TWO lives to consider when you’re talking about abortion.
The needs of the mother are certainly equal to the needs of the child.

Sure, does that mean the one gets to kill the other?

As to what Obama said-that was a spontaneous remark that shows that he values

Inded, it shows his “values” very well.

his girls and doesn’t want them hurt.
I never said what he was teaching them, just that he doesn’t want them saddled with a child

What does such a remark teach?

when they are too young to deal with one.
HOWEVER, because of the way that society and even Church members have
treated unwed mothers in the past it’s reasonable to believe that there are still people
who feel that children are a punishment to women who are not chaste.

It shows how he thinks of fellow humans.

Because of DNA the errant fathers no longer can deny parenthood and to me, that’s a good thing.

Huh?

 

[mapleoak]

I think that abortions should be safe and legal,

Why should brutally dismembering someone or burning them in brine till they die be “safe” and legal?

but we must never forget that a life is being taken when an abortion occurs.

So we must never forget that we are taking a human life when we kill someone? As long as we keep this in mind it is okay?

 

[Alisa]

I liked your comments, Patricia Connel. They are the most sensitive sincere, and also the most intelligent, I’ve heard in this thread and others.

Alisa

 

[mapleoak]

Because there are TWO lives to consider when you’re talking about abortion.
The needs of the mother are certainly equal to the needs of the child.

So equal that the child can be smothered out? Just like “Animal Farm”? Some are ‘more equal’ than others?

 

[fix]

I liked your comments, Patricia Connel. They are the most sensitive sincere, and also the most intelligent, I’ve heard in this thread and others.

I began contributing to threads on Catholic Answers, hoping to find enlightenment and an interesting give-and-take in discussions. However, I’ve heard nothing but bigotry, narrow-mindedness from most, and judging. My faith and morals have even been questioned, even though in fact I am anti-abortion and have spent most of my life raising good Catholic children and grandchildren.

If we can’t discuss calmly and with respect for one another’s lives, then Catholic Answers appears not to be the forum for me!

Alisa

Alisa,

May I ask you why you may judge, but not others?